Not a rage thread. Just wondering, will anything ever be done to try and balance this? Will there ever be such a thing as xbox only servers? Not that I'm a huge fan of that idea, just asking.
Xbox vs. PC?
@dooby I agree, and there really needs to be some kind of balance because it IS NOT a level playing field when console goes against PC. You are at a disadvantage by default when you're on console. Maybe a bit of aim-assist or something would help? I don't know but something really needs to be done. I've lost countless hours of progress due to being overwhelmed by PC players.
@rainn-flutterrs said in Xbox vs. PC?:
@dooby I agree, and there really needs to be some kind of balance because it IS NOT a level playing field when console goes against PC. You are at a disadvantage by default when you're on console. Maybe a bit of aim-assist or something would help? I don't know but something really needs to be done. I've lost countless hours of progress due to being overwhelmed by PC players.
I don't have experience of playing on both at the moment (my gaming PC is stuck on windows 8.1), but aim-assist is something I never feel comfortable with. To be honest, maybe the best way to fix the imbalance is just to sort out m+k use on the XBox.
@dooby I've been saying the same, they have already implemented some of the keyboard controls but not the rest. I don't really feel great about aim-assist either but I've played on both sides and something really needs to change. When playing on PC I realized how effortless PVP is. While on Xbox I've had so many bad experiences of being trashed by PC players simply because of imbalance.
@rainn-flutterrs said in Xbox vs. PC?:
@dooby I've been saying the same, they have already implemented some of the keyboard controls but not the rest. I don't really feel great about aim-assist either but I've played on both sides and something really needs to change. When playing on PC I realized how effortless PVP is. While on Xbox I've had so many bad experiences of being trashed by PC players simply because of imbalance.
Yeah I was just reading the thread about m+k support.
Any kind of aim-assist is always contentious, and would cause no end of arguments imho.On a related note, always wondered whether replacing the right thumbstick with a trackball would be good.
edit looks like someone did that for an Xbox 360 controller http://trackballer.com/2010/12/23/hands-on-review-the-trackball-controller-for-xbox-360/
@rainn-flutterrs said in Xbox vs. PC?:
@dooby I agree, and there really needs to be some kind of balance because it IS NOT a level playing field when console goes against PC. You are at a disadvantage by default when you're on console. Maybe a bit of aim-assist or something would help? I don't know but something really needs to be done. I've lost countless hours of progress due to being overwhelmed by PC players.
is it a level playing field when you compare Xbox1 vs Xbox1X?
is it a level playing field when you compare the regular controller vs the Elite controller?what about the PC players that play with a controller on their couch and TV? how will you make the difference between a PC player that is playing with a controller on his couch vs a PC player that is playing in his gaming chair with a gaming mouse and a gaming keyboard? The PC player on the couch will be at a disadvantage if he can't access your Xbox servers...
honestly, It's not about optional crossplay (because is it really optional if everyone on console will turn it off immediately?) It's about balancing the game the right way
If this was a game like Call of Duty, or Battlefield or even PUBG/Fortnite then yes, the type of game will never make it possible to balance since 100% of it depends on shooting with precision and quick actions (twitch reflexes) compared to Sea of Thieves which is more towards strategical and tactical actions (timing reflexes)
Obviously, forced crossplay is very doable with Card Games like hearthstone/Magic Arena/ Gwent etc
But a game of Sea of Thieves is somewhere in between, where the devs just need to find that right balance between features and mechanics that will allow both Consoles and PCs to be on equal footing.
but optional crossplay (aka removing it completely) is just a bandaid solution. once Xbox gets M/K support you will all be back here asking for more splitting.
@duck-its-ducky Honestly they have already balanced this..the only advantage a pc player has is turn speed..and they like doubled it and then doubled it again for the xbox..so this is no longer a problem no matter what people say..now people just use it as an excuse when they are killed.."oh I died..I never die..must of been a pc player!" and rare is keeping their game cross platform from what we all have heard.
@averageheroz said in Xbox vs. PC?:
@duck-its-ducky Honestly they have already balanced this..the only advantage a pc player has is turn speed..and they like doubled it and then doubled it again for the xbox..so this is no longer a problem no matter what people say..now people just use it as an excuse when they are killed.."oh I died..I never die..must of been a pc player!" and rare is keeping their game cross platform from what we all have heard.
The problem with increased sensitivity is I don't always want a faster turn rate. I realise its the same sort of thing as mouse sensitivity, but you get much finer control on a mouse.
@dooby I play on both systems and I don't have a problem aiming on either. That could just be me though.
@averageheroz I agree they balanced the speed of movement as best they can, but there are still a couple of disadvantages. Aiming on PC is still way easier than it is on console. and the refresh rates on pc screens is much better than on console which means pc can make better use of faster turn speeds.
If I turn on console with my sensitivity at full, I can't see what or sometimes even which direction I turned into for a full second or two. But the differences between the two have been narrowed down some. I truly believe the best way to balance them is to simply set speed limits that everyone is maxed out on, including the speed used for aiming. Set top limits that are consistent for all platforms.
@rafebro said in Xbox vs. PC?:
I don't think there is a real balance issue.
I 100% agree..I think people are blowing this way out of proportion..I honestly think it is the new "oh I lagged."
@dooby Yeah there is a little difference between the 2..but when it comes to pvp I have killed players on my xbox that play pc..and the other way around..there is not a big enough difference to honestly effect game play. I know this is a big thing but people make it a big thing because in their mind they think there is this HUGE advantage when really..there is not.
I literally get to see the comparison up close ( my wife runs on my pc, while I use my xbox) and honestly it comes down to skill more than any inherent disadvantages. With the increase to controller sensitivity its a close comparison to my k/m setup. I think with the way they set up animations for the combat they did a pretty decent job at keepin it even.
@squaz05
Yea, well from someone who plays on an Xbox one X and who also has an Xbox One I can tell you besides the hardware differences, it’s the same console. Gameplay wise one isn’t over the other, unlike xbox(console) vs PC. Also allowing K+M functionality on the console isn’t the answer to the problem. I can’t speak for everyone else, but I would like to think most play on a console for many reasons, one includes using a Controller lol. I love the PC players who say the solution is let’s add a K+M to consoles, as if we console players want to use a K+M. Lol mind blown don’t you think if I wanted to use them I would just go play on a computer right.@bababooey said in Xbox vs. PC?:
@squaz05
Yea, well from someone who plays on an Xbox one X and who also has an Xbox One I can tell you besides the hardware differences, it’s the same console. Gameplay wise one isn’t over the other, unlike xbox(console) vs PC. Also allowing K+M functionality on the console isn’t the answer to the problem. I can’t speak for everyone else, but I would like to think most play on a console for many reasons, one includes using a Controller lol. I love the PC players who say the solution is let’s add a K+M to consoles, as if we console players want to use a K+M. Lol mind blown don’t you think if I wanted to use them I would just go play on a computer right.so you are basically choosing to play with the inferior instrument and then wonder why you can't keep up with people using the best instruments?
@squaz05
Yep same thing pc players always say how much better they are blah blah blah. That’s why personally, I’m fine with no cross play or better yet, if Sony gets their head out of their you know what, than all of console players could play with each other and the PC players can play with themselves. That’s just me though, because often times it feels like PC players don’t want to compromise, they instead want to talk about how much better PCs are and try to force console players to be like PC...lol okay guy.@bababooey said in Xbox vs. PC?:
@squaz05
Yep same thing pc players always say how much better they are blah blah blah. That’s why personally, I’m fine with no cross play or better yet, if Sony gets their head out of their you know what, than all of console players could play with each other and the PC players can play with themselves. That’s just me though, because often times it feels like PC players don’t want to compromise, they instead want to talk about how much better PCs are and try to force console players to be like PC...lol okay guy.what compromise are you talking about? optional crossplay is not a compromise it's a death sentence for the PC market. Optional Crossplay is the opposite direction in the gaming industry should be heading. So no, Optional Crossplay does not fall into the "compromise" category
what else?
in fact, it's Console players that don't want to compromise
PC players have suggested many different ways to balance the game without removing crossplay. instead, console players are like "NO, WE STAY IN OUR LITTLE BUBBLE PC PLAYERS NOT WELCOMED"
you know it has been suggested input related matchmaking so a PC and Xbox players can still play together, they would only need to play with the same input, but NOOOOOO REMOVE CROSSPLAY GET OUT OF MUH BUBBLE EVIL PC PLAYERS (or make it optional so you can turn it off permanently and never look back... same thig...)
I see more willingness to compromise from the PC community than the Console community.
tell me compromises happen both ways
lets hypothetically say that we split the servers by input devices. So everyone Xbox and PC, they will play together as long as they are using the same input.
a PC player will compromise and accept to play with a controller to join the controller servers and play with xbox players, what exactly is the xbox player compromising? remember compromises happen on both parties.
how about this situation the optional crossplay suggestion
PC will compromise and accept that we will have a significantly reduced population to play with (an approximate 75-80% population loss and the fact that the development will focus on their main market (xbox) and we will end up with an Xbox Port with features tailored for xbox centric hardware.
what exactly are the xbox community be compromising?
seems to me that you just don't care what happens with the PC market/population as long as you are fine.
@squaz05
Lol why don’t you go back and read my original post I didn’t mention one time about not wanting or getting rid of crossplay. I made that comment in response to your we Pc players are better than you attitude. I was talking about K+M functionality on the Xbox. I see more console players talking about trying to balance out the game between the two and PC players saying you just suck or like you said pc is better blah blah, yea buddy that really seems like your compromising. I agree that you shouldn’t have to use controllers just as I feel we shouldn’t have to use a mouse or keyboard to lvl the playing field. I also don’t agree with your stupid input idea, now I get Rare is trying, well kind of they increased the sensitivity and that’s about it. I don’t care to have a sensitivity so dang high that when I tap my joystick I do like a 180 turn. Also most of you guys now say oh well with a sensitivity increase there is only a slight disadvantage between Xbox and Pc. Yea maybe that is true for some, but for most not, because us console players unless maybe coming from PC are not use to playing with that high of a sensitivity as let’s see pc players. You will probably say well turn it up and get use to it and I will say we shouldn’t have to change our style of play etc to accommodate being able to keep of with pc players. Lol one more thing, slight disadvange or not, a disadvantage is a disadvantage right? A cheater is still a cheater, a win is still a win and a loss is still a loss.@bababooey said in Xbox vs. PC?:
@squaz05
Lol why don’t you go back and read my original post I didn’t mention one time about not wanting or getting rid of crossplay. I made that comment in response to your we Pc players are better than you attitude. I was talking about K+M functionality on the Xbox. I see more console players talking about trying to balance out the game between the two and PC players saying you just suck or like you said pc is better blah blah, yea buddy that really seems like your compromising. I agree that you shouldn’t have to use controllers just as I feel we shouldn’t have to use a mouse or keyboard to lvl the playing field. I also don’t agree with your stupid input idea, now I get Rare is trying, well kind of they increased the sensitivity and that’s about it. I don’t care to have a sensitivity so dang high that when I tap my joystick I do like a 180 turn. Also most of you guys now say oh well with a sensitivity increase there is only a slight disadvantage between Xbox and Pc. Yea maybe that is true for some, but for most not, because us console players unless maybe coming from PC are not use to playing with that high of a sensitivity as let’s see pc players. You will probably say well turn it up and get use to it and I will say we shouldn’t have to change our style of play etc to accommodate being able to keep of with pc players. Lol one more thing, slight disadvange or not, a disadvantage is a disadvantage right? A cheater is still a cheater, a win is still a win and a loss is still a loss.what compromise are you asking us to make?
what compromise are you willing to make?@squaz05 I never asked for the crossplay to be removed I asked for balance between PC and Xbox. This game very much depends on your movement and ability to aim kind of like those games you mentioned. I would never compare it to those games but in this instance yes. The very small number of people who use a controller for PC on a couch or whatever aren't really at a disadvantage because they could easily switch to a keyboard and mouse whenever they wanted to. There is no difference between the xb1 and the xb1x when it comes to this game. SOT runs in native 4k on the X that drops the FPS pretty much as low as the original xb1. The controller doesn't matter at all. I have played with a regular controller the entire time I've played on my Xbox and never had any problems. Maybe if someone were to modify their controller or something, maybe that would make a difference. But that can happen at anytime on PC or console regardless. All I'm asking for is balance between the two (PC and Console). Bringing up more ways that could cause imbalance doesn't prove anything. The game is still highly imbalanced when it comes to certain areas in PVP.
@rainn-flutterrs Instead of giving aim assist, which is a HUGE advantage against PC, they are have made it so that xbox can have the same sensitivity....
@chewywarden A sensitivity slider isn't really a fix for the imbalance.
"It's so much harder to land a shot with a joystick then a mouse." -Joker3740
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PC players have a limited space to which they can actually move the mouse around in, so if the sensitivity is reduced we would constantly have to pick up the mouse and put it back to the other side just to continue turning.
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A better alternative, if it really bothers you so much that you occasionally die, would be to ask for keyboard and mouse support on xbox and buy a keyboard and a mouse....
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How do you know that someone is a PC player with "insane" sensitivity? It could just be that you lost to another xbox player that is better or that you lost to a pc player that is using a gamepad themselves...
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cannon sensitivity and boat controls are all the same over xbox and PC regardless of mouse/keyboard or gamepad, so mouses don't affect how you perform in boat battles.
And finally, many PC players actually use gamepads themselves so the chance of coming across the tiny audience of PC players compared to the HUGE amount of xbox players that uses a high sensitivity mouse and such is quite slim...
The point it that RARE is working as hard as they can to get out new content as well as balance and solve bugs, so cut them some slack and everyone needs to stop bringing up the same topic because they are trying to solve it as quickly as they can...
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@chewywarden They actually aren't trying to fix PVP imbalance. I know that the people are on PC because they either tell me or I figure out some other way. I usually figure it out due to most of the people being toxic. I don't get how you think that there is no imbalance between a controller and a keyboard and mouse. I have asked constantly for/about keyboard and mouse support on Xbox and it's never happened. This is a first person game that has gunplay in it how is PC not at an advantage?!
@chewywarden Heh Ik you were gonna say that. No I didn't mean that. I meant that through their toxic rampages we get to the point where they say that they're better because they are on PC, or something along those lines. Or I ask them to clarify. I do believe that a lot of the PC players are very toxic though. That's not a very new realization but still.
@joker3740 said in Xbox vs. PC?:
If they made it so you are forced to use a controller for pc players or Xbox Only Servers that's all they can do because you would have to buy a pricy adapter and mouse and keyboard for Xbox players and Its against the TOS to use mouse and keyboard on Xbox and people Rare made a thing where you can have the same sensitivity as a mouse and keyboard but it's so much harder to land a shot with a joystick then a mouse.
It's not actually against the Terms of Service to use peripherals like the Xim4 or another mouse and keyboard combination. It might be against the terms for some specific games (such as RB6 Siege), but it's not enforceable. This is mostly due to accessibility reasons, as not everyone has the same capability to use a controller.
@joker3740 said in Xbox vs. PC?:
@chewywarden
A free way can be to be able to turn on and off cross platform most games have it.bandaid solution,
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what will happen when MS gets official M/K support? you guys will be back here complaining again to make a crossplay on and off and controller on and off and it never ends. Instead we should get a solution to balance the game mechanics and features to make both platforms on par.
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As a PC player that plays with a controller, I don't have a choice anymore? i can't turn on of off crossplay. I am stuck playing with K/M people just because i'm on PC...
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