FOR DEVS: Critical Problems and Suggestions!!!!

  • Ahoy,

    i know that may others also wrote about the following Problems / suggestions. but i dont have the time to read all the Posts. So first i just wanted to speak about the following Problems:

    1.) Sloops & Team Problem
    if you Play with friends it is wonderful. but if you Play with random Groups it is 99% horrible. 30% are doing nothing and 20% are total noobs, 10% are good ones and the other 40% are TROLLS. And there the big Problem starts. you cant do anything against trolls due it is not possible to kick them out. they anchor ships middle of water or just drop all your loot in water or just stealing your ship and sink it. thats not how random Teams should be. each 2-3 round i get a troll that sinks my ship or destroy all the work and i cant do anything against him! yours Need to think about this (hardly). Trolls destroy the whole teamplay.

    2.) Solo Play, Ship missing...
    Yeh, as the Topic says the Sloop is more designed for 2 Players. yours Need to make a singleplayer ship! is very hard to handle and survive with a Sloop. for me ist not a big deal but i am driving boats in real life! and even for me it is very stressy to handle the Sloop, Elements, map and enemys same time. it is not real fun, just pure stress! so please think about a singleplayer ship. this would make the gameplay more interesting.

    3.) To hard Missions for to less Gold
    i mostly run the skull missions or chest missions. the animal collecting ones are totaly boring. but at all, the Gold you get for the Missions is not much. For Singeplayer it is a Long timewaste for some Gold. Yours Need to think about how to give this more sense and fun. the Prices in the Shops are very high and the effort you get is realy low. for me it is okay due i have much time to Play. but to buy a ship design or to get some other Gimmicks you Need to waste many many days with grinding. So the fun Level is realy low, ist more hardcore working. May give 30% more Gold for Missions, then it would make more fun. (but even more Content / possible Missions are needed!)

    4.) Overpriced Shop / not much to do!
    yeh like in the last Point, ist to expansive, there is no fun with endless grinding.
    i know yours may have not much items in store and so you wanna Keep the Little amount yours have "rare". but for Players this isnt funny and even not a big Adventure, just boring! There should be even much mor Ship Modifications but also small Things with lower Prices. (Cosmetical). There are only mods for rich ppl ;)

    5.) The horrible Price of this Game!
    the game idea is awesome but the Price is to high.
    € 70 for a game that isnt finish in any way is a way to much!
    i would take € 49 (MAX) for this game, best Price € 39.
    then more People would Play it and Team Building would get more easy.

    6.) Grapple the Ship!
    i miss a Grapple Function in the PVP Moments.
    Ist horrible to Orbit 30 Minutes a Ship to get it down.
    Sometimes this is more " catch me if you can " then fighting.
    A Grapple Function would make Pirate Life so much easyer!

    7.) Better Team-UP System
    teaming up with friends is horrible!
    thats also why yours will never have as much sucess with this game.
    yours Need to think about a more easy System like steam is using.
    also if i start a game i cant invite a friend to a active session. (only with the bad xbox app)
    For PC Players this is totaly c****y and there are many ways to improove this. yours Need to think about a more easy System to invite / manage friends and as a captain of a ship you should have more rights to choose the Crew and give them different Jobs (cannon, repair, spy etc.)

    8.) EXP for Ship Kills / Player Kills / NPC Kills
    use the EXP for a PVP Ranking (even for finding good Crews in Random Groups). Then there would be even one more Thing you can collect. Ranking would give the whole Thing much more sense. Or find a other way to give honor for Things like that!

    HORRIBLE BUGS:
    A.) Only one Weapon to choose (you Need to die once to get it back working)
    B.) Sometimes endless loading while buying a Mission (counting Money...)
    C.) Sometimes Chests of a Mission dissapear (it's Magic...)
    D.) Ingame Voice Chat broken for most Players

    Ill hope some of the Rare Crew will read this.
    Keep your work with this game, it's a great idea, just Need to be finished :)

    Greetings,
    JackyTheCaptain

    UPDATE (in front of the troll Topic):
    It is about a Group Founder / Leader Thing, but due it is a Pirate Game it is better to call it "Captain". But well, for now we call it "GL (Group Leader)".
    The GL starts a Game Session and a second Person joins.
    This Person would get Basic Roles (Cannons, Repair by example) automaticly.
    So from the start on he can do something to Support the Group.
    Then the GL can decide if he wanna be on Deck or the Driver or if he gives all Roles to the second Member of the Fleet / Group. Well, now he got the Roles and starting to Anchor / Move the Ship against Rocks. The GL is now able to instantly kick the Player or removing the Roles to avoid more Damage to the Group / Fleet. Thats it! Easy way to avoid trolls....
    And now if the GL (Captain) is the troll is not that big deal, just search a better Fleet. Even in Real Life or other Games you cant say "you are a bad Leader, leave your own Ship, i make the Fleet/Grp now", thats abnormal!
    To optimize this there should be a Option to choose on the Group Finder. Just hit "join a existing Group" or "create own Fleet/Group". So each one can decide the Way he wanna go. With a Ranking System People also could see how good the GL of the Fleet/Group is. This would improove the whole System much more.

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  • @rexasche3561183
    I answer by points:
    1: I agree, but all matchmaking are this way unfortunately.
    2: Yeah sloop alone is hard to use, but with some practice it can be done. Yesterday for example I, alone, have sunk a galleon and a sloop (their shortcomings probably, but I am not a champion).
    3: Yeah this is true, but the reward is random.
    4: Well yes but they have give you some reason to grind. But some less price cosmetic would be appreciated.
    5: As said in other posts, the price is a useless point to argue, this game can be played for free, for 10€ or for 70€. But this is your choice.
    6: Well grapple would not let you escape, you can always have the possibility to run away.
    7: I think there are some solution, discord for example.
    8: Agreed Exp for ship / player kills

  • @altair920
    Yeh but in each other game you can kick People for beeing a troll. But in the 2 Player Mode you cant do anything. Captain (Founder of the Session) should be like a Admin and able to kick Randoms that join the Ship. It cant be that you have now Power as a Captain about who is on Board! Ist just simple Option but makes the Random Gameplay much better.

    And yes it is possible to drive a Sloop alone but it makes not much fun.
    There would be no Problem to make a Singleplayer Ship to have more fun.

    Grapples wouldnt make it impossible to run away. Grapples only should work if both Ships are same Size! And then there should be a way to ungrapple for the grappled ones! But this makes sense and is also common in real life piracy :)

    And yeh i know and use Discord but the Ingame Voice should also work for the Random Groups. You cant ask all time Randoms to join up on Discord! You know that this dont work!

    BTW:
    Why my Forum Name is still my rly old one?
    I am named (XBOX App) JackTheCaptain but inside this Forum it is still my old Name -_-

  • @rexasche3561183
    Yes well that is not so easy, I mean if the Host is a Troll Captain? After one hour of loot he kick you out for no reason and you lost everything? This must be implemented very carefully.

    Sunk a galleon alone however is gratifying :D

    Grapples yes, properly implemented could be an interesting feature.

    I know I know, I am on Xbox but I played on pc in other game and this part is not quite fun

  • @altair920
    The Trolls in SOT are not playing with you 1 Hour to kick you after.
    Trolls in SOT join up your Session and Destroy it so you are forced to leave your own session! That is how they do it and with my Idea this Problem would be 99% solved!

    It would be even great if only the Captain can choose who is able to anchor / drive or command the ship! This would avoid that Random Noobs destroy your Session with crazy / lazy or stupid interactions. And this would be even like in RL. Nobody is allowed to drive instead of the Captain. So may a Choose wich Category you would like to be would be also nice. (Like: Driver, Repair / Boardman and so on...)

    Currently it is just a "chaotical gameplay" in Random Groups with no Law and no Rules. Thats kinda not working wich such dumb Ppl ;)

  • @rexasche3561183 Yeah well I mean in a manner of speaking.
    Could be more interesting implement the invite only, so if you do not want other people for some time during loot, you will not risk the trolls.

    If only the captain could do that, you loose the principles of the game --> play together
    Then, at the start point, you cannot know if the join person is a troll or not, if I enter a session where I cannot do anything?
    If in a battle you need the other guy to drive, or repair?
    It's not that simple.

  • @altair920
    well m8 you are right but same time not.
    there are many ways to make this whole Random System better.

    And if Captain have more Rights then a Random joiner then it is still fair like in Real Life. Why a Random "not known" Person should be allowed to drive my Ship instantly? If i have Personal Skins / Design and all and then a Newbie Comes and says he is the Captain now? Thats stupid and a Fun Killer! Roles for each one are okay and even common in Real Life. While beeing in Combat These Roles could be frozen or changed! Just needed to figure out a good fast way to do it. I am a Developer myself and i would have tons of ideas how to make this great!

    And even with Roles it's still "Play together", just not like a big chaotical childhood, more like a Pirate / Ocean Driving Simulation ;)

    But without Roles and Things like that it will never be a "Play together" bec. ppl are to lazy and dumb for it. You cant wait for 1 right guy with a pool of 100 idiots! Btw. with XBOX Gamers you cant Play together well. They cant (not normal) write, speak or anything (mostly), they are just anoying and fun Killers, i would vote for Change that XBOX Gamers are not able to Play with PC Gamers or the Way of Team Communication Needs to improve! XBOX Gamers mostly just slower the Gameplay for PC Gamers.

    Greets,
    JC

  • @rexasche3561183
    "Why a Random "not known" Person should be allowed to drive my Ship instantly?"
    Because you are sailing alone, in a sloop for 2 people waiting for someone random to join.
    If you want more fun obviously need a friend and not a random player.
    Practical case: I (in theory a normal person who want to play seriously :D ) join your crew and for like 10 minutes (random time) I cannot do anything than see the sea, because you are waiting to see if I fit or not. That is not right for anyone.

    For cross play, the only limit is the writing, you can speak with everyone and that is enough

    EDIT:
    Well if you hate the Xbox community it is not our problem, I played cross from Pc and Xbox speaking with others without any problems

  • @altair920
    You dont get the Point, each time you make a random Group you have a Symbol "anchor" on the Player that is the main session founder (Captain). This Player should always have the Right to kick the Random Player that joins if he make Troubles! This is just a protection against trolls and the abuse of it wouldnt be that hard like beeing jailed together with the troll. currently the founder always have to leave his own session if a troll joins! Thats not nice and could be solved like this. Each Group Game have this Functions that one Guy is the Leader, so why not in SOT? You dont get the Point ;)

    And i cant speak with most of XBOX Ppl due they dont use/have a mic!
    Btw. i dont hate the XBOX Community, it is just hard to Play with them (sometimes).

    Greetings,
    JC

  • @rexasche3561183 I probably not get your point, but you don't get the SoT point --> everyone are equal. You assume that the captain is like a god or a fantastic person, that in every case knows the better for the joined one and this is not correct. Give all power to the captain in the way you said, without due precautions, it's risky. Because, as I said, if the captain decided (or forget) to give me the power to play, I could stay and watch the sea for who knows how much.
    And of course, in the other way, as soon as you give the power (5 - 10 - 30 minutes) the joined one could destroy all your work either.
    Obviously something must be done, but not in the way you said, the captain is not the best in every case

    Then, for your xbox "issue", you cannot blame only xbox, there are the same kind of people on PC, not everyone use a mic and is hard to play with them either. This works both ways :)

  • @altair920
    yeh you rly didnt got it :)
    i explain it again for you, this time with more Details, may then you understand it!

    You "lock" your mind on the "Captain" Thing but it is not about driving or not.
    It is about a Group Founder / Leader Thing, but due it is a Pirate Game it is better to call it "Captain". But well, for now we call it "GL (Group Leader)".

    The GL starts a Game Session and a second Person joins.
    This Person would get Basic Roles (Cannons, Repair by example) automaticly.
    So from the start on he can do something to Support the Group.

    Then the GL can decide if he wanna be on Deck or the Driver or if he gives all Roles to the second Member of the Fleet / Group. Well, now he got the Roles and starting to Anchor / Move the Ship against Rocks. The GL is now able to instantly kick the Player or removing the Roles to avoid more Damage to the Group / Fleet. Thats it! Easy way to avoid trolls....

    And now if the GL (Captain) is the troll is not that big deal, just search a better Fleet. Even in Real Life or other Games you cant say "you are a bad Leader, leave your own Ship, i make the Fleet/Grp now", thats abnormal!

    To optimize this there should be a Option to choose on the Group Finder. Just hit "join a existing Group" or "create own Fleet/Group". So each one can decide the Way he wanna go. With a Ranking System People also could see how good the GL of the Fleet/Group is. This would improove the whole System much more.

    I dont get your Point, i think you may like to troll yourself and so you may dont welcome this ;) But it is a real good solution that many games are using!

    And yeh true, even PC Players dont use Mic all time but they can use the InGame Chat, XBOX Players cant use it, they Need to write you over the XBOX App or using the Basic given answeres and that is not realy helpful!

    Greetings,
    JC

  • @buck-luny
    no, myself not, if you would read the text i wrote :)
    i drive boats in real life so it's okay for me.
    but the common ppl dont like this stress and may not having much fun with it!
    Btw.: SOT plans to allow 4 Ppl on a Sloop, thats also why i think that a Single Player (one Person) Ship would be fair to be balanced with the 4 Player Sloops and Galleons

  • gonna add my 2 cents yes it does need the ability to kick by the host ot captain
    and privilages the ability to restrict but not 1 role per person just choose the roles they can do but adviced to give ppl you trust full privs or youll sacrifice effectiveness of crew but also read my post on a suggestion for a better match making involving free roam ability

  • @trans-girl1
    yeh correct, you got what i tryd to explain :) thanks

  • @buck-luny
    we will see if they still enjoy solo-Sloop as soon SOT Devs implement 4 Person Sloops ;)

  • Dont forget they wanna add MTX ontop of that pricetag...for a unfinished game.

  • @rexasche3561183 Ok, with this is more clear, in the way you said before it would seem that the captain was god and the joined had not any privilege (you wrote that). Now you said something clever, with start roles (support, etc.) and choice on the matchmaking. In this version is smart, in the previously posts was not.

    In this way is more like make a career :)

    For the Pc / Xbox, there will be always people without Mic or without the will to chat, so, in my opition, kill the cross is not usefull

  • @altair920 yeh correct! it should be more like an Career! May ill Change my Startpost to make it more clear. English isnt my main language so i am not as good in writing :)

  • @rexasche3561183 ahahah don't worry it's not mine too, probably for this it took us 20 posts to understand each other

  • @buck-luny sagte in FOR DEVS: Critical Problems and Suggestions!!!!:

    @rexasche3561183 Personally I hate the Idea but mostly because it's just a way to troll players with boarding parties and skull fort raid disruptors.
    Besides what are the other 2 people going to do while sailing, sounds borig.

    Ahm? The current troll interactions are much more frustrating! The new Trolls would be much more easy to handle with (like i wrote) Ranking/Voting System. So you can see if the Group Starter/Founder is a Troll (bad votes) or not (good votes).

    And why should it get more boring? Nothing changes, just the fact that a Joiner cant destroy the Session anymore! And it's only about the 2 Player Groups, you may didnt got that! In the 4 Player Mode you allready can votekick someone! May start reading again to understand what we are talking about :)

  • @buck-luny yeh well, then you cant speak about this Problems due you dont know them! but for random Group Players it is a real Problem!

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