Disabling Cross Platform

@saws-n-sins said in Disabling Cross Platform:

@troubled-cells you're just confirming my original post that 100% of players complaing about optional cross play is pc players. Time and time again it's proven pc is a night and day difference advantage over console. Only pc players will complain about adding optional crossplay cause they like the advantage. You can have whatever opinion you want but decades of studies have shown otherwise.

Yes K&M can be used on console but should only be in servers with other K&M users. The argument that optional crossplay is going to kill the playerbase is the stupidest logic. According to that logic there must be less than 100 total active players in this game for it to actual make a difference when splitting them. If that's the case then the games is already dead. That is not the case though and thousands of people play this game, optional crossplay isnt going to kill the playerbase and game.

Not a single console player will complain about optional crossplay, simple cause they can just leave the option on. Only pc players are complaining and that should say something right there.

False , if you go to the official announcement on this forum there are console players posting that actually want to stay In the cross play servers because they think the split is a bad idea and are complaining against it. They are few and far between but they exist.

If you had said keyboard and mouse has a advantage I would 100% totally agree. But you said pc, and again are generalising a entire platform, there are pc players that have lower specs than Xbox playing this game and thus having a worse experience with some aspects according to your own logic for your console arguement. The actual truth is both platforms have advantages and disadvantages over each other.

Also when this announcement was made Joe neate tried badly to address concerns about population, he cherry picked a ratio over a 2 day period , it showed about 30% of players were on pc, the game was highly populated at the time because of shrouded spoils and exposure from influencers like summit1g, Burke black, Captain falcore & Dr disrespect contributing to it. I actually suspect the pc player base overall would be lower , I would have preferred they give a overall ratio since release or quarterly, Instead of a cherry picked 2 day period.

@saws-n-sins said in Disabling Cross Platform:

@troubled-cells Well there you go, you just said some console gamers would have the option turned on. Nothing to worry about, according to your own words lots of xbox players will still crossplay. So what's the issu? Lots of console gamers on the other hand also don't want crossplay. In fact most xbox gamers are upset micrsoft is adding K&M support. Console was fair competitive gaming grounds cause everybody used the same input (controller). Thankfully some games don't allow it and will actually perm ban players for using it (R6S for example), people actually prefer the even playing field.

Actually I said they were few and far between, don't spin what I said to suit you're narrative and try to imply that I am on about a large amount of players.

Not saying you was spouting it, but the the majority of those saying optional crossplay is ba, the only excuse is it would kill the player base and that is still a stupid logic. Even if it is really 30% play on pc, people act like that means less than 100 people or something. That is just not the case, it won't kill the game. It's kinda sad that, well that is the only reason people are complaining about it.

Again my actual suspicions are that the count is lower than 30% I already gave legitimate reasons so I won't repeat them but if I had to guess I would say it's In the low 20's

Also not you but somebody else said the only reason they gave this game a chance was the added crossplay. Like really? That is the only reason?Well there is a few dozen games on xbox alone that crossplay with pc, so you still have many options. Some of them being competitive to

So are you telling me to just play something else ? Because it seems that's what you are implying.

My belief is that it would be better to allow pc players with controllers In to the controller only pool. After all isn't this all about choice ? Surely those players shouldn't be neglected. Because if they are to be neglected then the whole keyboard and mouse arguement from console players becomes a double standard.

@saws-n-sins said in Disabling Cross Platform:

@troubled-cells lol I never said it was you so no im not telling you to play anything...

Good , I'm just saying that's how you come across , so please be mindful. Even towards others.

Honestly, id rather rare pool players by input if there is no option for crossplay. Controllers play with controllers only and vice versa. Some games already do this (im talking about crossplay games as well)

Edit : I missread

Division by input only, cross play for all. Glad I could help you see that, and why division by platform is actually a bad idea.

@saws-n-sins said in Disabling Cross Platform:

@troubled-cells agree, Rare would need to implement such a thing for SoT though. Until then an option for crossplay is all I and others was preaching. The best course of action is to pool by input though. Honestly that is the future of gaming. All platforms crossplay and is pooled by either controller input or k&m input. Just as of now k&m has its advantages over controller. Id love to see Rare take lessons from division

Could I suggest , that if you think division by input is best to suggest to others that this would be better than division by platform? because I genuinely think a lot of people are not even realising this and are overlooking it, I think it would help if we can show to more people that there is a better way forward here.

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@spunkus-skunkus good post, this is about choice.

The way it was announced PC players, particularly controller using PC players were not offered any choice. Xbox gets to choose, PC players get nothing.

Nothing. Whether you believe theres a massive advantage or not. Allowing xbox and only xbox to opt out provides no benefit whatsover to a PC player.

I'm glad that Rare have decided this idea needs more work. It's a completely flawed premise, but as you say it comes from a good place, it comes from wanting to offer players a choice in how they play and who they play with. Whenever they come back from the drawing board I hope they're going to give as much choice to PC players as they do for xbox players.

Anything less than parity of esteem will only cause division and conflict.

In every other game with crossplay, people have a choice - you can't say that players of Sea of Thieves aren't deserving of that same choice.

Not true games like final fantasy 14 force cross play

@spunkus-skunkus said in Disabling Cross Platform:

@boxcar-squidy Oh my apologies; when I say giving players a choice, I do mean for everyone.

It should be based off of the input device being used, where players are given an option to be placed on controller, kb&m, or mixed servers.

Hopefully the developers insure that people don't plug a controller in just to play on 'controller only' servers with a kb&m.

Well put, if they can segregate input on console then I would suspect they can for pc, just literally disable the recognition / drivers for it in controller servers or Something to that effect

@spunkus-skunkus said in Disabling Cross Platform:

@troubled-cells Whilst I don't care much for the Final Fantasy games, what I can tell is that it is an RPG meaning that the input device would be purely based on preference.

Regardless, when does forcing crossplay benefit the community at large?

The ability to play with my friends on other platforms, this is why input division is better, because if they wish to play with me currently they have to instead sacrifice parity and play against K+m users if a console player uses a controller or even a pc player going against a console player using k+m.

Also ff14 is actually a mmo rpg , that also has competitive pvp. There is advantages to be had by using k+m on that game.

@spunkus-skunkus Yeah, I'm not against the idea itself necessarily.

I don't personally believe that there was a big advantage. I'm a controller user. I've never felt that my choice of using a controller has left me worse off. I'm willing to accept that other people feel differently and I support people being allowed to choose. If one person can choose then everyone has to be allowed to choose though.

I've played this game since launch and I don't think it is fair for my gaming experience to be significantly downgraded 12 months after the fact.

If the experience was unbalanced for xbox players then that needs to be fixed without hurting the experiences of the PC player base. If Rare can do that, brilliant. If not, then both sides need to be given the same level of choice and the same ability to decide who they play with.

Either A - I'm right and using a controller isn't a massive disadvantage, therefore xbox opt out worsens the experience of a PC player without actually helping xbox players.

Or

B - I'm wrong. There is a massive advantage and I as a controller user on PC am going to be forced into a worse experience, which at least helps the xbox user, but offers absolutely no benefits to me whatsoever.

Obviously you could tell me to just use KB+M. The question then is: why am I having choices taken away from me, when this whole idea was supposed to be about giving players the ability to choose how they play?

I've had 12 months to build controller muscle memory, I would now have to relearn the game, that doesn't seem like a fair solution to a problem caused (if you believe the advantage argument) by M+KB users.

Lets just wait and see what Rare come up with when they next talk about this idea. I'm sure they've heard all the arguments, and even have had a few of their own.

They're still committed to this plan, at least they were when they last spoke about it.

It's too emotive an issue to discuss in depth until we know the details. It just winds up desending into platform v platform pvp, which actually kills any reasonable discussion of the topic.

Please, please, please give players the option to opt out of cross-play.

@spunkus-skunkus yeah that was meant more as a general "you could say to just use a kb+m" not a you specifically, if you get me.

I want fairness. Rare say it won't effect PC players negatively, they haven't specified how that will be the case. They also haven't said how or when they will impliment this change. That leads me to believe that their testing has shown that it WILL have a negative impact and they're still working through the issues. Thats why I say lets wait and see. I think discussion is good, but on this issue, all I seem to see is arguments.

I commented on your post above specifically, because although we might be on different sides of whether we think this is a good idea or not, you made reasonable arguments that I felt added to the discussion. Sadly, posts like yours tend to be in the minority on this topic. This place doesn't need more fuel for arguments and this topic is a minefield. Which is why I suggested that we wait until Rare give us more details to discuss the finer points of the topic. Discuss away, but ultimately I think this thread is likely to end like the 100s of others: in a massive argument and a lock.

I want the divisions in this community to heal. I want us all to remember that whether you're a console player or a PC player, we're all pirates first and foremost and we have much more in common with each other than the minor differences in the devices which we use to play the game.