THE TRUE PROBLEM WITH SEA OF THIEVES

@goatsintrees090 said Everyone wants ths game to be personalized for themselves, created to perfectly serve their video game fantasy. One, this is totally selfish because the devs have the mind bending task of fulfilling everyones needs, but it's impossible with the two playstyles clashing in game.

That’s exactly what you are doing here. You called it selfish for the game to be personalized for themselves but then suggest to personalize it to your own tastes.

@goatsintrees090 sigh. People who pvp in the game like it cause it can get them gold by sinking others for treasure. PvP isn’t good without the PvE and PvE isn’t difficult without the PvP. Anyone who argues differently don’t see the core motives of the game. Being pirate is what you think it is. It can be the sailor who dig up treasures and hidden relics. It could be sailors who discover cursed ruins with puzzles and treasure at the end. The sailors fighting mystical beasts just to tell a story at the local tavern. The problem is not the PvP or PvE, it’s the people perspective of being a pirate. You can’t be a pirate without some sailors, but you can’t be a weathered sailor without some threats along the journey. I am a pvpve person. I play the game how it is. If you attack me, I sink you. If I want treasure, I dig it up. If I want to see a pretty explosion, I explode your boat. If I want fish sold I fish, steal fish, or loot it out of barrels. Play the game how you like. There’s no problem playing it your way, just make sure you can defend your way of playing. There’s a weathered sailors words for you.

@weststormborn couldn’t agree more.

@goatsintrees090 said in THE TRUE PROBLEM WITH SEA OF THIEVES:

I loved this game since I first watched 8 bitryan play it. But... I just don't feel the same anymore. Please read fully and contribute your ideas, but don't be toxic please.
Even that is a big issue in this game.

Just before I go ahead I'm going to remind you that having a different opinion isn't being toxic. So, Here we go:

I commented this on a video of Summit's big rant. I felt I wanted to put it here. Some edits have been made.

Summit, I don't always agree with you, but I feel you're right. I wish to discuss/rant about what I feel is wrong with this game.

The fundamental problem is PvP vs PvE. Summit is obviously big for PvP, but I like the PvE side of sea of thieves. What's the conflict? THEY BOTH SHOULD NOT BE A PART OF THE GAME! Because they don't match!

In my opinion (and I know lots of people agree with me) they do match. It's an open world where freedom is the norm. What would this game be without the freedom to loot and plunder other pirates, to sail knowing there are others about.
It would just be another generic game like the next Arena shooter (call of duty 24 or something) or another Survival game or whatever, but Rare chose to make a unique game where we're all pirates with the freedom to choose how we go about into this world. So it does match.

Someone who likes PvE can have the experience ruined by a PvP person or event, and vice versa.

Experience ruined? Please elaborate on this? Is losing in a game having your experience ruined? Because I feel that loss is as much part of gaming as food is to Cooking. Do you feel that Dark Souls is ruined when you're beaten by an enemy? Because it killed you and that was outside of your skill level and thus outside of your controll?

A game should truly only focus at one at a time, for example, TF2 and Minecraft. (Although I think that this can be solved in SoT by letting PvE and PvP exclusive servers exist separate... ahem.)

You started trying to make a point but never finished... What's with TF2 and Minecraft? Minecraft has PvP in it and TF2 has PvE in it. Also Seperate servers have been discussed before and I've brought up Elite dangerous as an example multiple times, a game that had Open PvP and PvE in one game and chose to give people private servers and Solo servers but now wants to nerf those becausse no-one plays in open because you can't grind to your hearts content and those encounters that make the game fun aren't happening.

Also the entire core of the game sucks because no matter what you do, it's just a stupid, totally non-pirate experience BECAUSE WHAT KIND OF PIRATE JUST GRINDS AND GRINDS AND GETS PUSHED TO THE LIMITS OF THEIR SANITY BY THE IDIOTIC, TOTALLY NOT PIRATE GAMEPLAY THAT IS ONLY WHAT THIS GAME IS?!

Ok, I Honestly don't get what your point is. You don't want PvE but you want to have more loot stolen? Because that's wat pirates did, they robbed people and killed anyone who got in their way. If we only had skeletons to fight and no other pirates that would be the most un pirate thing ever because pirates didn't fight the living dead ever because they don't exist. You also don't have to grind. I don't really understand why people need to achieve something to have fun. Why not sail around have adventures? Always so obsessed about progress, so obsessed that they don't see the game for what it is.
Also also, your capslock seems to be turned on.

I want to love this game, but it's so linear and not well mixed. I wish it was more like No Mans Sky, with the super procedurally generated everything. That would feel like a way more realistic pirate experience!

Ok, now I get the feeling you've not even played Sea of Thieves for an hour. This open world Sandbox is all but Linear. Where are you getting this Idea from?

Unfortunately, some people do like that type of grind. I don't want to belittle those people's opinions, I just want to share mine. This is also an affect of the PvE + PvP thing. Since everyone has a different opinion and different people like those two things, it creates conflict. Everyone wants ths game to be personalized for themselves, created to perfectly serve their video game fantasy. One, this is totally selfish because the devs have the mind bending task of fulfilling everyones needs, but it's impossible with the two playstyles clashing in-game.

So, you're saying that people want the game to be what they want it to be in a post where you're complaining that the game isn't what you want it to be? I'm confused mate. Really confused.

Two, everyone needs to calm down and not be a bunch of meatheads who think their opinions are law and anyone who doesn't share those opinions should be cussed into oblivion!! See all sides of the issue, the dev's, the PvE's and the PvP's side of things, and maybe we can get something done when we all learn some basic people skills. (If you're already like this, thank you.)

Just a little newsflsh, discussions are a form of sharing your opinions. It's not declaring your opionon is law. But the Hypocracy here is that you first say that people who say something like their opinion is law are meatheads but then go tell us all that your opinion is the best.

In short, I just don't see how Sea of Thieves can be fixed with the clashing gameplay, the bad core mechanics, and the warring playerbase.

Not liking a game or some of its mechanics doesn't mean it has to be fixed. Not everything you don't like is broken.
Sea of Thieves is an ever expanding constantly changing game and we've all seen some changes that were great to some and horrible to others. To me Rare's choice to seperate X-Box and PC players was a poor choice but to others it's the best choice. I can dissagree but in the end it's Rare's game not mine. I bought it and I play it and I love it but I didn't make it and I don't change it. Rare does.

I hope one day, we can all be happy with this game.

We can't. And that's your problem. If you don't like a game, play something else. I don't like call of duty so I don't play it. I'm not going to play CoD and go to the forums complaining that there are too many players killing me because I know that's part of the game.
You're missing that realisation matey.

We shouldn't have PVE and PvP servers. Heck no!! The biggest problem with Sea of Thieves is how worthless gold is. The reason it is worthless is because we don't have anything to spend it on. We are so lacking in cosmetics that there is no reason to even bother doing quests or forts. Cosmetics were suppose to be the main purpose of the game but we haven't gotten anything worth our time since launch.

@goatsintrees090 said in THE TRUE PROBLEM WITH SEA OF THIEVES:

Also the entire core of the game sucks because no matter what you do, it's just a stupid, totally non-pirate experience BECAUSE WHAT KIND OF PIRATE JUST GRINDS AND GRINDS AND GETS PUSHED TO THE LIMITS OF THEIR SANITY BY THE IDIOTIC, TOTALLY NOT PIRATE GAMEPLAY THAT IS ONLY WHAT THIS GAME IS?!

I am not grinding over and over again. There are many adventures what i experienced in my voyages. There isn't always grinding. Did you ever meet a sailor in need? Did you ever have more than 4 guys on your ship? Did you ever beat fort with other ship and split the treasure 1:1? Did you ever stopped enemy ship and took his supplies without killing anyone? Did you ever have a fight as captain vs captain on the ship where the crews were standing and shouting? Did you ever steal a chest from other ship? Did you ever help anyone with their voyage or tall tale? Did you ever steal tall tale item and make an exchange Item for all of their supplies?

Sea Of Thieves is an ADVENTURE game. You've got the tools, install a microphone and stop grinding, just live your pirate life. There are uncountable number of stories on Sea Of Thieves.

@goatsintrees090 THE TRUE PROBLEM WITH SEA OF THIEVES (in my opinion)

I highly suggest Sailaway Simulator for your non PVP desires

@goatsintrees090 what your suggesting is a different game and would make the game less popular. Your actually onto something though. All you need to do is take your opinion and pick the opposite of it, lol. More focus needs to be given to balance the pvp and pve to a greater degree. The last monthly event moved in that direction. I mean come on, you love pvp and RARE GAVE YOU TALL TALES in the middle of an open world game where pvp is a risk on the seas. That is actually a remarkable feat and yet you still dont get it. I think u just want a different game so I am not sure the point of posting for a pure pve experience.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and one may certainly post that opinion here. But players that profess love for the game then bash it for what it is, kind of indicates a level of burnout.

I learned last year, it's better to let Rare build their dream game as they see fit, while I find my own motivation to stay engaged.
Right now I just want to grind Sea Dog faction, occasionally returning to Adventure for time limited events and swag.

There are many other pirates that enjoy SoT for what it is, not what we expect it to be. The true problem with SoT is gamers expectations.

I just cant wait to see what Rare does next.

@hynieth

Experience ruined? Please elaborate on this? Is losing in a game having your experience ruined? Because I feel that loss is as much part of gaming as food is to Cooking. Do you feel that Dark Souls is ruined when you're beaten by an enemy? Because it killed you and that was outside of your skill level and thus outside of your controll?

Sore losers, plain and simple. Before people call me callous, allow me to break down this mentality. If the contigency of fun is solely determined by the win condition, your a sore loser. Lets take Tall Tales for example, we've all seen the posts. "I was sailing for 3 hours and my time was wasted by PvP, fix it!" So, in that entire times of sailing, you didn't enjoy solving the puzzles? How about the camaraderie with your crew, wasn't that fun either? How about blasting back on that attacking ship, wasn't it exciting? If its no to these, then your a sore loser, plain and simple.

I've lost loot before, but I still had fun losing it.

@shut-ur-mouth said in THE TRUE PROBLEM WITH SEA OF THIEVES:

The biggest problem with Sea of Thieves is how worthless gold is.

YES, finally someone else that see's this problem!!

Nobody cares about treasure and forts as much anymore because so many people got over millions of gold and no real way of spending it. Therefore treasure starts losing its value.

You do realize how poor of character Summit is? “insert curse word here the pirate code!”. He trash talks people he’s attacking, he doesn’t respect players or the game, he literally is the embodiment of toxicity in SoT.

Honest to goodness there’s multiple games with PvP and PvE (RDR2, sometimes Blackout from BO4, Minecraft, correct me if I’m wrong but I think skyrim is another one, you get the idea). There’s nothing wrong with PvP and PvE, and in Sea of Thieves very rarely do both happen at the same time, aside from Forts and when you’re on an island with skeletons.

Chances of PVP happening and a kraken coming along or the megalodon are slim, and I’ve used Skevin more than once to help me out of a sticky situation, since sloops can be faster and the attention will be put on whoever is trying to chase me.

Im not sure what happened that got him to complain so much, but he’s complaining about things that definitely cannot be changed. PvP and PvE was in the game directly from the start.

The devs have been working hard to make this game as fair to everyone as possible. Don’t give them flak for that.