Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….

  • CosmicMonarch42
    Castaway

    Back 2 years ago, 2021, I was very adamant about pvp. It was unparalleled experience with the style of combat and its demands.

    I left because of the one shot errors.
    Returned a few weeks ago for the event and the experience. It wasn’t long before I encounter distasteful and confusing mechanics. I’ve been surfing post about one shot situations. I don’t understand how the eye of reach, or flit lock pistol, is able to one shot a player at FULL HP??

    Something new to the horrors, was the player was shooting me through my deck on respawn, and the crew was battling the solo player and again, he was one-tapping ALL THREE of us.

    From my understanding of what the player’s HP is, and the damage of the weapons, it should be impossible for this to happen and when it would, it should be very rare of a situation-ship.

    I would LOVE an explanation on how players with MAX HP were being shot through cabin walls and from odd angles. Another issue was this player would appear invisible and then move while firing simultaneously causing his character to re-appear. I’m not sure what emote could do this.

    I’m not looking for the based answers such as “players weren’t full health” or “lag was causing latency visuals.” Because neither were possible answers for our scenario. I have clips and filed a formal complaint report about what appeared to be a bug.
    But if anyone has been - nonstop - playing, who might know what mechanics are at play here so I can simply educate myself to defend against what ever play style the solo was using. Because I don’t understand how he was able to live through TWO simultaneous head shots from two players both using the sniper rifle. The player was positioned on a harpoon after we docked and scuttled for a faster transport since we were getting off. I solo camped until the ship returned, and on of us were able to kill upon SUCCESSFULLY landing head shots or explosives. I would appreciate serious responses only. I can also provide clips for further analysis.

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  • D3ADST1CK
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    You can still shoot through the grates on each ship to hit players on lower decks. As far as one shot, it should not be possible (outside of the blunderbuss at close range or lag/bugs) and can't really say otherwise without seeing the incident.

    There are also no headshots or damage modifiers.

  • WolfManbush
    Champion

    I have a theory that some figured out how to exploit fall damage and inflict it on people.

    Out of all the combat I've been in I don't think I've been one shot outside of blunder, ever

    plenty of ridiculous one blunders based on distance or angle

    some likely macro shooting

    but I've never personally seen the one shot at full health outside of blunder

  • LordQulex
    Captain

    First, lag and rubber banding are always an option for this sort of thing. Could have been shot with a pistol before the eye of reach, but I digress.

    Sounds like cheating. There have been a wave of cheaters lately that came along with hourglass. I've heard stories of teleportation, keg spawning, one shoting, shooting through walls, etc... There has been a wave of bans recently though, but that doesn't mean the cheat makers couldn't have found a new way.

    If you can 100% ensure that is wasn't lag/latency issues (good luck), then it may have been a cheater.

    Edit: Also, there are no headshots in this game.

  • heslashthem
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    This is a difficult one because as someone who has played for 4 years non stop, I’ve never seen this happen, either to me or to other players, and I’ve encountered lots. The only scenario it’s possible is via blunderbuss. Otherwise, it’s likely it was from quick double gun + latency, you weren’t at full health, or two people shot you at the same time.

  • PersonalC0ffee
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    @lordqulex said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    First, lag and rubber banding are always an option for this sort of thing. Could have been shot with a pistol before the eye of reach, but I digress.

    Sounds like cheating. There have been a wave of cheaters lately that came along with hourglass. I've heard stories of teleportation, keg spawning, one shoting, shooting through walls, etc... There has been a wave of bans recently though, but that doesn't mean the cheat makers couldn't have found a new way.

    If you can 100% ensure that is wasn't lag/latency issues (good luck), then it may have been a cheater.

    Edit: Also, there are no headshots in this game.

    Are you saying any time I'm one shot FROM AN NON BLUNDER, with full hp I need to report it?

  • LordQulex
    Captain

    @personalc0ffee said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    @lordqulex said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    First, lag and rubber banding are always an option for this sort of thing. Could have been shot with a pistol before the eye of reach, but I digress.

    Sounds like cheating. There have been a wave of cheaters lately that came along with hourglass. I've heard stories of teleportation, keg spawning, one shoting, shooting through walls, etc... There has been a wave of bans recently though, but that doesn't mean the cheat makers couldn't have found a new way.

    If you can 100% ensure that is wasn't lag/latency issues (good luck), then it may have been a cheater.

    Edit: Also, there are no headshots in this game.

    Are you saying any time I'm one shot FROM AN NON BLUNDER, with full hp I need to report it?

    If you can 100% ensure that is wasn't lag/latency issues (good luck).

  • PersonalC0ffee
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    @lordqulex said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    @personalc0ffee said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    @lordqulex said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    First, lag and rubber banding are always an option for this sort of thing. Could have been shot with a pistol before the eye of reach, but I digress.

    Sounds like cheating. There have been a wave of cheaters lately that came along with hourglass. I've heard stories of teleportation, keg spawning, one shoting, shooting through walls, etc... There has been a wave of bans recently though, but that doesn't mean the cheat makers couldn't have found a new way.

    If you can 100% ensure that is wasn't lag/latency issues (good luck), then it may have been a cheater.

    Edit: Also, there are no headshots in this game.

    Are you saying any time I'm one shot FROM AN NON BLUNDER, with full hp I need to report it?

    If you can 100% ensure that is wasn't lag/latency issues (good luck).

    Sounds like that's a job for support to determine instead. My ping is usually 60-100 unless I'm on a Euro server and being on a Euro server brings its own latency issues.

    I have 100% been one shot with an EoR before. Not with flintlock to my knowledge.

    If you are telling me there's cheats that do that, then reports are going to start getting filed but not to worry, this doesn't happen to me often. I think the last time I can recall one was over 2 weeks ago, maybe. It isn't a common problem.

  • LordQulex
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    @personalc0ffee said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    @lordqulex said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    @personalc0ffee said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    @lordqulex said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    First, lag and rubber banding are always an option for this sort of thing. Could have been shot with a pistol before the eye of reach, but I digress.

    Sounds like cheating. There have been a wave of cheaters lately that came along with hourglass. I've heard stories of teleportation, keg spawning, one shoting, shooting through walls, etc... There has been a wave of bans recently though, but that doesn't mean the cheat makers couldn't have found a new way.

    If you can 100% ensure that is wasn't lag/latency issues (good luck), then it may have been a cheater.

    Edit: Also, there are no headshots in this game.

    Are you saying any time I'm one shot FROM AN NON BLUNDER, with full hp I need to report it?

    If you can 100% ensure that is wasn't lag/latency issues (good luck).

    Sounds like that's a job for support to determine instead. My ping is usually 60-100 unless I'm on a Euro server and being on a Euro server brings its own latency issues.

    I have 100% been one shot with an EoR before. Not with flintlock to my knowledge.

    If you are telling me there's cheats that do that, then reports are going to start getting filed but not to worry, this doesn't happen to me often. I think the last time I can recall one was over 2 weeks ago, maybe. It isn't a common problem.

    There are cheats that will teleport kegs onto your boat! You think there aren't programs that can tell the server they hit you twice with their EoR or something? But I mean, it's all circumstantial. Maybe there were two shooters, maybe they were just real fast double gunners, maybe a crew member threw a blunder bomb that hit the deck above you, I don't know. But if you're asking me in my professional opinion as a software developer that if someone can create a program that accesses the game's memory to spawn in treasure and teleport pirates can they create a program that will shoot you twice or have infinite ammo with zero reload times or something silly like that, the answer is yes.

    Remember, the programs you download may only be a fraction of what people can make. If I decompile the hack and see what it's doing, I could probably make it do all manner of things. You think the hackers are publishing their best ones for distribution? HA!

  • PersonalC0ffee
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    @lordqulex said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    @personalc0ffee said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    @lordqulex said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    @personalc0ffee said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    @lordqulex said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    First, lag and rubber banding are always an option for this sort of thing. Could have been shot with a pistol before the eye of reach, but I digress.

    Sounds like cheating. There have been a wave of cheaters lately that came along with hourglass. I've heard stories of teleportation, keg spawning, one shoting, shooting through walls, etc... There has been a wave of bans recently though, but that doesn't mean the cheat makers couldn't have found a new way.

    If you can 100% ensure that is wasn't lag/latency issues (good luck), then it may have been a cheater.

    Edit: Also, there are no headshots in this game.

    Are you saying any time I'm one shot FROM AN NON BLUNDER, with full hp I need to report it?

    If you can 100% ensure that is wasn't lag/latency issues (good luck).

    Sounds like that's a job for support to determine instead. My ping is usually 60-100 unless I'm on a Euro server and being on a Euro server brings its own latency issues.

    I have 100% been one shot with an EoR before. Not with flintlock to my knowledge.

    If you are telling me there's cheats that do that, then reports are going to start getting filed but not to worry, this doesn't happen to me often. I think the last time I can recall one was over 2 weeks ago, maybe. It isn't a common problem.

    There are cheats that will teleport kegs onto your boat! You think there aren't programs that can tell the server they hit you twice with their EoR or something? But I mean, it's all circumstantial. Maybe there were two shooters, maybe they were just real fast double gunners, maybe a crew member threw a blunder bomb that hit the deck above you, I don't know. But if you're asking me in my professional opinion as a software developer that if someone can create a program that accesses the game's memory to spawn in treasure and teleport pirates can they create a program that will shoot you twice or have infinite ammo with zero reload times or something silly like that, the answer is yes.

    Remember, the programs you download may only be a fraction of what people can make. If I decompile the hack and see what it's doing, I could probably make it do all manner of things. You think the hackers are publishing their best ones for distribution? HA!

    Fair enough so reports it is.

  • Red0Demon0
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    Throughout the new season I have found a huge portion of players that I suspect of cheating. Some of them, for the reasons you stated. Yesterday I found a cheater, not one that I suspect, but that I 100% know for a fact is one. They started the game by raising sails and then proceeded to only shoot me with the eye of reach. The issue is that 100% of the shots either hit me or would have hit me if not for my ships collision. Regardless of waves, or how far I was from them, every single shot, including the 1st, managed to hit their target. They jumped overboard, after a bit and still managed to hit every single shot. Here's a player who has such great precision but still seemed to loose. I mean, I should have been outclassed so something doesn't add up there. So yes, cheating has increased drastically, to the point that rarely you will also find players outright doing it in your face

    then you also have long standing and recurring issues like quick weapon swapping glitch exploitation being used by all the sweats out there, and who knows, maybe they too might be cheating for the most part. Players who 1 shot with eye of reach, or manage to quick swap guns, maintain health seemingly despite the amount of hits they taker have beyond human accuracy, and players who somehow survive shot gun tot he face but millisecond later, the shot from your enemy... at gun point, manages to kill u. So many issues with combat, and no new tools or additional weapon choices for such a long time

  • Vito1700
    Rogue
    Insider

    @cosmicmonarch42 I’ve never been one shot with full hp other than the blunder but I have been killed by two simultaneously fired snipers while trying to board

  • D3ADST1CK
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    @lordqulex said in Returning player, one shot still seems to be a thing….:

    There are cheats that will teleport kegs onto your boat! You think there aren't programs that can tell the server they hit you twice with their EoR or something? But I mean, it's all circumstantial. Maybe there were two shooters, maybe they were just real fast double gunners, maybe a crew member threw a blunder bomb that hit the deck above you, I don't know. But if you're asking me in my professional opinion as a software developer that if someone can create a program that accesses the game's memory to spawn in treasure and teleport pirates can they create a program that will shoot you twice or have infinite ammo with zero reload times or something silly like that, the answer is yes.

    Remember, the programs you download may only be a fraction of what people can make. If I decompile the hack and see what it's doing, I could probably make it do all manner of things. You think the hackers are publishing their best ones for distribution? HA!

    If the client could tell the server that they hit someone, we wouldn't have a hit registration issue. Hitreg exists because the hit detection is server side. As far as I know, gun damage is also server side so modifying how much your weapon does or how much damage you do to someone can't be changed from the client end. What is a problem is food not registering, making you think you were at full health but you never actually healed. There could also be packet loss preventing the health update from reaching your client and updating your UI. Or it could be a display bug. That's why it's hard to determine based only on a forum post and no video.

    I wouldn't rule out the ability for a cheat to allow a one shot, but there are none available that I can find that advertise anything close to damage modification. If they were able to do that, they'd likely be pairing up a shot with something else like maybe fall damage somehow. If they weren't constrained in some way, we'd have the same issue that Team Fortress 2 has/had where aimbots wouldn't even need to point in your direction and they'd be able to hit you from anywhere.

    A lot of the crazier cheats you run into are actually them purposefully activating a known bug (e.g. invicibility bug that makes your character naked with no weapons) or abusing the game physics and the lax server side checks around player movement when under the effects of physics. A lot of the flying cheats are just them 'falling' and moving around, I think. We all know what happens to players/ships when they get pinched in between something, so there is definitely some leniency given to the client side when the player is under a physics effect.

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