yes, i know rare is probably never gonna do it but i just want to say something. a lot of you might disagree with me but in a way there are pve servers already. look a pvp player logs in "hmm, what should i play today? adventure where i won't find a single ship that isn't full of new pirates, or has no loot or bad loot, will sail away, oh yeah, and they will probably spam message me saying i am a sad person who has no life, even this is a damn pirate game. or some arena" look there is little reason for pvp players to play adventure over arena, especially now that matchmaking is better and solo slooping will be added soon. the only reason maybe is for stealing reaper chests, also excuse me, but did over players fight for the reaper chests? i didn't when i was sailing with it not a single ship did anything. and still the pve'ers are whining for pve only servers, come on guys ya serious it's a damn pirate game anyway. other pirates are supposed to fight you this makes ranking up a lot more fun. don't say friend or foe when anchored at an island when i ship is right near, that basically allows the enemy ship to open fire, at least be ready for some combat, raise the sails, load the cannons, stuff like that.
plz don't add pve only servers, it's gonna be terrible
I have no issue if they give players PVE servers, I've no doubt it will bring many many more players to the game. That can't be a bad thing.
And those who want some PVP will all be on the same servers..
No more griefing for anyone.It's not as if this game rewards you with upgrades no matter how much you accomplish. So what does it matter who plays where?
I see no reason to not add them.
Unless of course your sole purpose of playing this game is to set sail to ruin anothers gaming experience.Perhaps they could even make PVE servers a monetary transaction like many other games do.
@cookieconsumer6
I dont think u have to worry about this at all. They have said numerous times it wasnt gonna happen.But things change. And if the playerbase grows enough they may change their mind. Even Joe Neate recently said he is not ok with a place where players can farm for gold and rep.
Honestly i dont see it ever happening. It defeats the entire purpose of the game.
For those wanting pve servers, spend some time in the Arena.
Especially if you have a crew of friends.
Otherwise just join random crews.
Dont play to win, and dont expect a fair gaming experience. Dont ever quit, so bring a thick skin.Think of Arena as Combat School.
Dedicate yourself to naval artillery, combat piloting, and pirate killing.
Innocent players will not be harmed in your training.The experience gained is invaluable in Adventure mode.
Just a suggestion.
@needsmokes pvp is not griefing snd second of all. It is funny why people cant see that pve servers wont work. What should stop me taking your athena chest when you dig it up? How would you stop me if that happend on a pve server?
@lysergicaa said in plz don't add pve only servers, it's gonna be terrible:
@needsmokes pvp is not griefing snd second of all. It is funny why people cant see that pve servers wont work. What should stop me taking your athena chest when you dig it up? How would you stop me if that happend on a pve server?
Er! You wouldn’t be in his game so of course you couldn’t take his chest. How do you imagine a PvE mode would work.
There are several ways to set up servers but non would allow you to interact with another player/crew/ship.
@lysergicaa said in plz don't add pve only servers, it's gonna be terrible:
@dadiodude How do you imagine a PVE server would work or are we talking about a singleplayer mode?
Single player or co-op but not necessarily exclusive servers. Other developers have managed fine. It’s not a new concept. Its not much of a jump either. SoT is already 90% PvE in most of my sessions.
I don't even get why people keep asking for them. Like I would find the game extremely boring if I would play Sea of Friends and dig up chests endlessly. And I mean that as a player of both worlds PvP and PvE.
I find that those who ask for them don't want to learn to PvP and then get mad that their loot gets taken by pirates who wanted to get better. As someone who plays both sides of the coin, I know that defensive position is always better and as long as you're aware of your surroundings you should be fine. Just don't let them board and cannon their ship to smithereens. Those PvP server hoppers have very limited amount of supplies and you as a PvEr should have well stocked ship to defend yourself.
I don't get where people keep meeting these spawn camping griefers as I've never been spawn camped. Not even as a solo. I have gotten spawn killed thanks to an unfortunate spawn location but never camped to the point of scuttling. I've been roaming around in a sloop with bunch of loot with a reaper and some reaper chests, I very rarely get challenged.
The active playerbase of the game unfortunately is not big enough to be separated even more especially if opt out happens for adventure as well. The seas already feel quite empty and peaceful to the point where my own crew member is more of a threat than other crews by crashing into islands or accidentally placing gunpowder wrong and blowing the ship up.
I think you’ve answered your own question. PvP isn’t really adding anything to this game. On the other hand we’ve seen what Rare can accomplish with things like Tall Tales. Don’t assume a PvE version would just be current SoT but offline. There is so much they could do to create a Bethesda or Rockstar type of game but with excellent co-op.
So many games manage both a campaign and MP offer I don’t understand the reluctance. This, if it ever happened, would be as well as, not instead of, PvPvE.
@cookieconsumer6 They won't add official PvE servers. They have mentioned they are interested in private servers but those are not the same thing.
@needsmokes said in plz don't add pve only servers, it's gonna be terrible:
I have no issue if they give players PVE servers, I've no doubt it will bring many many more players to the game. That can't be a bad thing.
And those who want some PVP will all be on the same servers..
No more griefing for anyone.It's not as if this game rewards you with upgrades no matter how much you accomplish. So what does it matter who plays where?
I see no reason to not add them.
Unless of course your sole purpose of playing this game is to set sail to ruin anothers gaming experience.Perhaps they could even make PVE servers a monetary transaction like many other games do.
Two things
Yes it would affect everyone else, and how?
The multiplayer dynamic of this game is meant to be unpredictable. That;s the key word "unpredictable." We're not supposed to know what kind of players we'll encounter on the seas.
The next ship I see could either form an alliance and be super peace loving, or they could try and attack me. That is what makes this game special. It allows for a myriad of different situations in one world.
With a PvP and PvE division, that unpredictable nature is ruined. For everyone. The entire multiplayer dynamic becomes dry and boring. We would know exactly what type of players we encounter based on the server we chose.
Think about what the developers want you to see
They have built this game based on these unpredictable interactions. PvE servers would completely remove that unpredictability from the game.
If "unpredictable" is what they're going for, why would they create a mode where players see the game from a predictable/boring/PvE only perspective?
Yes this game is meant to have freedom in how you experience it, but the developer has a vision for all of it's players to encounter any type of interaction when they play the game.
Don't forget, it's in the code of conduct
Be a good sport. Sea of Thieves is a pirate game, and stealth, stealing and battles are all part of the fun. All pirates on the seas accept that, but be a good sportsman in both victory and loss.
All pirates accept that everything they have is always at risk...
It really doesn't bother me if they add PVE or not, I've never asked for it, but I have seen countless requests for it. I totally get what your saying. But some people love this game but struggle to cope with the anxiety it causes them. So do we want them to give up on this game?
It's in the games interest to attract as many active users as it possibly can. So that is why I'm not against the idea when it's mentioned.
I have pretty much played and done all there is to do now countless times over to the point where my interest in the game has faded and I drift on Occasionally to try the new content out.
And the random interactions you say Rare have envisioned when coming across a new ship on the horizon normally plays out the same way over time. And that ends with betrayal and combat most of the time. That's the general impression I also get from those asking for PVE.
Will it ever happen? Who knows.
I'm not bothered either way.@needsmokes
Rare does want to make private servers in the future, so something similar will happen. But they won't have progression to incentivise adventure and arena, and I wouldn't be surprised if they costed money@dadiodude said in plz don't add pve only servers, it's gonna be terrible:
I think you’ve answered your own question. PvP isn’t really adding anything to this game. On the other hand we’ve seen what Rare can accomplish with things like Tall Tales. Don’t assume a PvE version would just be current SoT but offline. There is so much they could do to create a Bethesda or Rockstar type of game but with excellent co-op.
What? Ofc PvP is adding something to the game. It's adding risk/difficulty/fear and actual piracy into this fantasy adventure/sailing simulator. Might as well be called Sea of Sailors, PvP is what makes it a pirate game and therefore earning the name Sea of Thieves. Without PvP the game would be too easy. Tall tales were a amazing but just like everything else is stealable the items from them should've been as well. Like I said the seas feel quite empty and peaceful already which is not a good thing, separating even more would make servers feel even more empty or you would keep running into the same people. Proof of concept: Already happens in arena all the time, every day I keep meeting same people that I met the day before who are also trying to grind it out. There's one guy who I've played against on 10 different days, we just happen to get to the same servers cus the pool is so small.
@icymethodman said in plz don't add pve only servers, it's gonna be terrible:
@dadiodude said in plz don't add pve only servers, it's gonna be terrible:
I think you’ve answered your own question. PvP isn’t really adding anything to this game. On the other hand we’ve seen what Rare can accomplish with things like Tall Tales. Don’t assume a PvE version would just be current SoT but offline. There is so much they could do to create a Bethesda or Rockstar type of game but with excellent co-op.
What? Ofc PvP is adding something to the game. It's adding risk/difficulty/fear and actual piracy into this fantasy adventure/sailing simulator. Might as well be called Sea of Sailors, PvP is what makes it a pirate game and therefore earning the name Sea of Thieves. Without PvP the game would be too easy. Tall tales were a amazing but just like everything else is stealable the items from them should've been as well. Like I said the seas feel quite empty and peaceful already which is not a good thing, separating even more would make servers feel even more empty or you would keep running into the same people. Proof of concept: Already happens in arena all the time, every day I keep meeting same people that I met the day before who are also trying to grind it out. There's one guy who I've played against on 10 different days, we just happen to get to the same servers cus the pool is so small.
We all play the same game here. So many people are saying the same thing. There’s hardly any PvP activity. I could/can go days as a solo slooper and have zero interaction. Sure, you’ll see the occasional sail or approach an occupied outpost so sail on to the next one but as the game is now it’s the PvE that provides the entertainment.
Why does it have to be seperated servers?, i'm at the point where both me and my wife are going to quit the game because every time we spend hours trying to get thru a quest or two and go to the outpost there is someone there and they always end up tracking us down somehow killing us and stealing our stuff that we worked hard for, and the real annoying part is that most of the players who spend the time to come and take your stuff are the players who have completed everything and have nothing better to do so they don't care to go find their own stuff as they are in it for PVP,
The problem lies with the people who are in it just for PvP and won't leave people like me and my wife alone to actually enjoy the game, the spawn campers, the players who are using aimbot and shiptrack, its crazy insane how one player can board my ship and both of us can shoot him and slice him but somehow we are dead and hes not and bye bye all of my stuff
RARE make it simple. no new servers just add something like a flag that you put up prevents you from taking damage from other players and you can't do damage to other players without taking down that flag or shooting them, and to prevent cheating in that way make it a before sail decision and if you do go after another player you cannot be "safe" for 24 hours or something..
theres many things you can do for players like me who aren't good enough to defend against people and don't always want to defend against people and in my 2 weeks of playing this game i've come across probably 2 dozen players who are trying to play the game but have left and come back to try again or are going to leave because they can't get anywhere with it
Just my 2c
People playing this game for pvp don't get the appeal of pve servers wich is fine because they don't have to play on them. The only reason for pvp players to concern themselves with those decisions is because they aren't really pvp players who fancy a fight but those who want to have players that don't fight back. I'd definately play once or twice on a pve server but ultimately change back to pvpve but I at least get why there are people who wont. I once read a comment one here were someone claimed that both pvp and pve communities need each other which is absoloutley false. Pvp'ers need pve or pvpve players but pve players don't need anyone but their crewmates if anyone at all. The majority of people buying this game want to have the interactions and dangers that come with the pvp aspect so there really wouldn't be a lot of people changing to pve serveres and not for the entirety of their playtime but if you are against it you only want to have people that improve your time playing by having easy combat encounters which aren't as enjoyable for the other parties involved(but you don't care about it because you're having fun). What those kind of people don't get is that the pve community will slowly vanish completely if the only thing they get back is a "get good" or "it's a pirate game what'd you expect?". I in fact believe that pve serveres would bring a whole new community into this game which eventually will wash people over to the regular servers instead of taking all you preys away, but i've read enough posts on here to know exactly what kind of answer i'm going to get for this post.
@vowels771 said in plz don't add pve only servers, it's gonna be terrible:
The problem lies with the people who are in it just for PvP and won't leave people like me and my wife alone to actually enjoy the game
The real problem is you came to a shared world online pvp game, and expect to be left alone.
In your first paragraph you quite literally describe pirates.
Look mate i know u are new. So take some advice. Rare has already said no to a passive mode. It was tested and they felt it didnt fit in this game. This entire game is about freedom. Tools not rules. You wanna be able to dig up treasure without being bothered???? Defend yourself then and sink those who try and steal it.
You have infinite ships and infinite lives. Use them to your advantage. Go out there and die alot. Practice combat. Get used to the ship physics. Loot will always be around. But skills take some time to develop.
If you need any advise, or have any questions about the game just ask. There are lots of pirates like you who came here, got sunk, and made the same posts as you.
But they stuck with it. They didnt quit. And now they are legends. No fear of anyone.I know it can be tough out there for a new player. But Rare gave u everything u need to avoid combat if you dont want to. Dont be afraid to lose loot. And dont be afraid to ask one of us to sail with you to show u how to handle those grimy pirates
@nwo-azcrack its pretty hard to practice combat when things around you aren't making any sense, such as today where a ship was way out of cannon ball range yet somehow within seconds someone is on my ship and slashing me up and i cen't even defend myself, its either i get 1 2 3'd and i'm dead without being able to attack back or its jump around get a few good hits in but somehow that player isn't dead yet again 1 2 3'd and i'm dead or they can hit me however and whenever they like but any time i try and fight back nothing happens, i've even gone to the point where i switched to keyboard and mouse so that if i miss i can switch weapons fast and try and hit again but nope nothing, i would say for every 15 times i die from someone i get MAYBE 1 or 2 hits in what am i supposed to do with that? so yeah i love everything about the game EXCEPT the fact i can't get a damn quest done. i've been sitting at virtually the same reputation for 3 days now and out of those 3 days i've probably spent 30-40 hours playing and i'm normally pretty decent at video games
i've watched a tonne of youtube videos and eventhough i try and impliment what i've seen still nothing happens if i knew how to take videos and show you i would but i'm just at a complete loss and frustrated beyond belief@vowels771
Do what i did. Stop trying to quest. Log in and pvp only. Did this for 6 months straight.It changed everything for me. I dream of being sunk now. Still happens once in a while. Just not often
@vowels771 i can get the frustration of being in fights and unable to get any offense in, tactics is the number one game here, both in pirate on pirate battles and in ship to ship battles.
I did basicly the same as @NWO-Azcrack only didnt take 6 months for it :-p.
I took a little bit of loot on board to add the fear of losing something but not that much thay i would be hurt losing it, i then got on a search for other ships and go on the offensive.
I learned the audio Ques (swimming, boarding, weapon switching, mermaids popping up etc) so i would know what was going to happen.
Dont underestimate cannon ranges or the ability of people to swim long distances. It wouldnt be the first time that my crew is busy with a quest on island x and i see a ship on island y and shoot myself over and swim for 5 to 10 minutes to get to said ship.
Check your control’s sensitivity levels and maybe up them, and never forget blocking enemies sword attacks is a good way to able to stop the enemies from stun locking you and create a bit of distance.
What your unhappy with is really three separate things.
Firstly, as a novice to the game you’re thrown into a server with people that have maybe hundreds of hours under their belt. They know their way around the game and it’s oh! so easy for them to kill your game (and any sense of fun).
If you’ve come from other PvP games such as CoD, BF, GoW and so on and so on, you’ll quickly realise that SoT combat is monumentally bad. At times crossplay doesn’t help and players can suffer network handicaps but despite this it completely favours first to strike.
Finally, despite all of this baloney about freedom, tools not rules, create your own adventure etc etc, this is a super restrictive game. Regardless of what you want to do, I can sail right over and stop you doing it. So, other players end up dictating how you spend your time. This is where most of the complaints/comments/suggestions are centred.
I like PvP. I grew up in the world of Quake clans and the like. However, I dislike the PvP in SoT. It isn’t just the clunky clumsy combat, it’s the fact that behaviours that are heavily frowned upon in most every other game are accepted in this one. Some like it, some don’t - ain’t a point of contention.
Now, all that being said, it is more than possible for you to progress in the game with only a relatively small amount of interference from others if that’s what you want. Do a bit of digging on the forum or come ask specific questions. There’s no need not to load voyages and spend hours practicing this or that. This is just a game, not a career. Stick with it, keep distance between you and others and constantly scan for other ships. You’ve been unlucky, I’ve not experienced any PvP in days.
I bought this terrible game at launch and decided to replay it recently and was having fun sailing around. Found one box of loot and the first thing I run into when I get back to an island is some PC aim botting awipe that instantly kills me and then sinks my ship before I even re-spawn.
So yes add PvE and I might download it some day otherwise nope.
@anubis316 said in Pirate Haven:
2-5 hour ban on shop keepers? I haven't used them in 2-5 months, lol. I think that is not much of a punishment. maybe 2-5 hr ban for faction leaders. But also no I disagree with this request. We don't need a safe haven
EXACTLY THE PROBLEM RIGHT HERE
If the game is sea of thieves and pirates, well sea of thieves is supposed to steal to gain pirates are supposed to steal for gain there are too many players like yourself who ruin it for players like me,i love this game, for the pve and i realize that pvp is going to happen and still to this day in the month i've been playing i haven't been able to "win" a battle and sell my loot after getting attack and that sucks for me because i spend the hours of "hard work" only to come across players who have ZERO interest in what the game was designed for
this game is NOT a PVP game with an element of PVE this game is a PVE with the element of PVP
so getting spawn camped 10x in a row only to have to scuttle my ship and then an hour later get tracked down by the same damn ship because all he does is sail around looking for that PVP element.
This is not battlefield or nor is it a PVP game for the sake of killing other people over and over again,if you're out doing your own thing and you come across a ship and decide to try and steal their stuff FINE thats great thats what the game is made for but if all you're doing it sailing around looking for players instead of looking for and doing quests and gold ETC then maybe you should go elsewhere because thats what causes players like myself to leave and being an average player and knowing that most of the world are average players its your type that is hurting the game the most because yeah some of us want to enjoy the game not just constantly get followed and tracked whereever you go
pretty sure thats why RARE created the arena because the arena should be the ONLY place that is strictly PVP
i don't know how many times i can count where i get killed over and over and over and over so i scuttle and then sail back overthere because i left some stuff on the island only to find my loot sitting on the island or floating in the water as bait because some aho wants to hide behind a rock where icant see them so that when i collect it i get run down againsame with nwo and the other guy this isn't a PVP game so why are you treating it like such? if you're so into PVP why don't you go to a game that is designed for that aspect of game play? why come to a game that has really bad combat play that makes really good good players just good and players like myself just absoloutly miserable, and yeah i've played a couple of the FPS PVP games and becaause they were designed for it i could hold my own but on here it really just sucks, and it sucks so much more because i love the game and pvp would be fine to if it was that random encounter and fighting out the battle but almost every player i come across doesn't care about trying to attack your boat or trying to steal your loot or resources all they care about is that FPS close quarters combat even though you can literally come back 25 times and never kill one of them even once
@vowels771
You have no idea what you are talking about. Its a pvpve game. And attacking players with no loot is perfectly acceptable.The arena is not a pvp mode its a condensed version of adventure. Made for players who dont have much time to play.
@perfect-dark-51
How do you know he was on pc?
How do you know he was aimbotting?
How were u insta killed?Yet you have no idea what kind of game you are playing? Or even how to play?
Post like yours are exaggerated. Its pathetic.
Since u know so much, then u must know Rare has stated PVE servers will not happen. Thanks for slandering the pc community btw
@nwo-azcrack
sure attacking players with no loot is fine becasue how else are you going to see if they have loot,
but deliberatly going around attacking people over and over and over again and not even taking the loot if they have some
what do you care to turn chests and stuff in, you're already PL you don't need anymore gold so whats left?
and thats a problem@vowels771
I dont attack the same ppl over and over. I used to kill everyone on the server once then switch servers.I didnt care about loot then, and i dont care about it now.
Im out there to remind everyone to check the horizon. To make sure players remember that there are pirates out there and your loot is not safe.
Btw i have helped more players, new and old than you ever will. I have robbed players and returned their loot. I have had new players beg me not to kill them since they were still learning. We sailed togeather after that while i trained them.
I think u just cant handle a pvp game with no boundries. Its up to you to defend yourself at all times. Loot is not yours until you turn it in.
And before you say i steal all of your "hard work", let me tell you its much harder to take someones loot than it is to dig it up or find it laying around on beaches.
@vowels771 said in plz don't add pve only servers, it's gonna be terrible:
this game is NOT a PVP game with an element of PVE this game is a PVE with the element of PVP
so getting spawn camped 10x in a row only to have to scuttle my ship and then an hour later get tracked down by the same damn ship because all he does is sail around looking for that PVP element.
This is not battlefield or nor is it a PVP game for the sake of killing other people over and over again,if you're out doing your own thing and you come across a ship and decide to try and steal their stuff FINE thats great thats what the game is made for but if all you're doing it sailing around looking for players instead of looking for and doing quests and gold ETC then maybe you should go elsewhere because thats what causes players like myself to leave and being an average player and knowing that most of the world are average players its your type that is hurting the game the most because yeah some of us want to enjoy the game not just constantly get followed and tracked whereever you go
pretty sure thats why RARE created the arena because the arena should be the ONLY place that is strictly PVP
i don't know how many times i can count where i get killed over and over and over and over so i scuttle and then sail back overthere because i left some stuff on the island only to find my loot sitting on the island or floating in the water as bait because some aho wants to hide behind a rock where icant see them so that when i collect it i get run down againsame with nwo and the other guy this isn't a PVP game so why are you treating it like such? if you're so into PVP why don't you go to a game that is designed for that aspect of game play? why come to a game that has really bad combat play that makes really good good players just good and players like myself just absoloutly miserable, and yeah i've played a couple of the FPS PVP games and becaause they were designed for it i could hold my own but on here it really just sucks, and it sucks so much more because i love the game and pvp would be fine to if it was that random encounter and fighting out the battle but almost every player i come across doesn't care about trying to attack your boat or trying to steal your loot or resources all they care about is that FPS close quarters combat even though you can literally come back 25 times and never kill one of them even once
First of no! The game was designed with both PvP and PvE equally in mind not other slightly over the other.
This game has very simple combat mechanics so if you can hold your own in FPS games with a little practice you should be able to in this one as well. And again where do these people keep meeting these nasty mean spawn killers? Never met one in a normal play session, when I was a noob or now as an experienced legend. Only time I got into a spawn camping situation was when I got into one of those alliance exploit servers and sunk a couple ships then the whole fleet came for me and was boarded by 12 people. Even then I was just laughing how pathetic they were.
You are mistaken its not a pve game with a hint of pvp nor is it a pvp game with a hint of pve, its a pvpve or pvevp game. Also i concur with @NWO-Azcrack Arena is no more or less pvp then adventure, its just a competitive game mode.
Both play styles are interconnected and you csn simply see that from some design choices:
-you dont get gold/rep from collecting animals/cargo, digging up chests, finding/fishing up fish or killing skeleton captains.
-you only get rewarded if you are able to deliver said items safely to the respective representative.
A simple statement that has been made by Rare is that no loot is yours untill it is safely delivered and sold.
I play both sides of the coin (pvp and pve) but i understand the simple fact that players that choose the stealing only lifestyle are using a valid, accepted and intended strategy too.
Lets just read up on the recently releaswd code of conduct:
Be a good sport. Sea of Thieves is a pirate game, and stealth, stealing and battles are all part of the fun. All pirates on the seas accept that, but be a good sportsman in both victory and loss.
Source: https://www.seaofthieves.com/code-of-conduct
There is also a multitude of reason why people with or without loot can get sunk.
For instance: if i have a ship filled to the brim with loot and you are at an island i need to be at (maybe an outpost) i can choos to remove the risk of you being there to sink us or steal treasure.
@brimst0ne said in plz don't add pve only servers, it's gonna be terrible:
I don't see why not. There are a lot of low skilled players who would enjoy it. Let them play how they want. What do you care?
I care, because why should they have it any easier? And also without the challenge that PvP offers they never get any better.
