Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.

This is something the devs want to make eventually.

Can I ask what part of everything you asked for can't be done currently in Adventure? but with a little extra work?

Drunk Races - can be done
Dueling Pistols - can and has been done
Rowboat races - can be done
The Hunt? - more info but can still be done in Adventure. Have an alliance of a couple Gallys and have 5 or so athenas on board, then find a couple sloops and say, "first one to bring 10 pieces of Meg get the treasure" you can even follow them to stream it

No need for "streaming/clan servers"

I just dont see it bringing anything to the game apart from making it easyier for select people

@badassfro The point is that especially getting around 20 clan members on a single server for some of the events takes a lot of work. Sometimes it takes over 4 or 5 hours to find and convince all the other ships on the server to let us take over their ships (and even then with the different ship sizes it's almost impossible to get more that 12 or 13 members in 1 game). That is a lot of preparation work and time to organize an event. Some of us do have lives outside gaming as well.

So "no need for streaming/clan servers" that is your opinion, but we feel differently. Like I said you wouldn't be able to get any ingame rewards or mission on these servers so it's not like we want our own closed off section of the game. It's just as an extra for these event occasions that we do alongside playing the regular game.

why segregate it to clans? why not be inclusive and do it on adventure where anyone can join?

to be perfectly hoest I don't think SoT works with Clans, at the moment Clans are just a way to game the system but thats a different conversation for a different time thread

@badassfro said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

why segregate it to clans? why not be inclusive and do it on adventure where anyone can join?

Well if you read my first post properly, you would have seen that I do suggest that the devs could set up servers with some preplanned events like the ones we do as well. Those would be open to anyone, but as a community, we would like to do events with all the people we play with sometimes as well

@badassfro said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

to be perfectly hoest I don't think SoT works with Clans, at the moment Clans are just a way to game the system but thats a different conversation for a different time thread

Sounds to me you're just hating on clans. All our clan does is allow for people to always have crews to sail with, that are not squeekers or abusive randoms. We have rules of behavior that our members have to abide by, so everybody in our clan can be sure that they play with like minded people and just have fun... there's no "gaming the system" whatever that may mean.

Then my question is why put so much effort (on the devs part) into making "event" servers for a "select" group of people

Instead of say adding content???

@badassfro said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

Then my question is why put so much effort (on the devs part) into making "event" servers for a "select" group of people

Instead of say adding content???

They wouldn't have to. Like with many other games, use the creativity of your player base to set up and form these events that they in turn can share with the community. All the devs would have to do is create a proper sandbox mode for this.

Im not hating on clans, I just don't see the point in them for a game like SoT which is so dependent on session (as in every session is different)
I also said that was not to be debated here - please don't use that as an excuse as you still have failed to mention what this Event server will bring to all players

@aod-woutah78 said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@badassfro said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

Then my question is why put so much effort (on the devs part) into making "event" servers for a "select" group of people

Instead of say adding content???

They wouldn't have to. Like with many other games, use the creativity of your player base to set up and form these events that they in turn can share with the community. All the devs would have to do is create a proper sandbox mode for this.

Then what do you need them for? set it up your self, if what you want is a way to get your "clan" together on the same server then I say why cant you use Adventure to setup your Events and involve everyone

@badassfro said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@aod-woutah78 said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@badassfro said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

Then my question is why put so much effort (on the devs part) into making "event" servers for a "select" group of people

Instead of say adding content???

They wouldn't have to. Like with many other games, use the creativity of your player base to set up and form these events that they in turn can share with the community. All the devs would have to do is create a proper sandbox mode for this.

Then what do you need them for? set it up your self, if what you want is a way to get your "clan" together on the same server then I say why cant you use Adventure to setup your Events and involve everyone

Sigh, I explained that already so I'm not going to repeat myself ten times. You just go ahead and enjoy your game and please go bother someone else with your negativity.

All we want is to add another fun element to the game... that is all.

but its just an element for you and you alone, oh sorry your clan

I'm sorry I would prefer suggestions that were inclusive and not exclusive, but your right I am enjoying the game

@jetorchidee97 I have had races with other crews, I have had sowrd and pistol duels with galleon crews all the while soloing my sloop

I would say its all about giving them the choice to join in, I'm saying it would be easy for the people trying to set it up but not impossible and doesn't require a whole segregated area

@badassfro said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

but its just an element for you and you alone, oh sorry your clan

No it's not, it's an element for everyone, but you just seem to refuse to believe that.

@jetorchidee97 Thanks, glad someone understands what I'm saying.

@aod-woutah78 said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@badassfro said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

but its just an element for you and you alone, oh sorry your clan

No it's not, it's an element for everyone, but you just seem to refuse to believe that.

dont see how it can be for everyone if you dont have a clan?

if I'm solo do I then a private server? cause slippery sloop if you suggesting that,

If not then I would need a clan, no?

It's not that i refuse to beleive that its that is how you have explained it

@jetorchidee97 said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

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@aod-woutah78 said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@badassfro said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

Then my question is why put so much effort (on the devs part) into making "event" servers for a "select" group of people

Instead of say adding content???

They wouldn't have to. Like with many other games, use the creativity of your player base to set up and form these events that they in turn can share with the community. All the devs would have to do is create a proper sandbox mode for this.

Then what do you need them for? set it up your self, if what you want is a way to get your "clan" together on the same server then I say why cant you use Adventure to setup your Events and involve everyone

And what if the players on the server don't want to do the events? There's many scenarios where it would simply not work. Maybe it will be there in a year or 2 there's plenty of things coming for everyone. I don't have any clan for your information but I would love to see what the community could create with this kind of tools.

and how would you "experience" these things that they have made?

watching their youtube videos?

im yet to see the value added with this suggestion apart from a sandbox for @AOD-Woutah78 and his friends, and noone has said otherwise

@xcalypt0x said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@aod-woutah78 @BadassFro The devs don't even need to set up the servers. They just need to provide the community with the ability to do so. Similar to how Minecraft provides the code and resources for people to set up servers.

Then anyone in the community can spin up a server instance and share it with whomever they want. Any progress wouldn't carry over to the official game because the server host would be storing everything.

problem with that is how is that any different than private servers that anyone can then go on to escape the harsh realities of Adventure, and I certinly don't waant to start that debate

@xcalypt0x said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@aod-woutah78 @BadassFro The devs don't even need to set up the servers. They just need to provide the community with the ability to do so. Similar to how Minecraft provides the code and resources for people to set up servers.

Then anyone in the community can spin up a server instance and share it with whomever they want. Any progress wouldn't carry over to the official game because the server host would be storing everything.

That could definitely work. I absolutely love the games that allow for their fanbase to use their creativity and add to the game. Those are usually the games that last the longest as well.

@jetorchidee97 said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

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@jetorchidee97 I have had races with other crews, I have had sowrd and pistol duels with galleon crews all the while soloing my sloop

I would say its all about giving them the choice to join in, I'm saying it would be easy for the people trying to set it up but not impossible and doesn't require a whole segregated area

Of course, it's possible and I do unterstand your point. It's a debate that heavily relies on how much is the SoT playerbase. If it's very low then yes I think you make a point, but if it's pretty high, then it should be ok and could eventually bring new and returning players.
I don't expect it to happen soon, but I think it would be a nice addition (like the creative mode in Minecraft).

Yes I like to watch those kind of events on twitch, youtube. There was those community made events from Fortune & the Pirate Council : En Guarde, Beacon Brawlers, Skullball and that was really nice to watch and in my opinion, I might say better than what is the Arena right now.

If thats the case I would prefer to watch those things setup by the Devs like the lets plays they do. I also completly agree all those events setup by the Council didn't need a private sandbox server

Im sorry but since it is for clans it wouldn't affect me or the majority of people who sail solo

I think it only working in Minecraft as it's a game about design, a creative mode makes sence.

A sandbox server to get together to mess around without any other players just goes against the whole SoT ethos for me.

@jetorchidee97 They also organized the Arena Tournaments at Guardian Con (battle for Orlando) and before we had the Battle for LA. Those are fun to watch on stream. And like I said before, to be able to do something like that with the clan would just be events that we do once every 2 or 4 weeks because our members would still be playing the regular Adventure and Arena mode the rest (most) of the time to get the in game rewards and commendations and everything else the game offers.

The other events that can be created in the sandbox mode, like for instance a rowboat race would allow a creator to determine for instance that he/she wants to have this be a race for 8 players and have 8 rowboats and all the players spawn in at the start island, set checkpoints along the way and maybe even set additional challenges (like having to carry a powderkeg or a grogchest)... Then after it is created he/she can share it online with the whole SoT community and everyone can start or take part in it. But just like when you choose your ship, you can select if you want to do the event in an open or closed crew.

@xcalypt0x said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@badassfro said in [Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.]

Im sorry but since it is for clans it wouldn't affect me or the majority of people who sail solo

It wouldn't be specifically for clans. That's just the example OP is using.

then whats stopping anyone using it as a (im going to regret this) PvE only server?

this just smells like PvE through the backdoor

@badassfro said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@xcalypt0x said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@aod-woutah78 @BadassFro The devs don't even need to set up the servers. They just need to provide the community with the ability to do so. Similar to how Minecraft provides the code and resources for people to set up servers.

Then anyone in the community can spin up a server instance and share it with whomever they want. Any progress wouldn't carry over to the official game because the server host would be storing everything.

problem with that is how is that any different than private servers that anyone can then go on to escape the harsh realities of Adventure, and I certinly don't waant to start that debate

It's not about creating a "clan server" as you originally put it. It's about creating a Sandbox mode that players can opt into for whatever reason, for however long. It's not about escaping the main game, it's about having a space for creating a separate event outside of the main game, which allows ANYONE to host ANY kind of event without having to work through 5+ hrs of prep work to start. I'm sorry you dont have a group of dedicated players to experience these sorts of events with regularly, though yes I acknowledge that you have joined in with other groups on occasion.

Our clan has hosted a large number of "open-events" where the whole point is to have random players join in with us, so it's not about us "segregrating, or being exclusive". Sometimes its fun to keep things in house - not all the time, just occasionally. That is the overall point being made. It would be awesome if the ability was there.

If some players want to go and just play on a private server thats up to them. No one is saying you specifically need to do that and no is saying that you specifically need to join in either. All that is being said is having the option could be beneficial.

@aod-bear79 said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@badassfro said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@xcalypt0x said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@aod-woutah78 @BadassFro The devs don't even need to set up the servers. They just need to provide the community with the ability to do so. Similar to how Minecraft provides the code and resources for people to set up servers.

Then anyone in the community can spin up a server instance and share it with whomever they want. Any progress wouldn't carry over to the official game because the server host would be storing everything.

problem with that is how is that any different than private servers that anyone can then go on to escape the harsh realities of Adventure, and I certinly don't waant to start that debate

It's not about creating a "clan server" as you originally put it. It's about creating a Sandbox mode that players can opt into for whatever reason, for however long. It's not about escaping the main game, it's about having a space for creating a separate event outside of the main game, which allows ANYONE to host ANY kind of event without having to work through 5+ hrs of prep work to start. I'm sorry you dont have a group of dedicated players to experience these sorts of events with regularly, though yes I acknowledge that you have joined in with other groups on occasion.

Our clan has hosted a large number of "open-events" where the whole point is to have random players join in with us, so it's not about us "segregrating, or being exclusive". Sometimes its fun to keep things in house - not all the time, just occasionally. That is the overall point being made. It would be awesome if the ability was there.

If some players want to go and just play on a private server thats up to them. No one is saying you specifically need to do that and no is saying that you specifically need to join in either. All that is being said is having the option could be beneficial.

then it is just PvE through the backdoor

also never joined in any groups just did that myself in adventure,
and as you hav said it just allows you to do it easier than spending 5 hours +

So again I just see this as "easy" mode - eassy mode for you to setup events, can easily be easy mode to just chill sailing

I am a memember of a clan for meany other games just dont see the point in it on SoT but thanks for the veiled dig about not having friends lol

Also love the fact @AOD-Woutah78 had to tag you in to back up his side

I'm done with this you've pretty much just admitted this is for private servers which if you AOD guys have been around long enough would know is totally against the "play the game how you want"

@xcalypt0x said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

The fact that no progress would count towards the official game.

Exactly. No in game benefits would come from this.

@aod-woutah78 said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

@xcalypt0x said in Create real sandbox servers to allow creative group/clan events.:

The fact that no progress would count towards the official game.

Exactly. No in game benefits would come from this.

Thats been the argument for Private servers, and im not going to start that in here, please search the forum and read the endless threads on Privte/Pve/Sandbox servers, zero progression has been mentioned plenty times