At this point rare is officially insane because The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, and honestly giving the game more useless updates and things no one asked for (grapple gun blow dart crouching) and insisting on keeping it in their game, I don’t know why rare can’t take a break from the seasons and just focus on server stability, it’s honestly a joke that they continue to lie to us in these developer updates, maybe if people stop buying emporium junk that gives no benefits to in game play as is, that would force rare to focus on the game itself, you would think rare would’ve taken a lesson from how disastrous the burning blade was at launch, it’s like they decided to double down and make season 14 worse, sea of thieves is one of my favorite games, it’s honestly sad seeing the developers kill their own game,
A few things I think they can do to help improve this game is cut off older consoles. Get rid of seasons, and actually focus on hackers and ban evasion,
Stop buying emporium and season passes
cut off older consoles
That's not their decision to make, since Microsoft owns Rare.
If MS says SoT has to support older Microsoft consoles; Rare has to obey.Get rid of seasons
And then other people will be complaining that the game is getting stale, just like you're complaining that seasons should go away.
Someone will always be unhappy.and actually focus on hackers and ban evasion
Who's to say they're not? No anti-cheat is foolproof, and I'd bet that, for every hacker seen in-game, there's at least 10 banned before they ruined anyone's gaming session.
But confirmation bias; people run into 1 hacker & assume the game is 'flooded'. And complain that 'hackers are everywhere'.
To say nothing of the times players assume someone is hacking when they're just upset they lost.@thefinalist8256
I get you're upset. Many are. And there are some valid points.But:
Less money = less resources = less content = less updates. In the end, that benefits noone. Not Rare, nor us as players.Also:
cut off older consoles
Luckily I'm not playing on an old console but a PC. Or I'd most likely tell you to stick it. Don't even need to say up where. Just being honest.
Get rid of seasons
Many other people have similar mindset and some good points regarding this. I can understand that. Not pro nor against it. Someone will always complain.
focus on hackers and ban evasion
I'm not personally affected much by it. Fighting this is good for the overall health, and especially for HG competition, with that I agree. On the other hand, we got no stats to know how much they're already invested in it. We just can't measure it.
@guildar9194 if they wanna do things for cosmetic rewards that should be fine but adding new content should be the last thing they need to focus on, every they add is either completely broken, or it breaks something completely different,
With all these updates rare is constantly adding its to much for older consoles their are ton of Microsoft games that are certain consoles only (including pc) but don’t allow Original councils, if sea of thrives wants to survive and fix theses issues that’s something that they are gonna need to fix
Also I understand no anti cheat is 1000% and I understand that their are ton of people who can’t accept a loss against a good player, I just think this is something they can’t just say it’s good enough, they should always be evolving it,
@R3vanNS older councils can’t handle this game anymore, with everything rare adds and continues to add the older councils just struggle and put to much stress on the servers their are tons of games where it’s only Xbox s/x ps5, this would also help allow rare to possibly change to a better game engine in the future
@thefinalist8256 said in Stop buying emporium and season passes:
@R3vanNS older councils can’t handle this game anymore, with everything rare adds and continues to add the older councils just struggle and put to much stress on the servers their are tons of games where it’s only Xbox s/x ps5, this would also help allow rare to possibly change to a better game engine in the future
Not gonna lie, I'd love seeing SoT on Unreal 5. I just don't believe it will happen for at least a year or 2, some chance for even longer. Whether it be a as a part of (maybe) SoT 2, or instead moving all the assets to UE 5.
Just saying that until it happens, I believe a lot of old-gen console people won't agree with your statement on that part hahaha
@r3vanns no they won’t, but if rare wants this game to work they can’t have older systems to work, I get not everybody is made of money but a used series s isnt that much anymore,
@look-behind-you j get that, but if rare was to start implementing a new engine it be way easier on new systems then older ones, I would never expect rare to give us a working update let alone switching an entire game engine in one update,
@thefinalist8256 You don't just 'start implementing a new engine'.
I imagine it would likely require a total rebuild/new game, which would take years rather than a couple of 'updates'.
@look-behind-you I get that, in no way would I ever expect rare to over night it in any way, we are in agreement with that, but I’m just saying it would still improve server quality. And give them a chance to bring in or start preparing to bring in a new engine, again, it won’t be a over night thing and it might require a week or so for servers to be down, but the option would be there
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Had a good chuckle seeing you tagging yourself :'DBut yea...regarding this:
And give them a chance to bring in or start preparing to bring in a new engine
- Not giving them money, def wouldn't help with that
- For all we know, they're maybe already cooking.
Bottom line - I'm not a big fan of some decent number of things Rare does. This season is indeed rocky and problematic, and they're under fire from all sides. I'm still hopeful though that after they finally push through this, they'll be able to start sorting out many topics, including the ones you've mentioned. We'll see.
@thefinalist8256 Again, I'm not entirely sure a new engine would have any impact on the servers....
Someone saying online that 'X, Y, or Z' is the fix to everything....is not always the way, especially if they speak with no knowledge on the subject.
honestly giving the game more useless updates and things no one asked for (grapple gun blow dart crouching)
Players asked for these things though.
players didn’t ask a lot of things but they did anyways, because “required”I don’t know why rare can’t take a break from the seasons and just focus on server stability
You must of been here when they did just that. Spent a good 3+ months with just trying to fix things. No lore update, no seasons, no changes.
Community did not like those days.honestly a joke that they continue to lie to us in these developer updates
Difference between a lie and not foreseeing an outcome that changes everything. Things happen that were overlooked
Get rid of seasons, and actually focus on hackers and ban evasion,
How would this fix the games lag?
maybe if people stop buying emporium junk that gives no benefits to in game play as is, that would force rare to focus on the game itself
So if I stop shopping. That means the next update might cost me?? No thanks.
Again, I'm not entirely sure a new engine would have any impact on the servers....
Exactly. I'm gonna give not even a gaming example.
Previous company I've worked was forcing VPN through Azure servers and usage of MS Teams. Until they upgraded (acquired more of them)... When under stress, I couldn't send a damn message without waiting for 10 sec for the app to recognize it, not to mention all the rollback issues and other glitches. Let alone working on any support tickets I get on Zendesk.
In MS TEAMS! Now think gaming terms and complexity.
And it was so obvious it was happening always at the same time, when 2 shifts are overlapping. The moment one party finishes their shifts and start logging out, immediately better performance, no freezing, no delay.
After upgrade? Doesn't matter what time of the day. Great performance all the time.
A food for thought.
Taking away a source of revenue isn't going to make them work harder. If anything, it will make their superiors upset and put more unhealthy pressure on them. These are professionals who are already doing difficult and niche work.
I'm actually super happy for crouching, throwing knives, bone callers, and the upcoming traps.
Yeah, the game has issues but they're less severe than the dolphin-diving, supply-stealing, client-side-hit-markers in the past.
Not really sure where this unnecessary anger comes from and taking it out on all the wrong things. Seasons? Yes, but finishing when Rare are ready and confident the build is stable and good for next season. Season Passes? Obviously they stay. It’s clear Rare can’t handle timetabled content schedules, they've failed at it in every iteration: monthly updates, adventures, mysteries, seasons. Just bring the content out when it’s ready, and focus on monthly emporium/outpost cosmetics to keep us happy, sprinkled along with community events so we’re not bored. It’s pretty much already happening.
It's not just them going in a loop, it's many in the feedback community going right along with them.
It's the same thing over and over again. Feedback escalates, devs say words, feedback community acts like they got some win from the acknowledgement, SoT has less engagement till it starts all over again. Not much of substance changes.
The reality is that them spending so long focused on stuff like hit reg for years likely played a part in getting behind (along with other things) and same goes for cheating and toxicity. None of which they were ever gonna solve or change much.
I dunno why some long term players wanna spend their last few seasons caught up in all the theatrics of it all. Makes sense to just have whatever fun there is left to have then bounce when the time feels right. Most of us aren't doing this as a job, we aren't stuck in a "broken game".
Many of us on the long term play side of things have been watching people we know tap out for years at this point. There isn't some situation where everyone returns and it's one big party again.
Find some fun on the way out rather than try to contribute to worsening the struggles that exist, imo. Cutting off funds doesn't fix anything.
As far as seasons go I don't think they work out well but people (regs) didn't really start bouncing out of here until season 7. That's the season significance in the game started to drop significantly due to their decisions. Making things not really matter means that less and less people care about the reward and the pursuit of that reward.
I completely understand your frustration, and you're not alone in feeling this way. Sea of Thieves has a lot of potential, and when things don't meet expectations, it can be really disheartening. However, just because the updates might feel unnecessary or frustrating at times doesn’t mean Rare isn’t working hard behind the scenes.
When it comes to the game engine, I get where you're coming from about the older consoles holding things back. The reality is that the devs are constantly balancing between keeping things accessible to all players and pushing forward with new tech. I do believe that if they focus more on server stability and less on cosmetic content for a while, it would improve the overall experience for everyone.
As for hackers and ban evasion, you're right, it's a never-ending battle. But Rare is constantly evolving the anti-cheat system, and while it may not be perfect, it’s better than nothing. It might not solve everything immediately, but you’re right that they can’t let it slide.
Ultimately, I think what we all want is for Sea of Thieves to thrive and reach its potential. I agree with you that Rare should focus more on stability and core gameplay, but I also think the ongoing updates and additions, even if not perfect, show that they’re committed to growing the game. It’s just going to take time.
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@thefinalist8256 said in Stop buying emporium and season passes:
At this point rare is officially insane because The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, and honestly giving the game more useless updates and things no one asked for (grapple gun blow dart crouching)
These two things have literally been requested since release (for crouching) and since the introduction of harpoons on ships (for grapple gun)
and insisting on keeping it in their game, I don’t know why rare can’t take a break from the seasons and just focus on server stability, it’s honestly a joke that they continue to lie to us in these developer updates.
Its not necessarily lying when they have all the good intentions in the world to actually deliver on it, however yes it is getting silly that they get it wrong so many times.
Also, Rare has multiple different teams working on multiple different things, some are working on s14 stuff, others on s15, another team probably on s16 then there is an live events team. Just some of the teams, there is also a team working on game/server stability.
And while yes, this has been going on way too long, it is of no uses to stop the other teams from working on future stuff and put all those people on the stability team. That will not lead to more progression towards the issues we are experiencing. That is simply nit how software/game development works
However since they really have been dropping the ball lately it would be a good thing to just release a named update just focused on issues. However you should realise if they do such a thing it is just done for public opinion nothing more nothing less, since all the other feature development will have been continuing in the background.
maybe if people stop buying emporium junk that gives no benefits to in game play as is, that would force rare to focus on the game itself,
Or it would just shutdown any and all development at a certain point, you have to realise Sea of thieves will only be a thing for as long as Rare and Microsoft can make money from it.
If that ends, SoT ends.
you would think rare would’ve taken a lesson from how disastrous the burning blade was at launch, it’s like they decided to double down and make season 14 worse.
While the roll out for S14 was worse in a sense that they prevented the most game breaking issues to hit release (like they had with s13 burning blade exploit).
So its a sign of progression that the issues get caught before hitting retail, even though it is getting silly at this point with how many times it happened in s14 alone.
sea of thieves is one of my favorite games, it’s honestly sad seeing the developers kill their own game,
Agreed
A few things I think they can do to help improve this game is cut off older consoles. Get rid of seasons, and actually focus on hackers and ban evasion,
The latter 2 parts where talked about on the last dev update, they are on that. However for the ban evading they are also/mostly reliant on the Xbox online services. And they are working with those teams.
Cutting off older consoles doesnt necessarily help since the minimum system requirements for pc are still lower then the XBox specs
@thefinalist8256 said in Stop buying emporium and season passes:
At this point rare is officially insane because The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, and honestly giving the game more useless updates and things no one asked for (grapple gun blow dart crouching) and insisting on keeping it in their game, I don’t know why rare can’t take a break from the seasons and just focus on server stability, it’s honestly a joke that they continue to lie to us in these developer updates, maybe if people stop buying emporium junk that gives no benefits to in game play as is, that would force rare to focus on the game itself, you would think rare would’ve taken a lesson from how disastrous the burning blade was at launch, it’s like they decided to double down and make season 14 worse, sea of thieves is one of my favorite games, it’s honestly sad seeing the developers kill their own game,
A few things I think they can do to help improve this game is cut off older consoles. Get rid of seasons, and actually focus on hackers and ban evasion,Where and when did they lie to us? If you mean how today's patch was supposed to go live, I'd rather they make sure game-breaking bugs are fixed instead of having to pull everything down again, right?
"Emporium junk" as you call it, gives no benefits to the game play..along with titles, commendations, achievements, and faction rep. Also, there are multiple teams working on different aspects of the game, one having nothing to do with the other.
The only thing "disastrous" about the Burning Blade at launch, came from those who chose to exploit it. Everything worked as intended for my friends and I when it first launched.
Once again this has been asked and answered in several other threads (just like the definition of insanity), older consoles do nothing to affect the servers. Also, Rare is already working with EAC to deal with hackers and ban evaders, however it's a constant battle with cheat developers, who try to find ways around it. What else do you want Rare to do here?
