My friend and I focus on PvP, but he seems to be having a change of heart after an encounter with "innocent" pirates. Please help convince him that this is a pirate game and there is no mercy, even for the weak.
He uploaded a piece of our stream to youtube to prove to me that this innocent crew should be spared. Later in the video they were sunk by someone else anyways...
First off it's a pirate game with the word THIEVES in the name. If that isn't enough of a hint that this is meant to be an aggressive game idk what will.
Second, people can't be trusted especially not in a game. We back-stab and sabotage everything that we see fit.
Third, only people who are bad at the game will want to be friendly. If you're friendly and help them out all the time then they will never get better at it. Trial by fire, only the strong will learn and overcome. Every once in a while you can teach someone but you don't need to do that every day. Failure is one of the strongest teaching tools there is.
Fourth, why waste your time trying to negotiate and split the loot when it's much more beneficial for you in the short run and them in the long run for you to just fight it out?
Why choose when you can have both?
Limiting your reactions to one constant only hampers the kind of adventures you can have. Every play session, flip a coin. Am I going to be a ruthless pirate or an easy going adventurer?
"But we might be sunk, killed, and robbed!"
Oh no, you'd fall prey to all the penalties for losing like...... oh, there aren't any. So why limit yourself?
Pirates don't follow the rules; and that includes the rule that says they must always BE pirates.
@zherron-vorse said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
First off it's a pirate game with the word THIEVES in the name. If that isn't enough of a hint that this is meant to be an aggressive game idk what will.
Second, people can't be trusted especially not in a game. We back-stab and sabotage everything that we see fit.
Third, only people who are bad at the game will want to be friendly. If you're friendly and help them out all the time then they will never get better at it. Trial by fire, only the strong will learn and overcome. Every once in a while you can teach someone but you don't need to do that every day. Failure is one of the strongest teaching tools there is.
Fourth, why waste your time trying to negotiate and split the loot when it's much more beneficial for you in the short run and them in the long run for you to just fight it out?
Well said, I completely agree with your last 3 points.
@zherron-vorse I play this as a competitive PVP game. My crew actively seeks out other ships to destroy them and we won’t approach an island or skull fort unless another ship is there. Over time we’ve picked up strategies that range from just guns blazing to woefully deceptive and I like to think that every encounter makes us stronger (win or lose).
Now that I am seasoned I only get enjoyment from fighting with crews better than us or equally matched. What is the point otherwise?
I don’t agree that being friendly is being bad at the game. A large part of the player base simply enjoys this as a PVE game.
When I made the decision NOT to sink the sloop in the video I was struggling to see the value in it for me.
Had to many good times with good helpful crews to always stab others in back.
Its a lot of fun to get a convoy of good ships to team up. Get three sloops in a group and watch Galleons run from you for a change. Way too many options in this game to pick same flavor every interaction.
I have helped a lot of crews and back stabbed many also. Helping them does make me feel way better in the end.
@shad0wsdab0m its just the flavor of the day. i love killing and stealing. i love talking and partying. the other day i had a barrel poised to be shot and kill incoming pirates with treasure to the skull tent. when they came up i just decided to say hi instead. we hung out of a while was fun.
conversely, i have had a sloop come up to my claimed skull fort and offer to help and split. i accept until the last wave at which point i killed him and took it for myself because it seemed more profitable.
flavor of the day!
@zherron-vorse said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
First off it's a pirate game with the word THIEVES in the name. If that isn't enough of a hint that this is meant to be an aggressive game idk what will.
Thieves are not necessarily aggressive, nor do they kill for no benefit..
Second, people can't be trusted especially not in a game. We back-stab and sabotage everything that we see fit.
That sound more like a reflection on yourself to be honest.
Third, only people who are bad at the game will want to be friendly.
Wow that's just wrong. How you play is a reflection on you. It's not an excuse because it's allowed. Its a game, but how you play it shows your character.
Fourth, why waste your time trying to negotiate and split the loot when it's much more beneficial for you in the short run and them in the long run for you to just fight it out?
Teaming up you get stuff faster, and less risk. You may not get everything but you don't end up spending double or triple the amount of time getting it. Which gives you more time to earn even more rewards? Sounds smart to me.
Meh, Its a game with PVP in it. But I don't really see it as a PVP game. There's no inherent gain for sinking a ship or killing a pirate. For that reason I only PVP when I stand a reasonable chance of making some kind of profit on the deal.
Example: I wont follow a ship that I see leaving an outpost as its very unlikely they have much to take. But if I've just turned in and I see a ship approaching I definitely will lay an ambush :)
https://twitter.com/CrazyJuan77/status/998594308654673920
Or if I were to see a ship that's been anchored at an island for a very long time, skull forts, ect.
@dragonsire2016 said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
@zherron-vorse said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
First off it's a pirate game with the word THIEVES in the name. If that isn't enough of a hint that this is meant to be an aggressive game idk what will.
Thieves are not necessarily aggressive, nor do they kill for no benefit..
Second, people can't be trusted especially not in a game. We back-stab and sabotage everything that we see fit.
That sound more like a reflection on yourself to be honest.
Third, only people who are bad at the game will want to be friendly.
Wow that's just wrong. How you play is a reflection on you. It's not an excuse because it's allowed. Its a game, but how you play it shows your character.
Fourth, why waste your time trying to negotiate and split the loot when it's much more beneficial for you in the short run and them in the long run for you to just fight it out?
Teaming up you get stuff faster, and less risk. You may not get everything but you don't end up spending double or triple the amount of time getting it. Which gives you more time to earn even more rewards? Sounds smart to me.
Its a mix on how aggressive thieves are however in a video game intimidation rarely works since if they die and lose they can respawn and try again, that isn't the case with real life so intimidation works way more often.
If you want to be trusting to players and befriend them then that's on you. I'm planning on tricking people in the future by joining open crews as a pure default pirate and having them drop initiation voyages for me. Then go around asking people for help to see who falls for it. But by all means, make friends on the seas.
Bad players often are more friendly cause they are scared of losing their loot or not being able to accomplish their goal. I can't tell you how many times on a Legendary Galleon we killed everyone at a skull fort and did the entire thing then a random sloop wants to join us and be friends as we are loading our loot up (they met Davy Jones very quickly).
Your only team is your crew. Get 3 good players and yourself then go take everything on. It's the fastest and most efficient way and if everyone know's what they are doing there is low risk anyways. A fort should be done in 15 minutes on average or 10 if you get good wave spawns. Then jump server and repeat, or you can take time to talk to people and negotiate then split the loot and hope in the end they don't backstab you.
@barnacle-blake said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
Had to many good times with good helpful crews to always stab others in back.
Its a lot of fun to get a convoy of good ships to team up. Get three sloops in a group and watch Galleons run from you for a change. Way too many options in this game to pick same flavor every interaction.
I have helped a lot of crews and back stabbed many also. Helping them does make me feel way better in the end.
Rorschach gets it
@shad0wsdab0m said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
Please help convince him that this is a pirate game and there is no mercy, even for the weak.
Who told you pirates were murdering kill on sight people? They had honour, parlay and treaties to avoid losses.. Pirates attacked merchant and trading vessels as well as navy.. not eachother.
@revanjstone said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
@shad0wsdab0m its just the flavor of the day. i love killing and stealing. i love talking and partying. the other day i had a barrel poised to be shot and kill incoming pirates with treasure to the skull tent. when they came up i just decided to say hi instead. we hung out of a while was fun.
conversely, i have had a sloop come up to my claimed skull fort and offer to help and split. i accept until the last wave at which point i killed him and took it for myself because it seemed more profitable.
flavor of the day!
Wait, you went through all the trouble of bringing a gun powder barrel back to an outpost, camped it with your gun pointed at it for who knows how long, and the first pirate you see you say "to heck with all that time and effort" and say "Hi" instead of killing him?
I don't understand that at all.
@dragonsire2016 said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
@zherron-vorse said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
Second, people can't be trusted especially not in a game. We back-stab and sabotage everything that we see fit.
That sound more like a reflection on yourself to be honest.
I take it you've never played a survival game like Day Z, Rust, or PUBG?
@xixxo123 said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
@shad0wsdab0m said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
Please help convince him that this is a pirate game and there is no mercy, even for the weak.
Who told you pirates were murdering kill on sight people? They had honour, parlay and treaties to avoid losses.. Pirates attacked merchant and trading vessels as well as navy.. not eachother.
My pirate animes tell me differently. Seriously though, you'd be silly to think that.
@xixxo123 said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
Who told you pirates were murdering kill on sight people? They had honour, parlay and treaties to avoid losses.. Pirates attacked merchant and trading vessels as well as navy.. not eachother.
Besides, the players that do quests in this game are essentially merchants anyways. They capture livestock and transport trading goods, therefore I have an obligation to sink them.
@xixxo123 said in My friend changed his mind on PvP?:
Silly to think what? What i said was a fact, pirates didn't often attack each-other.
Wait, you said "didn't", but then changed it to "didn't often". Make up your mind.
@shad0wsdab0m haha i never 'camp' outposts. i got a game to play! i was at galleons grave parked on the north side. when i turned stuff in saw them coming from the south so set the trap. then idk something struck me and i decided to just keep laying there and say hello. i even watched him look at it right next to it thinking something like 'hey so weird theres a bomb here guess ill sell it' haha.
they were nice pirates. sometimes i just get struck with a vibe be it murderous or civil
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