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WoW doesn't offer the option for first person though... so that argument is invalid.

I would like to have an option to enable 3rd person but I think there would be issues in it being unfair when you have full view of everything that happens behind your back in comparison to people playing first person.

@crimsonraziel said in Motion Sickness:

@fishst1ck I'm pretty sure in WoW, if you zoom in enough, it switches to 1st person view.

You might be right, you can zoom all the way removing anything related to your character.

In WoW switching from the default to 1st person view would make the game almost unplayable for yourself.
In SoT switching from the default to 3rd person view would work fine for you as you gain a lot of view benefits, but it would be unfair for others.

@crimsonraziel said in Motion Sickness:

@fishst1ck No, 1st person doesn't make WoW almost unplayable. It makes some things harder but it adds to immersion. Especially for PVE 1st or 3rd person view in WoW is mainly a matter of taste. Not so for PVP. But never the less everyone has both options. Hypothetically it would be the same for SoT. It's the players choice to put himself on disadvantage.

3rd person view in SoT isn't unfair per se, everyone could switch from 1st person view too.
The fact, that it was advertised and released as 1st person view and adding 3rd person view afterwards changes the genre, is the real point against it. That's a substantial change almost as big as turning SoT into a single player game. Everything else boils down to a matter of taste.

1st person view in WoW might be acceptable for PvE in RP or some simple questing, but for everything else losing your situational awareness will have you constantly die from effects you didn't see until it was too late. If you're doing raids with bossfights that aren't just tank and spank you'd not only waste your own time but everyone else in the raid as well.

In your hypothetical claim you throw around the very common but incredibly weak argument that "if you feel it's unfair you should just do the same". The default (and at the moment only view) is first person. Adding a third person view would basically mean you'd have to switch to be able to continue playing the game without a huge disadvantage.

I agree that adding it would be a really substantial change to the way the game would be played. However I strongly disagree that this would boil down to a matter of taste, because the only "taste" choice you'd have is do I want to see people before they try and blunderbuss me from behind or do I want to be surprise killed.

@crimsonraziel said in Motion Sickness:

@fishst1ck sagte in Motion Sickness:

1st person view in WoW might be acceptable for PvE in RP or some simple questing, but for everything else losing your situational awareness will have you constantly die from effects you didn't see until it was too late. If you're doing raids with bossfights that aren't just tank and spank you'd not only waste your own time but everyone else in the raid as well.

Here I am, getting told about my experience in WoW in first person view, from somebody who didn't even knew WoW has one.

And about wasting your time … the whole game is a waste of time and I happily do so in WoW and SoT.

You can experience it any way you want, I just stated that it means deliberately putting yourself at a disadvantage at PvE and PvP for the sake of added immersion.

About wasted time... Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time. Seeing however that you're just dismissing my post with your "from somebody who didn't even know wow had one" without adding anything to it removes my time enjoying to reply to you.

So let's just agree to disagree.

Auf Wiedersehen @Crimsonraziel

@crimsonraziel said in Motion Sickness:

@fishst1ck sagte in Motion Sickness:

Seeing however that you're just dismissing my post with your "from somebody who didn't even know wow had one" without adding anything to it removes my time enjoying to reply to you.

What did you expect? Your point is just a claim based on nothing. You obviously you never tried it, because you didn't even know it is possible. I did. Since release. In 1st and 3rd person view. I never said there is no disadvantage, but it's not even half as bad as you claim.

Edit: This forum needs markers for edited posts!

So your assumption I didn't play WoW is based on me forgetting about the zoomed in view. I've played WoW since the beta and have done so for about 10 years. As far as I can recall my main warlock has a /played of 365+ days and I spent most of that time by raiding and square hopping in IF.

I admitted you might be right because it is technically a first person view, but a extremely minimalistic one at that. You can't see yourself, your weapons or any animations while casting until you actually fling your spell. I have never even considered actually playing the game like that because it's more of an observer mode than an immersive way of playing.

During most raid encounters your situational awareness is so incredibly important, limiting your field of view would just end with you being dead early on in a fight. Add to that the size of most bosses, which would basically mean that as a melee character you only see the boss' leg in front of you or something.

I've seen people die in some pretty stupid ways during raids and that was with them actually being able to see what happened around them or even just below them on the floor. If you can only see what's in front of you in WoW you'll definitely be useless in almost any raid setting.

@crimsonraziel said in Motion Sickness:

@fishst1ck sagte in Motion Sickness:

So your assumption I didn't play WoW is based on me forgetting about the zoomed in view.

Nope. Never wrote that. I assumed you never played WoW in 1st person view, because you couldn't even remember/didn't know it has one.

You're right, I never even considered playing it in that way because it's so obviously limiting. I consider it to be even worse than Skyrim in 3rd person.

Since you're just nitpicking a single line from each post now and the fact that we've sailed quite far offtopic, I'm done here.

@crimsonraziel said in Motion Sickness:

@fishst1ck said in Motion Sickness:

You're right, I never even considered playing it in that way because it's so obviously limiting.

So now you're admitting you never even tried. Obviously, you must be right.

Playing and trying are completely different things, but sure celebrate your self proclaimed internet win.

@jonaldinho said in Motion Sickness:

@entspeak said in Motion Sickness:

Including a 3rd person perspective gives an advantage over using 1st person - you wouldn’t have to go to the ladder to see someone on the ladder, for example.

I haven't tried, but I'm pretty sure you could do this already with an emote action

I think it would be possible in that way indeed. However when you're interacting with a ships sails, wheel, cannons, ladders or engaged in active combat, you can't use any emotes (or in case of the combat it would be unwise). If you'd have a 3rd person view at those time you'd always be able to see anyone sneaking up on you.