Someone has to say it; The brig is absolutely useless and trash.

  • The only thing the bring is used for is purely trolling, and, almost exclusively by groups. Further compounding the uselessness of it is the fact that the person in the brig still gets full credit for Voyages.

    What this means is that in the Unicorn of situations where usage of the brig is warranted, there really is no punishment for being in it, you literally get full reward while others do ALL the work. The only benefit to this is that it makes staying connected while being "trolled" in the brig 'worth' it - in that you get credit for the trolls work.

    However, no matter the situation, it is completely pointless, and is actually going to be abused and have a hugely negative outcome on the game.

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  • i believe i read somewhere that getting rewards while in the brig was actually a bug. ill try to find it.
    EDIT: @Suave-Beard sorry, not a bug, but the devs are aware of this and have addressed it with an AFK timeout. https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/32085/monthly-insider-report-january-2018-and-yes-it-s-late-sorry check here under brig section

  • @mistavanvleck said in Someone has to say it; The brig is absolutely useless and trash.:

    i believe i read somewhere that getting rewards while in the brig was actually a bug. ill try to find it

    The ONLY thing mitigating the trolling is the fact you get credit while in the brig. If they keep the brig and patch out getting credit for it, the game will sink faster than the Titanic, the trolling is that bad.

  • Haha, you can't play the game because there's 3 of us and 1 of you. That's going to get old fast.

  • A brig with a full and productive crew is awesome. Productive crew being the important factor

  • @sobergrub said in Someone has to say it; The brig is absolutely useless and trash.:

    A brig with a full and productive crew is awesome. Productive crew being the important factor

    My mistake.....By brig I thought you meant galleon.
    The brig is still ok for teaching trolls on your ship a lesson

  • @flowerofcarnage said in Someone has to say it; The brig is absolutely useless and trash.:

    Haha, you can't play the game because there's 3 of us and 1 of you. That's going to get old fast.

    This is pretty much how every SoT games ends up.

    If you go solo into a Galleon you will end up in the brig and having a bunch of high pitched squeakers on the mic.

  • @suave-beard Youre not the first person to that, and you certainly wont be the last.

  • @mistavanvleck I think an AFK timer is not the right solution at all. It's really easy to just emote and tilt your controller down on the bed with the right thumbstick swirling your camera around. I think going AFK should be allowed. There are legitimate times where you should be allowed to go AFK without worrying about getting DQ'd.

    It just adds a problem on top of an existing problem. Frankly, you should just be able to kick players from the crew. The brig is a horrible solution through and through. Consider this scenario: You and your crew of friends have been going at it and have dozens of treasures on your ship. Your friend gets disconnected due to an internet/power shortage. Before they can join back, a rando joins your crew, sees the amount of chests you have, and refuses to leave when you politely explain the situation because they want to cash in on your hours of work. The brig system will always fail at dealing with this situation. The vote to kick will always succeed at this situation. If you are being brigged, then you are unwanted, so why would you want to play with those players anyways? Vote to kick just elegantly saves a step for you without making both parties even angrier.

  • Also i dont know why there is one on the sloop as noone can be put into it😂😂

  • @mate-fh3 ..... Yet.... Nobody can be put in it yet....

    ;D

  • @musicmee yet.... 😂

  • The brig is excellent.. to suggest people to leave the session.. ahah. Or if they're not listening our suggestions.. if someone is using something to block others from use it.

    Or a practical example:

    You have a crew. You encounter other ship and just want to chill, with no fights. But one of your crew has a mental collapse and starts to attack the others for no reason.. what do you do?
    Start a fight with the other crew who's been nice to you and you were having a good time, or punish that crew member for doing it?

    Obviously punishing that player. How?
    Brig!!!

    If he return to his senses. He can go out. If not, he earn the money but do not really enjoy the game.

  • Ive posted many times. When you get sent to the brig you should not be able to get gold or use anything. This will stop so many issues with people staying in the to troll your crew and not do any work.

  • @mate-fh3 I think they're planning on letting more than 2 people on the sloop in the final release fingers crossed

  • @dudemanguy1 said in Someone has to say it; The brig is absolutely useless and trash.:

    @mate-fh3 I think they're planning on letting more than 2 people on the sloop in the final release fingers crossed

    Isnt the point of the sloop to have small crews.

  • @shaggiedo I think the point is it's operable by a small crew of 1 or 2 unlike the galleon, but not limited to a small crew. From an IGN article:

    "One element of how crews work will change from the beta to the main game, however. One player could now sail a four-person galleon alone, using the game's "Make Friends" emote to manually gather a crew. On the other hand, four people could use one small sloop - Chapman explains that this could even be used as a surprise attack tactic."

    http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/02/13/sea-of-thieves-dev-explains-why-the-maximum-crew-size-is

  • @dudemanguy1 said in Someone has to say it; The brig is absolutely useless and trash.:

    @shaggiedo I think the point is it's operable by a small crew of 1 or 2 unlike the galleon, but not limited to a small crew. From an IGN article:

    "One element of how crews work will change from the beta to the main game, however. One player could now sail a four-person galleon alone, using the game's "Make Friends" emote to manually gather a crew. On the other hand, four people could use one small sloop - Chapman explains that this could even be used as a surprise attack tactic."

    Thanks for the quote. I dont really mind the change up. Makes me wonder though if they'll officiate that why they are so reticant about 6-8 crews.

  • @shaggiedo sure thing mate. I edited in a link, it talks about why they keep the max crew size at 4 as well. It's, oddly enough for a pirate game lol, a friendship thing. They think anything bigger and it's not as intimate and easy to play with all friends.

    Plus in my opinion can you imagine 6 people on a galleon vs a 2 or 3 man sloop?? One guy steering, one on sails/bailing, and three on cannons (°_°). They'd eat a sloop probably lol

  • @dudemanguy1 Got it thanks for your effort.

  • @shaggiedo alt text

  • @dudemanguy1 Sorry to bother you, but link doesnt seem to work, at least not for me.

  • @shaggiedo no problem! It's acting strange for me too, my bad. Try just googling "ign sea of thieves crew size". The article is from Feb. 13 and should be one of the first things that pops up.

  • @dudemanguy1 Excellant will do, happy sailing.

  • @suave-beard I've had to use the brig before. We had a really toxic player who was throwing our chests off the back of the ship constantly dropping the anchor (would hold it back so you couldn't raise it). So we brig'd him and he proceeded to call us everything racial under the sun. Said he was going to hack our locations and murder us. Lol. Anyway we muted him and went on our way as a 3 man crew.

    While we would have liked a useful 4th man at least he couldn't be disruptive.

  • @suave-beard we just had a guy join our galleon we had 3 already we took fight with a sloop the random 4th guy joined grabbed our captains chest and started putting them on the enemy ship only thing we could do was brig him but he will still get rewarded for griefing us. once there brigged there should be another option that pops up to kick from crew.

  • @dudemanguy1 4man sloop😂😂😂

  • I made a very detailed post suggesting a system that largely remedied a lot of these issues. It was complicated, but much better justified and much better at preventing trolling. The response to it was largely negative, not through oppsition to the idea but through opposition to what the idea was assumed to be. There was a great deal of mudslinging, name calling and accusation. Unfortunately the community as a whole just doesn't sport the level of objectivity and maturity needed to approach an issue like this. You're all just going to have to wait for RARE to get around to sorting it.

    @Natsu-v2 makes a good point with a random filling the space of a disconnected player. He offers a simple solution. Vote to kick. Rule: you can only vote to kick a player within the first 5 minutes of them being on your crew. That's fair then.

    2 things that will definately help: 3 man crew setting and removal of free to play players.

  • @mate-fh3 Ikr?? At that point I think it'll be more like fish in a barrel than actually provide any advantage lol

  • @inbred-chimera How voting to kick a player being available only for the first 5 minutes of the crew's life be fair ?
    Ye tell me I cannot get any problems for messing about the crew once "trust" has been earned; then I'll make sure to through all treasures off the ship at sea 40 minutes in the game. while no one sees, Then jump of the boat at the front letting everyone see with the last chest in me hand!

  • @ironuzuka Like the brig system, a system to kick would be abused. Potentially more than used as intended. If you can only kick within 5 minutes, it can't be abused, because if you're in a game for 5 minutes and get kicked, you've only lost / wasted 5 minutes, even if you didn't deserve to.

    If you want a system to kick at all times, then you need a better system, just like the birg system. 'Letting the players judge' is no a suitable solution, as we can tell from the consistant complaint threads regarding the brig system.

  • The only "Vote-2-Kick" System that is fair is when an unanimous vote is required. For a 4-man team all 3 must vote to kick.

    The Rationale:
    1.) When the entire Team does not want you as a player on their team, then you will not have any fun playing with them, no matter how much the game enforces it. - That is: no fun except causing grief. You might as well get over it and join a different crew.
    2.) Getting kicked off the crew should put you in a queue for other crews on that server. This allows you (and the crew who kicked you) to sort it out in a fair combat on the waves in accordance with the Pirate Code!
    Maybe make Vote-to-kick cost some of your chests.

    The only other option I would think could work better than not is a vote to disband the entire current crew - essentially kicking yourself and everyone else back into the match making. All Chests should be lost to ensure fairness.

  • The brig was a cute idea if we lived in Fairville but unfortunately its nothing but trash here i agree.
    All the problems could be solved ( and might on launch i dont know) with a better MM tool.
    Let people click what they want from language, coms,time zone, whatever then let like minded people be teamed up by preferences.
    Have a box you can check that will place you anywhere after xx amount of time searching if you want.
    Then just make a kick player option and reward the kicked player % of reward relevant to the time he was in the group. That way they cant kick u before turn ins .
    I would also suggest only being able to vote to kick player while at an outpost.

  • @dudemanguy1 maybe some future plans?

  • @suave-beard nope, not true. sent a couple kids to the brig this weekend when they goofed off. we played music, got drunk, and puked on them... upon their release they were better teammates due to the experience🤗

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