I love this game. Just about everything about it, except for 1 thing.
I can’t even further myself in the hungering deep story due to griefers. I know y’all do so much for this game but after trying for 2 days to just speak to a bartender and being repeatedly killed by folks hanging around just to grief others I’m getting frustrated. Not even sure what could be done about this but dang I’m at a loss...
Griefers
@stickehbuns I’ve run it a few times and helped others pave their OWN path to the event... No spoilers, no griefing - just camaraderie and a helping hand.
If you want to pair up or get a full crew together and create the experience yourself, look me up!
@stickehbuns
This is impossible. It takes 20 seconds to talk to the bartender and move on with the quest. A few server hops at most. 2 days of trying to get to one outpost is an over exaggeration@Stickehbuns I’ve played in a half dozen servers or so over the past two days, but I haven’t seen anyone griefing at Shark Bait Cove, the two outposts or the uncharted islands. Maybe you’re just having really really bad luck??
Exaggeration or not it would appear the the comradery from the Hungering Deep has evaporated overnight and griefers now have new ways to specifically harass other players
These people aren't looking to PvP, they're looking to specifically ruin the game for other people. No one is looking for a fight while talking to the bartender. They don't want you to fight back, they don't want a reward. They want to catch you unaware or off-guard so you literally present no challenge. And they take joy knowing they're disrupting your ability to progress
This isn't against the rules, your only options are to kill them and sink their ship which, again, prevents you from completing your goal so they feel like they're doing their "job". And if you do sink them, they may return to start it all over again while you repair and redock your ship. Otherwise you may leave the server and find a new one
If you want to engage in pve content, that is your choice. If you do not wish to engage in pvp, however, that is not up to you. That is the choice of everyone else playing
It doesn't matter if you enjoy it or not (a few moments today were rather grinding for me). It's how it is@uhndeth thanks. I do understand there’s “nothing I can do about” as pvp is the name of the game. I’ve been playing since beta and this is literally the first time I’ve not enjoyed my gaming experience. I’ve dealt with griefers b4 but never like this. I mostly posted in hopes that perhaps if future content similar to this is released, maybe something can change? Idk what that would be but throwing it out there because I love this game....
Man people still talking about griefers. if you can't kill or get the quest done after a couple server hops you almost deserve to not be able to complete it... If you're not good at a game it's not the devs fault. "I can't get A because i'm not good enough, so please make it easier for me to get A"... zZzZZZZzzzZzZzZZzZz
@nwo-azcrack said in Griefers:
@stickehbuns
This is impossible. It takes 20 seconds to talk to the bartender and move on with the quest. A few server hops at most. 2 days of trying to get to one outpost is an over exaggerationA few? That might even be impossible to need.
Yeah, it’s really annoying. The hungering deep came out everyone was pretty cool and let you do your thing, but now that there are people who finished it. They do nothing but camp Merrick and grief people trying to get the quest step done. What worked for me was having a buddy distract them with our sloop while I talked to him then switching so my buddy could talk to him. Honestly though the griefing has gotten worse since the event, much worse. There are too many players who can afford to waste time camping merrick, it gains them nothing. It’s super frustrating, but some people have to much free time I guess.)@xpial By your reply, you’re either a griefer yourself, or have no clue. Griefers aren’t playing the same game. Rules don’t matter, skill doesn’t matter. Their intent is to ruin the game for others. Period. I have no problem with the PvP environment. But even with PvP, the idea is we’re playing a game together for the purpose of mutual enjoyment. If one party is deriving enjoyment from depriving others of theirs, that’s griefing. Unfortunately, it seems to be a sign of the times.
@hopes-guardian said in Griefers:
@xpial I never implied that your a griefer, this has nothing to do with legitimate PvP.
I would suggest you look up the definition of griefers for clarity on this issue, instead of wrongly assuming that I am implying that you grief.I literally said in my post "i'm the one griefing". lolol this is too funny
@genuine-heather said in Griefers:
@xpial By your reply, you’re either a griefer yourself, or have no clue. Griefers aren’t playing the same game. Rules don’t matter, skill doesn’t matter. Their intent is to ruin the game for others. Period. I have no problem with the PvP environment. But even with PvP, the idea is we’re playing a game together for the purpose of mutual enjoyment. If one party is deriving enjoyment from depriving others of theirs, that’s griefing. Unfortunately, it seems to be a sign of the times.
unfortunately, with PVP you also have to have to fun losing. Or else you'll see the other side as griefers.
@savagetwinky said in Griefers:
@genuine-heather said in Griefers:
@xpial By your reply, you’re either a griefer yourself, or have no clue. Griefers aren’t playing the same game. Rules don’t matter, skill doesn’t matter. Their intent is to ruin the game for others. Period. I have no problem with the PvP environment. But even with PvP, the idea is we’re playing a game together for the purpose of mutual enjoyment. If one party is deriving enjoyment from depriving others of theirs, that’s griefing. Unfortunately, it seems to be a sign of the times.
unfortunately, with PVP you also have to have to fun losing. Or else you'll see the other side as griefers.
I don’t have a problem losing. But there’s a really clear difference between losing to someone you’re having fun with, and losing to someone who’s sole intent is to ruin the game for you. It’s a simple matter of good sportsmanship. A worthy rival is welcome. A griefer is never welcome. Like I said, griefers aren’t playing the same game. There’s also a fine line between playing the game and abusing game mechanics. I think if the griefing continues, Rare will at some point be forced to make changes some people are not going to like. You’ll have the griefers to blame when that happens. But some people seem to be simply incapable of being decent human beings. That’s the real shame.
@genuine-heather said in Griefers:
@savagetwinky said in Griefers:
@genuine-heather said in Griefers:
@xpial By your reply, you’re either a griefer yourself, or have no clue. Griefers aren’t playing the same game. Rules don’t matter, skill doesn’t matter. Their intent is to ruin the game for others. Period. I have no problem with the PvP environment. But even with PvP, the idea is we’re playing a game together for the purpose of mutual enjoyment. If one party is deriving enjoyment from depriving others of theirs, that’s griefing. Unfortunately, it seems to be a sign of the times.
unfortunately, with PVP you also have to have to fun losing. Or else you'll see the other side as griefers.
I don’t have a problem losing. But there’s a really clear difference between losing to someone you’re having with, and losing to someone who’s sole intent is to ruin the game for you. It’s a simple matter of good sportsmanship. A worthy rival is welcome. A griefer is never welcome. Like I said, griefers aren’t playing the same game. There’s also a fine line between playing the game and abusing game mechanics. I think if the griefing continues, Rare will at some point be forced to make changes some people are not going to like. You’ll have the griefers to blame when that happens. But some people seem to be simply incapable of being decent human beings. That’s the real shame.
No, there isn't. losing is losing regardless of the other person's intent. It's how you perceive and take it.
@savagetwinky said in Griefers:
@genuine-heather said in Griefers:
@savagetwinky said in Griefers:
@genuine-heather said in Griefers:
@xpial By your reply, you’re either a griefer yourself, or have no clue. Griefers aren’t playing the same game. Rules don’t matter, skill doesn’t matter. Their intent is to ruin the game for others. Period. I have no problem with the PvP environment. But even with PvP, the idea is we’re playing a game together for the purpose of mutual enjoyment. If one party is deriving enjoyment from depriving others of theirs, that’s griefing. Unfortunately, it seems to be a sign of the times.
unfortunately, with PVP you also have to have to fun losing. Or else you'll see the other side as griefers.
I don’t have a problem losing. But there’s a really clear difference between losing to someone you’re having with, and losing to someone who’s sole intent is to ruin the game for you. It’s a simple matter of good sportsmanship. A worthy rival is welcome. A griefer is never welcome. Like I said, griefers aren’t playing the same game. There’s also a fine line between playing the game and abusing game mechanics. I think if the griefing continues, Rare will at some point be forced to make changes some people are not going to like. You’ll have the griefers to blame when that happens. But some people seem to be simply incapable of being decent human beings. That’s the real shame.
No, there isn't. losing is losing regardless of the other person's intent. It's how you perceive and take it.
I disagree. You’re conflating someone beating you at the game with someone going out of their way to disrupt your game. They are different things and pretty easily distinguishable. The object of a game is for everyone to have fun. If someone is intentionally trying to stop someone else from enjoying the game, that’s griefing. Intent absolutely does matter. Intent is everything.
@genuine-heather said in Griefers:
@savagetwinky said in Griefers:
@genuine-heather said in Griefers:
@savagetwinky said in Griefers:
@genuine-heather said in Griefers:
@xpial By your reply, you’re either a griefer yourself, or have no clue. Griefers aren’t playing the same game. Rules don’t matter, skill doesn’t matter. Their intent is to ruin the game for others. Period. I have no problem with the PvP environment. But even with PvP, the idea is we’re playing a game together for the purpose of mutual enjoyment. If one party is deriving enjoyment from depriving others of theirs, that’s griefing. Unfortunately, it seems to be a sign of the times.
unfortunately, with PVP you also have to have to fun losing. Or else you'll see the other side as griefers.
I don’t have a problem losing. But there’s a really clear difference between losing to someone you’re having with, and losing to someone who’s sole intent is to ruin the game for you. It’s a simple matter of good sportsmanship. A worthy rival is welcome. A griefer is never welcome. Like I said, griefers aren’t playing the same game. There’s also a fine line between playing the game and abusing game mechanics. I think if the griefing continues, Rare will at some point be forced to make changes some people are not going to like. You’ll have the griefers to blame when that happens. But some people seem to be simply incapable of being decent human beings. That’s the real shame.
No, there isn't. losing is losing regardless of the other person's intent. It's how you perceive and take it.
I disagree. You’re conflating someone beating you at the game with someone going out of their way to disrupt your game. They are different things and pretty easily distinguishable. The object of a game is for everyone to have fun. If someone is intentionally trying to stop someone else from enjoying the game, that’s griefing. Intent absolutely does matter. Intent is everything.
That's the entire point of the PVP and pirating in this game. Going out of your way for a fight and potential rewards. Or even just a little bit of excitement if you're bored of voyaging.
The intent doesn't matter. It's PvP, you're supposed to defend yourself anyway.
@hopes-guardian said in Griefers:
@savagetwinky ANY other Open PvP game has safe areas, and manages just fine
Except those safe areas wouldn't allow you to do a world event a bunch of hostile players are hanger out at... and those are World PvP games that are also MMO's... which have substantially different reasons for space.
There is only one space in SoT and its meant for open PvP... the turn areas area's are contested.
@hopes-guardian said in Griefers:
@savagetwinky The truth? The truth is Rare had absolutely no idea what they were getting into, I mean what was their last release? Kinect Sports?
They got no expert advise and as a Studio that made Single Player games, they were going to run into this issue.
The game and premise they have frequently flip flopped on since it's inception. Hence they had to immediately push out anti griefer systems and still have yet to place anti cheat sys.That's not the truth. You dislike the game. Its a big arena/pirate sandbox with open pvp with short form play, no voyages or state carries over to the next apart from rep/cash. Its just a bigger version of something like Battlefield with asynchronous targets. If you treat this like an MMO.. it's not. If you dislike the game it doesn't mean its a bad game. Games aren't meant for everyone.
@hopes-guardian said in Griefers:
@savagetwinky Usually that's what a grouping que is for. 😉
What? You have a "grouping" queue in SoT... it's called matchmaking.
@hopes-guardian said in Griefers:
@savagetwinky I absolutely love this game, I just actually want it to succeed. If the griefers are allowed to c**p on everyone, then people will leave. Updates will stop. The game will die. Just because my opinion differs from yours, it doesn't mean I dislike the game, that's a ridiculous assumption to make.
Ok but the game is a PvP game. If you don't learn to deal with hostile players that can intervene in your enjoyment... it's not the type of game for you. Every PvP game I've played, not FPS arena games, the world PvP can grind your progress to a halt for an evening. That's not griefing. I've had to skip out on many nights because a little bit of hostility blew up into a bloodbath... It's what you're signing up for.
There are plenty of better games for players that want to play unimpeded by other players. PvP is... always going to have that element of being stopped. That's what PvP is. That's part of the fun. Even being on the defensive. That is part of the PvP.
@hopes-guardian said in Griefers:
@savagetwinky I have to retire for the evening, I see where you are coming from I really do.
I'm just not ready to give up on the griefing issue myself, I just find it a little cynical.
I'll just leave this at we both got our separate opinions on this, both are valid, and I hope Rare are listening to everyone.Well regardless of opinion... being stopped is a fact of PvP. If you haven't accepted that as a reality every time you log in you don't know what game your playing.
Rare built a game designed around making world PvP work without allowing players to over power other player cough gta cough
I understand the frustration of griefers. It is unavoidable sometimes, but there are some things you can do to mitigate the grief and maybe even make friends with the griefers.
I have found that 9/10 if you can make them laugh you have won them on your side. If you victimize yourself or complain, you immediately make them feel validated and excited to keep killing you. Instead, go crazy. Keep coming back over and over again with a gimmick.
I came across some griefers on an outpost and I kept coming back over and over with tankard in hand screaming about being cursed and needing to get it to the pub so i can get hammered and pass the curse on to a pour soul who gets hit with my puke.
I've won over griefers by spreading the good word of our Lord and savior the spacesquatch, a astronaut sasquatch. Sure I may have been killed 3 or 4 times in the process, but the less importance I placed on my death, the more the griefers were just like, "This guy is insane.... let's see what kind of adventure he can take us on."
Sure, you will get the ones who are just angry, call you a bad name and harass you no matter what, but most of the time it is a bunch of kids who think it's funny to kill people. Instead, be funnier than that idea and they will join you and adventure will be had.
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