Legend of the Veil - Despawning / Canceling voyage

  • FYI: The final event will despawn if the crew fully leaves the game and or if they deactivate the voyage.

    If I get demolished by another crew while completing the last part of this voyage I shouldn't be able to simply cancel my voyage or leave the game to ensure the crew who defeated me gets no loot.

    If anything there should be a timer before the event despawns giving other crews a 5 to 10 min window to complete it themselves.

    There is literally no benefit to anyone with the current state of this voyage.

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  • @ssolutionss That's how voyages work. This is a voyage, not an event.

  • @d3adst1ck It's a totally different kind of voyage, the tornado is visible to everyone with the intention of attracting other players, it shouldn't disappear due to withdrawal by another crew.

  • @lleorb It's not really. The Order of Souls ghost ships are visible to everyone and they too disappear when the voyage gets cancelled.

  • @d3adst1ck Indeed, but the tornado is visible from a much greater distance, it is a decoy for conflicts with other crews for a legendary treasure, this is what makes this voyage riskier.

    Leaving or canceling the journey for another crew not to get loot besides being childish is also not fair.

  • @lleorb said in Legend of the Veil - Despawning / Canceling voyage:

    @d3adst1ck Indeed, but the tornado is visible from a much greater distance, it is a decoy for conflicts with other crews for a legendary treasure, this is what makes this voyage riskier.

    Leaving or canceling the journey for another crew not to get loot besides being childish is also not fair.

    It's childish, but I don't know about 'not fair'.

    Either way, it's unlikely to change because of the way the voyage system works.

  • It is like any other Voyage, if you take them out before they have acquired the Loot you're likely not getting the Loot. Yes, this Voyage makes a beacon, but that doesn't mean that you don't still have to apply some thought to the steal. You just know for a fact from anywhere on the server that someone is trying to do it and that there is a good potential to steal some Athena Loot if you play your cards right.

    But you still have to play your cards right.

  • Already complained about it here.

  • @lleorb said in Legend of the Veil - Despawning / Canceling voyage:

    Leaving or canceling the journey for another crew not to get loot besides being childish is also not fair.

    Calling it "not fair" that you can't acquire the loot from a voyage that isn't yours, is slightly childish no?

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  • @lem0n-curry Thank you!

    @withmyapologies said in Legend of the Veil - Despawning / Canceling voyage:

    @lleorb said in Legend of the Veil - Despawning / Canceling voyage:

    Leaving or canceling the journey for another crew not to get loot besides being childish is also not fair.

    Calling it "not fair" that you can't acquire the loot from a voyage that isn't yours, is slightly childish no?

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    I get running into the red sea since you actually have to manage sails correctly to run. Where as in this scenario you get sunk, you're salty and then cancel your voyage. Its silly and childish instead of just taking the loss. Oh and nothing in yours until its turned in. Considering this is a pirate game with thieves in the title

  • You want my rewards for a voyage I completed 99% of because you sunk me while I’m busy fighting forts and ships?

    Nope. Should wait until AFTER I’ve completed it and then when I’m tired from the fight. Strike me down.
    Roughly it’s a player issue and not a game problem. Think before you do something silly :/

  • My post from the other thread:

    Well, the good news here is that it won't stop you from getting loot; it just means that you're going to get less of it (but so will they) - though I'm sure you already knew that. The only thing that will prevent you from getting their loot is if they consistently sell after each portion of the voyage prior to your arrival.

    It is unfortunate that you may not get that epic fight you were looking for, but with all things considered, you can't really force anyone to fight if they don't want to.

  • @ssolutionss said in Legend of the Veil - Despawning / Canceling voyage:

    Oh and nothing in yours until its turned in.

    Exactly! So why are you complaining about not getting the loot from the voyage?? It's not yours. I'm confused as you've just argued against your own complaint.

    You're not represeting Amber Heard by any chance are you?

  • @withmyapologies Interesting argument tactic totally ignoring the preface of my complaint. I can see there will be no productive conversation with you. Nonetheless, for others reading, This is clearly not the issue I am having with the voyage being canceled. I would like the opportunity to turn in the loot and give the opportunity for that loot to be stolen from me either by the same crew or another.

  • @ssolutionss said in Legend of the Veil - Despawning / Canceling voyage:

    I would like the opportunity to turn in the loot and give the opportunity for that loot to be stolen from me either by the same crew or another.

    Umm..there IS that opportunity. You just have to be a little more strategic about it than a world event.

    This is a voyage. This is not a world event. You know how voyages work. Use your knowledge of the game and knowledge of the voyage to plan your attack.

    Something I've done with the OOS Ghost ship voyages is to just play dumb and participate in attacking the ghost ships while ignoring the crew that's actually doing it...then attack them when it's all done.

    You can also just...ya know...wait for them to finish and then pounce once it's done. There's large islands to hide behind for every single vortex location and have a great vantage point from.

  • @ssolutionss you said

    "If anything there should be a timer before the event despawns giving other crews a 5 to 10 min window to complete it themselves."

    So yes, you want the ability to have the loot be available, even if the voyage is cancelled. Yet later in the thread, you replied and say the loot is not yours.

    This is a voyage. The person that bought the voyage owns it. They can complete it, cancel it, or leave it in their inventory. Just like every other voyage.

    To me, it appears some people are just upset that they can't get an easy Athena steal.

  • @d3adst1ck

    It's childish, but I don't know about 'not fair'.

    I say that it's not fair because of the game's proposal, which is piracy, and because of the journey's proposal, which is clearly to attract players with a huge tornado.

    @redeyesith @burnbacon @sweetsandman

    Obviously it is possible to steal the loot using strategies, but the question raised is not that... The mission was made in order to attract players from the server to a possible conflict, a dispute over loot, having the possibility to cancel is a design error in my opinion. remembering that all structures are still there, so it makes no sense to prevent other players from finishing it.

  • Your moaning because you like to attack people when they are busy but will not wait to have a fair fight you steal it all you do is wait till there done then attack

  • @lleorb No it can be seen because they wanted to give the voyage a cinamatic feel not the intention to cause fights

  • @lleorb

    Fair enough. We'll just have to disagree there.

    I'm actually glad that Rare did it this way. Too much of the PvP in this game is just brawn over brain.

    As someone that loves PvP in SOT, but also loves strategy, I wish there were more things like this in the game. Things that require patience, deception, trickery.

    Stealing this voyage is easy...it just requires a slightly different approach than the typical go-in-hot approach that most PvPers are accustomed to.

  • @stormforcer No, the fact that Rare has purposely made it visible to everyone is bringing up the possibility of conflicts during the mission... of that you can be sure.

    The question is whether in this scenario it is valid to be able to cancel it.

  • This is the absolute easiest Athena steal that there has EVER BEEN. How are crews having struggles with this?

    You can easily row boat to the main fort once the secondary ones are down. As soon as the last bits are destroyed, you grab the athena and row away. 99% of the time the other crew won't even be aware they lost it until they come to grab the loot.

    If this becomes un-cancelable, they need to make the loot pile world event sized if we are gonna keep comparing the mechanics of it to a world event.

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