Rocket league and overwatch don't have stat boosting cosmetics

@lucky-monkee said in Rocket league and overwatch don't have stat boosting cosmetics:

Cue the people who feel they should be better than a player who just started.

I agree. The main issue is that it's different, the freedom is given is overwhelming and we don't know how to graft our own stories - thanks to mainly games that have dotted the "i"'s and left us no choice(there rarely is any choice even if we feel there is).

Its not about the digging up - its the journey to there.

yea freedom to choose between 4 colors. SO MUCH FREEDOM it feels great.

Did you seriously just compare a game where you have to wonder around for an hour minimum to do anything of "value" to two games that gets you in and keeps you in the action as much as possible?

I've been curious what are these stories you hardcore defenders keep going on about. They must be endless otherwise guess what....everybody has likely experienced these stories. Because reliving the same stories over and over makes you super happy that means other players have no imagination? I doubt it but I hope you understand how little sense that makes.

I feel like a mod or two is on the verge of triggering so I'll just say I mean no aggression. Just curious.

@splatulated Those are competitive games. "Esports". They hold tournaments where money is on the line. None of that is relevant to this game.

Rocket league is an entirely different game like it has a form of progression with ranked play you get rewards for participating same goes with overwatch which also has a lot more variety sure the game modes are the same but you have different characters with many different skins.

I agree we don't need progression that makes players stronger but we need some form of progression the game in its current state offers non the factions are just a number going up with no real benefits, legendary is just the same rehashed voyages but you just get a lot of them and a mixture of them, theres very little in the way of cosmetics...Theres just nothing the game is fun but its not really going to stay fun for much longer without content were as rocket league is one of those games player can play over and over again because it has an extremely high skill cap you can see your progression through the ranks as time goes on. (Unless you are like me and gets hard stuck diamond) but never the less its different.

@ghost-0f-dawn said in Rocket league and overwatch don't have stat boosting cosmetics:

Because people have been conditioned to carrot-on-a-stick power-progression addiction instead of actually being able to enjoy a game for the mechanics it offers.

The mechanics it offers is sailing a boat, doing fetch quests for gold and fighting other players.

What else is there to actually do?

I'm all for an immersive world that I can sink myself into, but there has to be some kind of substance for me to interact with to keep me invested. I don't need power ups or any kind of vertical progression, but I most certainly need something to do while I'm there. The water is pretty, but it's not enough to keep me playing for hours on end.

We're given "Go to Point A and do B" maps from all three factions. That's about as much as we can interact with the world aside from blowing apart other players ships, but a majority of people here on the forums are averse to that style of play.

So tell me, please, what exactly are people supposed to do in this game?

@lucky-monkee I can't say where the game will end up for certain, but my guess is that it's not going to go a competitive-tournament-money on the line route, although anything's possible.

But if it did go that way, I think it would be much more interesting to have items that change up the game, it opens the door for more strategies and counter plays, like in a starcraft or LoL, or even gun games (inb4 go play CoD). Those games have multiple options for multiple playstyles, and they can all be countered. I know those aren't the exactly analagous to SoT, as rocket league and overwatch also aren't - but consider - in all those games the meta can and will get stale. And when it gets stale the players get bored and upset and the game needs to be adjusted and moved forward.

And for a final point, if the game is going to get to a competitive ship battle stage, it won't be lvl 1s vs lvl 50s, there is always matchmaking in competitive games, so the idea that new players will just get roflstomped is kind of moot. Especially if some people get their wish of PvE only servers.

@lucky-monkee I really am not quite sure what to say to you? You speak of freedom, in a small sandbox game with 6 ships on a map at a time, when it should be much, much more. You speak of freedom when the majority of your "Fun" comes from futzing around with a crew that you either just met, or you had on your list the entire time and the majority of said fun is doing stupid things like shooting yourself from a cannon, playing shanties(With no lyrics) dancing, eating bananas or my god, naval warfare!

Speaking of, let's talk about naval warfare, you know, the only thing that attributes to "True skill" in this game and the supposed experience you're suppose to gain. Basic arcing trajectories vs speed and direction. The only thing you learn how to do properly is where to hit the ship for maximum effect vs how many sailors and planks the enemy vessel has. Well then! Now that we covered two in one, progression and naval combat, let's talk about...well hot dog, that seems like it's it!

The voyages are repetitive, the AI is a joke, the enemy variation is bad, the ship customization would of been better suited to let people unlock their own color palletes and design the ship, sail and figure head the way they like within reason of course and the cosmetics you actually do unlock for actually playing the game, look like they were designed as a contest from people not actually working at RARE.

@splatulated Rocket League and Overwatch are also not Sea of Thieves... Who'd guess different games are treated differently

@splatulated

You are understand that those games are different genre's correct?

Rocket league is competitive match where you are playing soccer/hockey that last roughly around 3-5min. It has a competitive league and tournament, multiple maps, and a variety of cosmetics that must be earned through specific achievements or rank gained.

Overwatch.... Competitive play, Ranked play, ESL League, loot boxes, different modes of play, custom matches, has in depth story for every character for a game that doesn't even need it, but they HAVE it...I mean they don't even come CLOSE to comparing...

SoT is open world environment. It has no competitive ranking, no rank structure, and the only reason for doing any quest is for cosmetic items.

SoT is a fun game for casual play, but it'll never be a Hall of Fame Game.

@lintaglen said in Rocket league and overwatch don't have stat boosting cosmetics:

@splatulated

You are understand that those games are different genre's correct?

Rocket league is competitive match where you are playing soccer/hockey that last roughly around 3-5min. It has a competitive league and tournament, multiple maps, and a variety of cosmetics that must be earned through specific achievements or rank gained.

Overwatch.... Competitive play, Ranked play, ESL League, loot boxes, different modes of play, custom matches, has in depth story for every character for a game that doesn't even need it, but they HAVE it...I mean they don't even come CLOSE to comparing...

SoT is open world environment. It has no competitive ranking, no rank structure, and the only reason for doing any quest is for cosmetic items.

SoT is a fun game for casual play, but it'll never be a Hall of Fame Game.

Where as I do agree with what you are saying I do not think that noting the variety in cosmetics for rocket league is valid in this point only because when it first came out it was literally just cars with some decals and trails nothing special.

Games like Overwatch, HoTS, LoL, Rocket League, etc. offer other forms of progression, where SOT does not. Basically these games give you other incentives to grind, like Ranked play.

@ghost-0f-dawn Honestly i wish skill played a bigger role in this game. After sinking the same returning ship over and over until you eventually run out of supplies and have to tactically retreat(run away) to avoid being sunk is fun and all but a lot of times my skill doesn't seem to get me as far as I feel it should. But i suppose that is an entirely different discussion all together

Rocket league and overwatch don't have stat boosting cosmetics

Sea of thieves isn't a competitive game. I don't want any sort of power progression but, could you compare games of the same category.

Generally if you want your game to have success and you want players to return there must be some meaning. Both RL and OW have high skill ceiling. IMO there must be one or combination of 3 factors.

1. You need good story.
2. You need game that has high skill ceiling so players can actually see getting better.
3. You need decent (character) progression.

Now if you look at 2018 releases you will find out they have at least one of these. Examples: Vermintide 2 has good character progression and playing on Legend needs some amount of skill. Kingdom Come has pretty much combination of all. Far Cry 5 has good story and progression.. I could really go on, but there is no point. Just look at the games you like and you will see that they have at least one of these points. SoT currently has none. Combat and sailing got super low skill ceiling and there is no story or progression. What is supposed to bring masses of players back? Nice looking water?

@splatulated Sorry but this is super low skill ceiling. You can become really good player in this game within few days and there is no more room to get better. Unlike in OW or RL.

@shralla I've seen only PvE players crying about forced PvP. The reality is this game has very low skill ceiling.