Bunnyhopping again

I think a standard look sensitivity would solve a lot of the trash hand to hand combat.

@bugaboo-bill said in Bunnyhopping again:

Therefore maybe only with a tool/weapon equipped.

I've always been a proponent of this specific aspect of limiting hopping, including while eating.

My only concern is this would most likely be made useless via putting the item away and pulling it back out, similar to the shovel animation cancelling or with cycling weapons on a failed sword strike to cancel the penalty. If this happens, a portion of the community who doesn't know these little exploits would be at a significant disadvantage :(

@nwo-azcrack Yea, that is where my concern with this sort of change comes in. I am all for the OP, but given the track record for certain fixes either not happening or making things worse, I forsee further exploitation :(

I'm torn... To me, the obvious solution is the addition of a stamina bar that depletes when you jump and refills over time.

However, if a game has a stamina bar, chances are it'll deplete when you sprint as well, and I don't want that at all. I'm a huge fan of unlimited sprinting.

I'd be okay with a jump-specific stamina bar, in other words.

I would hate to have a stamina bar and I love to jump freely and as much as I want and personally I don't see that much b hopping in fights

i agree.

but i'm only against bunny hopping because it just makes a beautiful game meant to have unique and engaging combat look ridiculous. or rather it just makes combat look ridiculous in general, as is the case for many other games.

call it subjective, but literally anything is subjective on a public feedback forum.

all i know is that various trailers and videos from the developers feature combat that is mostly grounded cartoon action. that alone gets a lot of people to try the game but are of course disappointed and discouraged to continue playing.

I think one solution (if we do need one) would be to have your pirate trip if they are struck mid-air and then hit the ground. This would allow jumping to be used skillfully, but with a cost if you become to predictable (hopping all the time). Tripping wouldn't be too severe, maybe a limp for a second or two, no more.

I see no reason to change it, many shooting games have it. Arguing realism is silly, at least how I see it, this game is already unrealistic. We shoot ourselves from cannons, dash through the water with our swords, and gain oxygen through the consumption of fruits. If your going to argue realism/immersion breaking, its only fair to argue against these as well.

Just keep it, either adapt or don't, let us stop asking the developers to change the game to our personal preferences. Many people are perfectly fine with bunny-hopping.

@nabberwar said in Bunnyhopping again:

I see no reason to change it, many shooting games have it. Arguing realism is silly, at least how I see it, this game is already unrealistic. We shoot ourselves from cannons, dash through the water with our swords, and gain oxygen through the consumption of fruits. If your going to argue realism/immersion breaking, its only fair to argue against these as well.

Just keep it, either adapt or don't, let us stop asking the developers to change the game to our personal preferences. Many people are perfectly fine with bunny-hopping.

there is a difference between breaking immersion and breaking fantasy.

we shoot ourselves from cannons because its a pirate fantasy, for example. i would be more convinced if bunny hopping supported the game's immersion if it were about ninjas or acrobats.

@mysticdragon297

there is a difference between breaking immersion and breaking fantasy.

we shoot ourselves from cannons because its a pirate fantasy, for example. i would be more convinced if bunny hopping supported the game's immersion if it were about ninjas or acrobats.

This is such a subjective topic though, what might be someone's immersion breaker, is another's standard. I mean we could look at it from another perspective of cartoony pirates just hopping around. I get the fact that some people dislike bunny-hopping, but many games have it and embrace it. Why bother spending the time to fix something that isn't broken? Being a hard target to hit isn't new to shooting games. Had crouch or going prone existed, people would be doing that instead. Bunny-hopping is just another one of those tactics. Either learn it or don't.

I try to follow a philosophy, change for the game, don't make the game change for you. I don't go to other game forums to change mechanics that the game was originally designed in just so it better suits me. I learned strafe jumping in quake, rocket jumping in TF2, orb walking in League of Legends, b-hopping in Counter Strike, and many other things in other games.

@nabberwar said in Bunnyhopping again:

@mysticdragon297

there is a difference between breaking immersion and breaking fantasy.

we shoot ourselves from cannons because its a pirate fantasy, for example. i would be more convinced if bunny hopping supported the game's immersion if it were about ninjas or acrobats.

This is such a subjective topic though, what might be someone's immersion breaker, is another's standard. I mean we could look at it from another perspective of cartoony pirates just hopping around. I get the fact that some people dislike bunny-hopping, but many games have it and embrace it. Why bother spending the time to fix something that isn't broken? Being a hard target to hit isn't new to shooting games. Had crouch or going prone existed, people would be doing that instead. Bunny-hopping is just another one of those tactics. Either learn it or don't.

I try to follow a philosophy, change for the game, don't make the game change for you. I don't go to other game forums to change mechanics that the game was originally designed in just so it better suits me. I learned strafe jumping in quake, rocket jumping in TF2, orb walking in League of Legends, b-hopping in Counter Strike, and many other things in other games.

literally everything is subjective on a public feedback forum.

a lot of modern games have been better with b-hop restrictions and are mostly praised for it because it prevents these games from looking like a common low-budget game or old-style first person shooter (as you have described) and contributes to an immersive combat experience.

overall Sea of Thieves was never inspired by those competitive FPS shooters.

@sweltering-nick said in Bunnyhopping again:

@mysticdragon297

literally everything is subjective on a public feedback forum.

That is literally incorrect. xD

Some points made are facts, and by definition, those points cannot be subjective, as facts are objective, and no matter how much denial you try to practice in protest, facts never cease, there is no escape from reality. :P

Yes, many of the points are subjective, that doesn't mean all of them are, let's be real here. : /

Besides, bunnyhopping is a term used for old fps shooters, specifically Counter Strike and Half Life, where spamming jump would causes you to gradually move faster and faster, though you couldn't turn effectively, it did allow you to build up momentum to speed past a player so fast that hitting you was nearly impossible.

This isn't possible in SoT, so it's not bunnyhopping... it's just regular jump spamming... Which is not an old-school fps thing, but rather a gamer-thing, in general... People jump spam in World of Warcraft, Morrowind, Oblivion, basically any 3rd person or 1st person game ever made where jumping is allowed.

It's a subconscious thing gamers do to learn the reach and capability of the jump mechanic more effectively over time... So they don't mess up their jumps when it actually matters...

ok, an exaggeration on my part. but, yes, let's be real.

"bunny hopping does not belong in Sea of Thieves because it breaks immersion" is subjective.
"bunny hopping does belong in sea of thieves because it presents skill" is also subjective.

my point is still valid.

as for your point:

it is much easier to say "bunny hopping" than the mouth full that is "spamming jump multiple times in an attempt to confuse your opponent."

what would you call it? how does the correct pronunciation further this discussion?

@sweltering-nick said in Bunnyhopping again:

@mysticdragon297

"bunny hopping does not belong in Sea of Thieves because it breaks immersion" is subjective.
"bunny hopping does belong in sea of thieves because it presents skill" is also subjective.

True, but i believe you are focusing on the wrong points... It's not about the subjective parts of the argument.

What this is really about is, why should we remove or limit a game feature to prevent people from TRYING not to die? The original post is selfish in its reasoning, and this is what i would argue is the wrong kind of subjective argument to use.

Objectively speaking, Bugaboo Bill seems to have a pet peeve against jump spam for whatever reason, and seemingly isn't considering the consequences of his suggestion... See my first post in this thread, where i talk about those consequences.

what would you call it? how does the correct pronunciation further this discussion?

Jump spam.

Less letters, easier... More accurate. xD

Because bunnyhopping is a specific term relating to gaining speed via jump spam, but you can't gain speed by spamming jump in SoT, so it's technically not the correct term to use.

But that's not really what we're discussing anyway, so...

both sides can be selfish.

one wants to remove jump spam because its annoying and breaks immersion, while the other wants to keep it because its a skill and represents freedom.

i think both sides have valid points, but i'm mostly on the side of limiting jump spam because games without it or restrictions to it have far more of an immersive experience and engaging combat, which Sea of Thieves has mostly promised.

@nabberwar said in Bunnyhopping again:
gain oxygen through the consumption of fruits.

Nothing beats cruising along the ocean floor with a lungful of pomegranate...