Another shout into the void; regarding the Pirate Emporium content.

  • Ahoy, community members, managers, and potential onlooking devs (hopefully).

    This has recently become a more serious issue than I've really been bothered to make such an uproar about before, but my hope for the cosmetic situation has started to run dry. This isn't hate against Rare, this isn't a "corporations are evil money-grabbing masterminds" post, it's somewhat of a cry for help from someone with considerable time and dedication to the game, wanting to see the best of the game's future.

    This will be a long read, senior school essay long probably, so now's your chance to click (upvote first) away onto something shorter.
    This is a message to Rare, about The Pirate Emporium.

    To some, you'll instantly know what I'm about to say already, to others I hope this will help you recognize the situation before us.

    THIS Twitter post was kinda the thing that made me want to restart efforts to get Rare to stop going in the direction they're going with cosmetics in a game entirely about cosmetics. I will dissect each argument into it's own segment, and be copying a lot of what I said in the comments of that Twitter post.

    Issue 1: Emporium content in general
    The Pirate Emporium has been getting more consistent and high-quality cosmetics than the actual games' shops for a while now. The in-game shops will see a reskin at best most of the time, and no I won't deny that Rare have and are about to put some more great looking skins into the game soon, but that doesn't completely negate the issue. Sure, the Party Boat and Midnight Blade set are unique and look great, I get that a lot of this is down to opinion, but those came to the game with a massive break of in-game shop content only filled with a drip-fed reskin system of already existing cosmetics, whereas the Pirate Emporium sees BRAND NEW, and TOP TIER cosmetics EVERY. MONTH. It got a bit excessive for a while, and those two sets I mentioned earlier were a breath of fresh air, but it didn't last long.
    The Emporium is probably about to tie, if it hasn't already, with the amount of cosmetics in-game to be earned with cosmetics (if you include everything in bundles like multiple costume types, emotes, and equipment, which I do.) It is also fairly expensive for things that literally don't exist.

    HOW TO FIX: Make things cheaper overall, consider that these things don't exist IRL in any way, and put some of the effort your designers are putting into regular shop content instead of Emporium Content. Same job, different destination. I understand Rare needs to make money, and it's my problem if I'm poor, I've heard it all before, but the current state of the Emporium makes Rare look greedy. Overall I'm on Rare's side, I want to see them succeed.

    Issue 2: Costumes
    Costumes are generally just BAD for cosmetics in Sea of Thieves. The game is built around being unique; that's what the entire system of the IPG was, right? But nowadays you can look exactly the same as the next pirate who happened to throw 10 bucks at the emporium because the costume quality was overall better and includes built-in emotes (which FTP costumes don't??? Looking at you Soulflame Costume set). Costumes not only take away from a player's uniqueness, but also can't be deconstructed into separate pieces for better customization, and if you can't deconstruct it, it probably shouldn't be a costume to begin with.

    HOW TO FIX: Make costumes customizable by being able to take apart different pieces. Honestly quite simple for that part, sure maybe not on a developer's side, but that's the kind of effort you need to at least try and put into your game to be a successful game company. (P.S, communities like it when the Devs cater to what the community wants or are at least transparent about things, take Deep Rock Galactic for example.)

    Issue 3: Emporium content being based on in-game items.
    The Soulflame Ship set
    The Shrouded Ghost set
    The Barrel Bombadier set

    I'll give you credit for the Soulflame one Rare, you made most of it free to be earned in game, but did you really need to put the ship set in the Emporium? It's a bit of a slap in the face for anyone with the rest of the set wanting to complete their arsenal.
    The Shrouded Ghost set, while not belonging in the Emporium, was at least given a chance to earn half of the set for free in a Shark-themed event.
    The Barrel Bombadier faced no such ray of care. Straight to the cash shop for you!
    In-game sets being in the Emporium is just messed up, and looks greedy.

    HOW TO FIX: For those 3 sets it might be a bit late, sure, people have already bought them so making them free would feel like a scam...
    BUT DON'T DO IT AGAIN. (INSIDERS IS THERE FOR A REASON, THEY HAD TO HAVE KNOWN BEFOREHAND RIGHT??)

    I'll take this last section to thank anyone who has taken the time to read through this semi-formal plea for Rare to stop and reconsider their direction with the Pirate Emporium. I'm lucky enough to reach a Rare developer, (or even any CM's I know that could possibly forward this to someone with higher control, I'd appreciate it) this is not a rant against you or the company, this is someone dedicated to the game wanting to see further success, and with a community on the edge of outrage, continuing to ask for money is not helping the situation. I understand a lot of this is down to Microsoft, but please, do what you can.

    EDIT: I'd like to bring to attention that I also am not to discredit free stuff, Rare puts a lot out for free, but almost too much. I'm trying to get content returned to the normal stores, not more from Twitch Drops or of the likes. Events are fine, the Plunder pass is fine, but the Emporium vs. the regular stores is feeling sided towards the Emporium.

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  • I don’t mind the pirate emporium prices or modes however am getting annoyed at the lack of cosmetics in game. I personally have no interest in buying outfits or ship parts since I much rather use the ones I earn for playing the game and would really like if Rare finally started releasing more high quality cosmetics in game rather than the PE.

    However on the flip side big fan of emotes being PE exclusive and am more than willing to buy any emote to flex my weapons or equipment. So in short wanting to see Rare double down on emotes and pets/pet outfits which are PE exclusive and cut back on ships and weapons instead bring those efforts to add more cosmetics to the game . Also stop costumes…

  • I dont mind costumes, they are like a uniform of sorts. Show belonging to group, shows affiliation. but yeah, they should def be customizable. you should be able to take them apart. would make variations of said 'uniform' more individual. some reapers like to wear their favorite pants with the costume.

    I fear the rest is just business, mate. I also would wish for more ingame cosmetic items like clothing and such but I guess its an invest and potential profit calculation. time and resources for ... happy customers alone?! the PE is Rares rent, checks, utility bills, legal, pr, etc. ppl need to get paid so money needs to be earned. If this is what it takes to keep this game afloat I see no trouble in ppl buying stuff they like. content creates attention creates potential shop visitors. they propably ran some numbers and found a 'bareable'sweetspot of money ppl are most likely to spent. a low resistance to temptation sweet spot. like impulse buyer friendly.
    or are still trying to figure it out and tweak the numbers. the throw in of sales always shows a sort of a controlled test event. are ppl willing to buy at this price, how much increase in numbers does it show to normal pricing? stuff like that, simply put. but it be great to have more beard variety and more fashionable clothin options. i like a little more pomp, panache and style pls. it may need some more stylish, more 'french' haircuts, i like the fantasy stuff but this stil is a pirate game, right?! some dashing shirts pls.

  • I'm glad someone gets it

    Problem is, the issue isn't Rare. All the Sea of Thieves people are amazing and probably want this game to be amazing. As do every other developer, even the ones at EA.

    The issue is the greedy shareholders. Hidden from the public. Just a bunch of people sat in an office somewhere demanding profits.

    People love SoT, and therefore Rare. Meaning that they go out of their way to defend every single decision they make. Stuff like adding seasons, removing Arena, overhwelming amounts of Costumes, no Sea Fort cosmetics, and PP and PE getting more love was decided by greedy people sat behind the scenes.

    And until people realise that and stop praising Rares every move, they are going to keep crossing the line and seeing what they can get away with. Soon we will have loot boxes, then exclusive Battle Passes and soon the game will be Sea of Spending Money.

    So it's good that there is still hope and at least some people realise that by praising and buying PP and PE they are damaging the game.

    The ONLY WAY to reverse the effects of greedy monetisation is simply to stop supporting it. Stop buying costumes or just PE stuff in general. Then they will realise that we can't be abused and we are not walking ATMs and will start looking at the game and not the money

    People first, profits second

    Gamedev is the only industry that gets away with profits first. Make it stop. Any company that doesn't treat consumers with respect is bound to fall apart. Look at EA.

    Make a good game and the money will come.

    Stop forcing predatory monetisation on your players and relying on your SoT Partners and superfans to defend your every move.

    Because otherwise the game is going to crash, once people start seeing through the whole illusion.

  • I am fairly certain that they have added 6 possibly more emporium ship sets (including plunder pass) sense they added the last ship set to the ingame stores which was the party boat. I know they announced adding a new ancient boat soon but a 1 to 6 ratio for ingame money to irl money ships is just awful

  • I might actually be inclined to spend any money on emporium cosmetics just to support continued development if the game were headed in a direction that I felt worth supporting. A sort of voluntary subscription. But the aspects of that game that interest me go largely ignored, and I'm not going to contribute funding to the development of content that I will never engage in.

    Ultimately though, I agree with all your points.

  • @gallerine5582

    Issue #1: If you are poor, than don't spend money on the emporium. That isn't a sin and won't hold you back within the game in anyway shape or form as they purely sell cosmetics. The whole idea of the store is to allow people to financially keep supporting the game, without it being a requirement.

    Issue #2: Costumes, you like them or you don't... if you don't just don't use them? It is a choice, sometimes related to the ease from a technical point of view, others to avoid overuse of parts or making other items void, others are bound by deals/restrictions based on who owns the rights (Pirates of the Caribbean)

    Issue #3: The cosmetics are going to be linked to the world and game, that is just logical. Why wouldn't they sell items related to the game in their shop, having exclusive items that people want is a way to make the store relevant. Not everyone that wants to support the developers want to buy cosmetics that are seasonal, etc. The store should offer something that suits each type of player and yeah some cool things will therefore be behind a paywall; having some exclusive cool items like that isn't the end of the world.

    As in I have no issues with the idea of giving the in-game merchants a bit less of the lets re-dye the same stuff and some more unique feeling items. Yet that doesn't mean that they have to change the emporium, they can do both?

  • @cotu42 said in Another shout into the void; regarding the Pirate Emporium content.:

    @gallerine5582

    As in I have no issues with the idea of giving the in-game merchants a bit less of the lets re-dye the same stuff and some more unique feeling items. Yet that doesn't mean that they have to change the emporium, they can do both?

    Well yes they could...but that's the issue. They are not.

    The Emporium gets too much love compared to the actual game. This thread is trying to convince them to divert resources (designers, etc.) away from the Emporium and to the game.

    But costumes, are, have been and always will be, bad. Just break them up. There is literally no reason not to.

  • You poor lost lambs, have you no idea how Capitalism works???

  • @ottyman8687

    The emporium will always remain a section that has frequent updates, because that is the monetary model of the game. In the end they are still a company and have costs that need to be covered and they need to make money.

    Creating a false notion a x vs y argument, that they need to change that in order to provide more unique cosmetics in the shops, is counter productive. The issues brought forward are not issues and unrelated to the actual core question.

    There are valid reasons to have costumes, I named a couple. They aren't my cup of tea either, but it isn't an issue or bad to have. There is still plenty of options to mix with.

  • Out of all the languages, Gallerine chose to speak facts.

  • I agree with everything you just said here, it’s really bothering me how many cosmetics the emporium has at this point, while the regular shops haven’t had a single completed and new set in so long, they added the party boat stuff but even that doesn’t even have any equipment, then there is also the new seaforts that have absolutely 0 cosmetics tied to them yet the emporium got a whole bunch of cosmetics, they couldn’t even add a new completed cosmetic set for the new pl content. It’s just really demotivating imo, what’s even the point of me playing if there is hardly any new cosmetics to get, i sure ain’t gonna spend another €30 yet again just to get another ship set.

  • Costumes are the worst. Just let me customize my pirate.

    I'll pay for a clothing set in the emporium if it looks good just stop with the costumes.

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