Dark adventures sails pay to win?

@dankvoodoo said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

Finaly Someone actually gets to the core of this click bait post!
How many people I see sailing these just because they think it gives advantage and then new players who think that's what makes the difference its despicable I could get behind the Idea of removing them but rare doesn't do that ae the killer instinct sails still spell out kkk on the galleon bu it's always been a thing where the most toxic portion of the community is the loudest and if the sweaty pvp players don't want an even playing field and the pve players want there trophies to stay special no one will ever agree it the sea of thievesers aka the rounded players who see these things as a problem I just think everyone should have access to sails in the DA shape its pretty basic and would end the dumb argument

LOOOOOOOLLL
This may be a bit of-topic but I just now realize the KKK XD

@dankvoodoo said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

people use them to be racist period there's not alot more to it.

like what? twice?

the least used ship with one of the least used cosmetics (outside of when they were new)

@dankvoodoo said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

@wolfmanbush
Alot of the community just doesn't want to change the meta it's just like the year one blunderbus & sword nerf absolutely necessary

The DA sails are a fine example of the devs miss understanding why people like something they said it's because of their color scheme but as most people have said their ugly alot of people feel like it gives advantages but people here are saying otherwise so why are they currently the most ran sails?

I dunno if they are the most used, they are around but they've never been as overwhelmingly common as some suggest, in my experience.

Some people worked hard for their sails, some like them, some peacock, some think they are an advantage, plenty use them for convenience while sailing around outside of combat.

@goldsmen said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

@lormiun said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

@gallerine5582 Downplaying this advantage is one thing. Denying it another.
What you say about it not mattering in PvP is definitely VERY debatable.
In my opinion, when it comes to PvP: EVERY SECOND COUNTS!!!
And don't play the "psychological warfare"-card here. That maybe works for your outfit ... but not for the DA-Sails.
But ok, let's forget all of that for a moment.

Because you know what's not debatable?
The fact that a VERY DISPROPORTIONATE amount of ppl seemingly use them to an almost excessive degree ...

If you actually think [and that goes to every DA-Issue-denier] that all of them just "fail to see your PoV" about them not actually being an advantage,
...
then you are an ***** ... cough* cough* ... then you are wrong :)

I would not say it is a down play to say the advantage is minimal or almost none when you consider it only advantages an already disadvantaged playstyle, and if you dont use said disadvantaged playstyle, then the advantage does not exist for you.

As for people using it exclusively over other sails, you need only look at players of any game as a whole. The second some one screams meta, everyone grabs it and screams it them selves, you need only look at the pile of double gunners who use it because its meta, but still complain that sword is op against double gun. People dont care if the meta is not actually super amazing, all they care about is that they are following the meta, and according to the very same people who call the sword op against their meta, da sails are also meta even though they spend well over half their time off the ship failing their board attempt for the 7th time in a row.

The sails arnt used a lot because they are actually a major advantage, they are used a lot because some one who just watched pace or some other partner say the word, that infamous word that means so little... "META".

I must confess, the level of ignorance here is once again mind blowing.

You are actually one of those that thinks that they are all just sheep.
That they are all just using it because ppl like me MAKE them believe in an advantage even though there is seemingly none.

You actually think we are all that dumb?
Let me ask you this: IF SO: Do you actually think you are that much smarter?
That YOU are the one preaching the "truth" here?

You see, among the things we can learn from history is that: It is pretty hard not to believe your own eyes.
And when it comes to the DA-Sails, this saying could not be further from the truth.

So get off your high horse.
There is an advantage and it is UNIGNORABLE!
You want to know what actually is ignorable? E.g. To use the default flintlock over the Seadog flintlock.
THAT is an ignorable advantage.

BUT NOT THE DA-SAILS!
Unless you simply don't know what you are talking about (if you are one of the many exclusive Sloop-Sailors for example),
then claiming something else is most likely simply a lie stemming from a varying degree of rather questionable motives,
and nothing else.

@d3adst1ck said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

If the cut is a problem, remove it. Easy solution. It's weird to me that someone who's constantly posting about this wants to make the problem worse by applying it to every sail.

The answer is simple: Because that would remove a huge QoL-Improvement.
Not to mention that it would make A LOT of ppl VERY angry.
It would be a solution yes, but the easy way is in this case definitely not the right way.

Such an amazing improvement should be capitalized on, and not wasted, just because atm it is used in a detrimental way.
It would NOT make the problem worse, it would solve it in the most elegant way possible and transform it into an amazing feature.
The ability to select sail-shapes similar to cannon-flares on its own transcends the DA-Issue itself.

You see it leads us back to the obvious: WHY do you think so many ppl use the DA-Sails?
There is exactly one core-reason: Because they make sailing more enjoyable. Period.

@d3adst1ck said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

@lormiun said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

The ability to select sail-shapes similar to cannon-flares on its own transcends the DA-Issue itself.

If the sail shape is an advantage as you claim, there is no really selection. You choose the one with the advantage. The only fix is to remove it so that everything is balanced. Or are you not actually looking for balance?

Is it that hard to think a bit outside of the box.

BUT ok. They way you see it that is true, everybody would use the Cut.
HOWEVER: Even if we restricted ourselves to just that, it would still be much better than the Status-Q where everybody ALREADY uses the Cut BUT it simultaneously ruins customization + if you wish to purposefully handycap yourself just to be funny or make a point, you could ofc still do that by not using it. Similar to the parrot-cannons and other ... ... ... not so "meta" cosmetics XD

BUT why the hell would we restrict ourselves to that?
There could be more than just the one cut.
You could have a wave-pattern, a torn-patter, a ripped-pattern.
3 would already be enough to actually provide the variability we so crave. Whatever the budget of Rare allows.

But EVEN if it was just one, and that one would replace the classic default-shape entirely.
It still wouldn't see that much of a problem with that. It's called progress.

And by your definition: "every sail will have the same shape". THAT would be balance -.-

You know who ACTUALLY might not be looking for balance?
Sloopers that want this Cut removed in order to nerf larger ships thus indirectly making them stronger?

COULD that actually be the motivation of so many of those that deny this?!
How about you?

@goldsmen said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

@lormiun said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

@goldsmen said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

@lormiun said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

@gallerine5582 Downplaying this advantage is one thing. Denying it another.
What you say about it not mattering in PvP is definitely VERY debatable.
In my opinion, when it comes to PvP: EVERY SECOND COUNTS!!!
And don't play the "psychological warfare"-card here. That maybe works for your outfit ... but not for the DA-Sails.
But ok, let's forget all of that for a moment.

Because you know what's not debatable?
The fact that a VERY DISPROPORTIONATE amount of ppl seemingly use them to an almost excessive degree ...

If you actually think [and that goes to every DA-Issue-denier] that all of them just "fail to see your PoV" about them not actually being an advantage,
...
then you are an ***** ... cough* cough* ... then you are wrong :)

I would not say it is a down play to say the advantage is minimal or almost none when you consider it only advantages an already disadvantaged playstyle, and if you dont use said disadvantaged playstyle, then the advantage does not exist for you.

As for people using it exclusively over other sails, you need only look at players of any game as a whole. The second some one screams meta, everyone grabs it and screams it them selves, you need only look at the pile of double gunners who use it because its meta, but still complain that sword is op against double gun. People dont care if the meta is not actually super amazing, all they care about is that they are following the meta, and according to the very same people who call the sword op against their meta, da sails are also meta even though they spend well over half their time off the ship failing their board attempt for the 7th time in a row.

The sails arnt used a lot because they are actually a major advantage, they are used a lot because some one who just watched pace or some other partner say the word, that infamous word that means so little... "META".

I must confess, the level of ignorance here is once again mind blowing.

You are actually one of those that thinks that they are all just sheep.
That they are all just using it because ppl like me MAKE them believe in an advantage even though there is seemingly none.

You actually think we are all that dumb?
Let me ask you this: IF SO: Do you actually think you are that much smarter?
That YOU are the one preaching the "truth" here?

You see, among the things we can learn from history is that: It is pretty hard not to believe your own eyes.
And when it comes to the DA-Sails, this saying could not be further from the truth.

So get off your high horse.
There is an advantage and it is UNIGNORABLE!
You want to know what actually is ignorable? E.g. To use the default flintlock over the Seadog flintlock.
THAT is an ignorable advantage.

BUT NOT THE DA-SAILS!
Unless you simply don't know what you are talking about (if you are one of the many exclusive Sloop-Sailors for example),
then claiming something else is most likely simply a lie stemming from a varying degree of rather questionable motives,
and nothing else.

I have never claimed that i was smarter, nor that anyone was dumber, i would rather you debate my point rather than making up an argument i never made and debating that. Im not a fan of the strawman.

People follow group think, people bandwagon, and when people hear meta, they bandwagon off that. As well the advantage for da sails is ONLY advantageous for those already playing in a disadvantaged way, which is not an advantage to consider serious. That was the entire point i made, just with a bit more meat to it, if you want to debate me, that is the point to debate, not some made up claim that i think i am smarter than others.

BS. You claimed that all of those that exclusively use the DA-Sails do so because of false information.
That they do that because they fall for lies like "mine". That is calling them dumb and you smarter. Don't deny it my man.
By exposing this, I did precisely what you want me to do.
Debating your point.

To put it in simpler terms once more though:

We are not using the sails just because some prophet claims they are "meta".
We are using them because they ARE META.

And if you don't think they are meta, well then guess what, apparently a lot of ppl disagree with you on that.
But ofc, we are all just dumb sheep that fell for someone crying "meta" ... which is why we grinded 8mil without even second guessing it ...

@triheadedmonkey said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

TL;DR....

Remove the DA sails 'advantage' and everyone is happy?

'just adding' the same to all sails is not as simple as it seems.

The simplest solution to the 'problem' would be to remove the DA sails cut.

It would be the simplest solution yes.
It would be FAAAR from a good solution though.

Just because it would not be "as simple as it seems", doesn't take away from the fact that it would by far be the best solution.

@triheadedmonkey said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

Also, a final reminder to keep threads about the topic rather than engaging in personal arguments otherwise anchors will be dropped!

I do not wish to argue with a mod, however I must ask you this honest question:

So what?
There will be another post about this soon enough.
And it will not be mine, don't worry.

@tek-lt said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

It’s can’t be pay to win if you cannot pay to obtain it. DA sails are obtained with gold and you cannot buy gold.

They are sails that are available to players who work for them. 8m gold seems like a lot, but if you run an emissary and grind world events etc. you will achieve that in no time. I’ve made 1.2m in one 4 hour session running reapers doing world events, sinking skeleton ships, and sinking players who challenged us.

And the sight advantage is minimal, you still have a mast blocking your sight, I use DA sails all the time but I can use other sails and it doesn’t feel disadvantageous.

You are not a Brig-Main I guess ...
Of course it is not pay to win, OP is wrong about that. However that aside,
what you say is mostly true for the Sloop. But not for anything larger.

I like to PvP, but I am not pro by any means.

I usually raise the sail a bit just to slow down, it seems others do this as well, so it really doesn't matter.

Am I doing it wrong?

@guyrza said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

@lormiun no there won't be, this topic doesnt get brought up oftenly. And even if it will, Im sure it will be 100x times more respectful that this one, cause there won't be so much passive aggressive attitude. So respect the mods, they arent just bots to make your life more difficult

I have been following this topic since day one.
And gets brought up OFTEN enough my dude. OFTEN enough.

And for GOOD reason,
because it is a serious and very hindering issue that SoT has atm. It. Ruins. Customization.
And another thing, I am not a passive aggressive coward. I make no secret out of it that it bothers me VERY much when ppl outright deny it.

It is one thing to say that it is not the "most serious issue" of SoT, in my opinion it is, but fine, name another.
It is one thing to debate around WHAT should be done about it. [Some say remove it, I say give it to everybody]
But saying that it doesn't exist or is completely ignorable when EVEN a huge chunk of your average YT-clips now come with only the DA-Sails ...
Yeah no.
We are not talking about something subjective here. There is simple concrete proof that should LITERALLY be obvious for all that can see.
So for those ppl I have little to no respect when it comes to this topic because that is either a significant lack of knowledge about the issue at hand, top-notch ignorant delusion,
or (in sadly not even that rare cases) the direct motivation to harm the SoT.

And most certainly these last two groups are those that should have no room on this forum.
THAT is what should be restricted by mods that are not bots.

E.g. this dude here:

@foambreaker said in Dark adventures sails pay to win?:

I like to PvP, but I am not pro by any means.

I usually raise the sail a bit just to slow down, it seems others do this as well, so it really doesn't matter.

Am I doing it wrong?

I assume he does not own DA-Sails and probably never stood behind the helm of a Brig, much less a Galleon, with DA-Sails to have a scope of reference.
I have neither disrespect nor any problem with him, but if my assumption is correct, he simply has no idea.
AND I AM BEING OPTMISTIC!
Because IF he actually does own them, if he actually knows what he is talking about, then that would be as mentioned, an entirely different story.

Should his question be honest though then let me answer it:
From a QoL- and Meta-PoV, sadly yes, you should be using DA-Sails for when you don't want to slow down.

Now let me show it to the world again!

And before anyone comes crying again saying: MEHHH!!!! THE SAILS SHOULD ALWAS BE TO THE SIDE!!! WHINNEEEE!!!

A. It still offers an unignorable advantage TO said side.
B. It should not always -.- And you know it, crawl back into the sea from whence you came!