What happened to them adding the option for us Xbox players to disable cross platform?
Disabling Cross Platform
@corrupt-fellow said in Disabling Cross Platform:
What happened to them adding the option for us Xbox players to disable cross platform?
abandoned, hopefully, but probably just waiting till after this update drops to continue working on it.
@pomalotacusmk3 I don't believe that is the reason people are giving it another chance. It's probably due to all the content coming next week.
@ninja-naranja Exactly, me coming back to the game has nothing to do with cross play. Its 100% all the new content. Also I know people that complain about giving crossplay an option is 100% pc players.
@saws-n-sins said in Disabling Cross Platform:
@ninja-naranja Exactly, me coming back to the game has nothing to do with cross play. Its 100% all the new content. Also I know people that complain about giving crossplay an option is 100% pc players.
I'm on xbox. I believe the pools should be split by input device, not platform.
@marsmayflower Keep in mind PC also has much faster loading times, meaning speedier respawns and mermaids
@wilbymagicbear my xbox with ssd is much faster than an xbox using internal hdd. I should be put into a different pool then, huh?
@marsmayflower
Yes! If you die and go thru door at ferry and have to wait 5 minutes to respawn, while your ship is under attack! Then no. Actually nvm that aint your fault I just need better xbox.@pomalotacusmk3 said in Disabling Cross Platform:
I know lots of players that are giving SoT a second chance. The crossplay announcement was the only reason they gave the game another go. If the xplay options are abandoned, so too will this game be, again.
Doesn't matter if they add it or not the game was not dead nor will it be for some time i'm sure. But if it's not a crossplay issue next week it will be something else lol.
@marsmayflower some games on conosle do have those pools you speak of. Where K&M users only play with K&M users and controllers only play with controllers.
@kasch-s-kunning said in Disabling Cross Platform:
K&M I thought was instituted on Xbox recently.
It was I have a friend on xbox using it and he loves it and has no issues at all playing against pc players.
@hisdarkestfear said in Disabling Cross Platform:
I remember this was brought-up in a earlier stream. Opt-out won't be coming with the Anniversary Update, but rather soon after.
This is correct but I don't believe they said "soon" after it needed some work and the devs wanted it to be done right before adding, as mentioned above the mouse and keyboard for xbox has resolved the pc vs xbox issue for those willing to use it. Those wanting to have something to post on the forums each day... well they will ALWAYS come up with something lol
@ninja-naranja said in Disabling Cross Platform:
@pomalotacusmk3 I don't believe that is the reason people are giving it another chance. It's probably due to all the content coming next week.
No, I'm specifically talking about players i know, myself included, that loved the game. We stopped supporting it *specifically * because rare refused to acknowledge the situation, and reinstalled when they made the announcement. Im not talking about players that quit over 'lack of content', 'greifing', anniversary hype, or any other reason.
@CapnDeath
I did not say the game was dead, or dying. I said that the players who left specifically because of crossplay, will leave again if rare backtrack on their statement.@marsmayflower said in Disabling Cross Platform:
@wilbymagicbear my xbox with ssd is much faster than an xbox using internal hdd. I should be put into a different pool then, huh?
No, rare should just ignore the hdd players complaining, then after 11 months they should acknowledge that the disparity exists, and tell us its gonna take a few months to fix. Lol.
But seriously, if an og xbox or minimum spec pc takes 15 or 20 seconds to mermaid or walk thru the ferry door, then everyone, including ssd owners, should be forced to wait 15 or 20 seconds. Im an xbox ssd owner too, and it feels like I'm cheating tbh.
I dont have a issue with seperating players, I just think doing it by platform is the wrong move.
There should be controller only servers that both PC and Xbox players can access together.
Any other "issues" are resolvable or moot, for example put a respawn timer for players on the ferry. Give Xbox players performance options that offer them 60 FPS at 1080p and 900p respectively etc.
I want to opt out from:
-People with more and better RAM, they load faster.
-ssd they load faster
-Gaming mouse and kb they can do keybindings i cannot and therefore have advantage somehow
-players with bigger screens, higher solutions and less latency because it's an advantage
-from PC players using kb and mouse as i play on Laptop with controller.
-playing versus people who have no glasses, they see better than me
-Players under 30, they have better reaction times than me, unfair advantage.
-Players using a real desk and chair, because i play with Laptop on my knees in bed and cannot be that accurate mostly.
-Players who have no risk to get tab'ed out to your desktop screen while fighting due to forced borderless window mode.Sorry for sarcasm :-)
First is thought ok, it is a disadvantage, but no it is not and you can either choose what input device you use on both systems.
What about PC players have their PC connected to their TV playing on couch with controller?
I can do that easily.
I play with xbox players and i see no disadvantages what justify to opt out.
It's all in your hands and how you setup yourself.@bugaboo-bill Your post has inspired me to purchase a $2000 PC so I can be equal to kb&m players. How dumb of me to be playing on an Xbox with a controller when I can simply splurge thousands of dollars on a gaming rig so that the game is fair!
In all seriousness though, you can argue about console verse PC all day and contrast differences between a keyboard and mouse over an Xbox controller, but you will ultimately accomplish nothing. Now this is mostly down to everyone being a little bit arrogant and people having different opinions (which isn't a bad thing) but when it comes down to it, people just want to play against their equals.
In games like RB6S and Overwatch (two examples of many), the developers match people based on skill and rank so that players are versing their equals (most of the time). In Sea of Thieves however, their is no matchmaking based off skill and no way to determine someone's rank; that is why so many people at the very least, wish to be playing against people of the same console.
Now to me, this seems like no problem whatsoever - I certainly don't want to be versing someone who has a $5000 dollar setup and can statistically aim better, turn faster, and spawn in quicker than I can! No one is saying that they want to abolish cross-play; it's a great thing that can bring communities and friends together to play games of their choice... which is why it shouldn't be forced on people. It's like saying "HERE! Take this purple lollipop, everyone likes it and you should too!" but crossplay just isn't made for everyone.
The one and only argument for forced crossplay is that it would segregate the community, whilst I can think of multiple arguments against it. On top of all the things above, hacking and macro's run rampant on PC, and Xbox players shouldn't have to deal with it. But now's not the time for exchanging blow for blow remarks that no one can agree on, now's the time to make things right. Let people choose what side to be on - if they support crossplay, then nothing will change. If they're against it, then they can play on fairer servers.
Give players the choice.
@spunkus-skunkus sagte in Disabling Cross Platform:
@bugaboo-bill Your post has inspired me to purchase a $2000 PC so I can be equal to kb&m players. How dumb of me to be playing on an Xbox with a controller when I can simply splurge thousands of dollars on a gaming rig so that the game is fair!
A mouse and kb for xbox would have been much cheaper i guess.
In all seriousness though, you can argue about console verse PC all day and contrast differences between a keyboard and mouse over an Xbox controller, but you will ultimately accomplish nothing.
True
Now this is mostly down to everyone being a little bit arrogant and people having different opinions (which isn't a bad thing) but when it comes down to it, people just want to play against their equals.
Absolutely, do you know why i'm against it.
I'm a lazy player, 40+ yo and not a gamer kid of today training my reflexes and do stuff like bunnyhoppimg, 180° jump and turn headshot player etc...
This is not R6S or CS:Go to me and i know these games and i such at them. It's a casual, childs friendly (except some community members) game with no professional gaming combat to tweak for efficency, but a simple, little bit clunky inaccurate combat to water it down to be fun and create not that big power gap between pro gamers and casuals.In games like RB6S and Overwatch (two examples of many), the developers match people based on skill and rank so that players are versing their equals (most of the time). In Sea of Thieves however, their is no matchmaking based off skill and no way to determine someone's rank; that is why so many people at the very least, wish to be playing against people of the same console.
I made suggestions for Matchmaking regarding k/d ratio and such a year ago.
I dont know if it would help.Now to me, this seems like no problem whatsoever - I certainly don't want to be versing someone who has a $5000 dollar setup and can statistically aim better, turn faster, and spawn in quicker than I can! No one is saying that they want to abolish cross-play; it's a great thing that can bring communities and friends together to play games of their choice... which is why it shouldn't be forced on people. It's like saying "HERE! Take this purple lollipop, everyone likes it and you should too!" but crossplay just isn't made for everyone.
I'm all for options, also for PvE Servers and to let people choose to play lime they want to
play.The one and only argument for forced crossplay is that it would segregate the community, whilst I can think of multiple arguments against it. On top of all the things above, hacking and macro's run rampant on PC, and Xbox players shouldn't have to deal with it. But now's not the time for exchanging blow for blow remarks that no one can agree on, now's the time to make things right. Let people choose what side to be on - if they support crossplay, then nothing will change. If they're against it, then they can play on fairer servers.
Give players the choice.
Choice are good.
I'm no hacker or tweaked my game, rig or gameplay.
I just play to have fun.@saws-n-sins the rumours brought me back. No way I'd stick around for any competitive mode with mandatory cross play. Not even a chance. Optional cross play has been requested far more than fishing over the last year.
The problem with the K&M vs Controller argument is that no one realizes what the real benefits are.
Take rocket league for instance. Anyone who is on a PC is told to get a controller because the controller is by far the better device to use when playing that game. Which is funny because K&M is suppose to be the best at everything right?
Now lets take Sea of Thieves. This game is not an FPS game. Almost all close quarters combat happens on ships. This means that combat happens on narrow corridors and obstacles in the way. Instead of matches happening in wide open fields where players are hundreds of feet or 30 to 50 meters apart, they are instead less than 50ft apart in a bottle necked space.
The problem with console players is that they refuse to adapt to the situation. Majority of the players that complain are the ones who do not PvP at all and refuse to learn. I've played with and have seen other console players on the forums agree that there are no issues with K&M vs Controller for this game.
Now don't get me wrong, if combat was mostly done on the islands then I would completely agree with you but it isn't.
When console players actually get taught how to play and are willing to learn they began to realize that they are overreacting to something they have complete control over. They start winning battles instead of losing them and start apologizing and agreeing.
You also mentioned how other FPS games have rankings to split up communities via their KDR and I think @Bugaboo-Bill has also mentioned his idea in the past for this.
The reason why this is not needed is because this is not a competitive game nor should it be taken that way. I have played competitive games in multiple genres and let me tell you its not awesome in the higher ranks. Competitive high level players are the biggest babies of them all. You don't understand toxic till you play with people in higher level leagues. You have the ones who completely believe they are right in all things and should take command of the group. When they are ignored they throw temper tantrums and throw the game, EVEN IF WE ARE WINNING!! Then when we lose, they blame the squad instead of their actions of throwing the game. There are multiple other instances of just poor behavior from higher level leagues.
Queues are also way longer in those instances and you only ever end up playing against the same people. I could go into further detail but long to short, I see only problems with this type of segregation if used for Sea of Thieves and almost 0 good coming from it.
Stop treating Sea of Thieves as a competitive FPS game because it is not. Stop trying to play it as an FPS game and instead ask other PvP'ers what they do under certain situations. Ask questions, practice, learn, adapt.
The only ones who really complain about the supposed mythical imbalance of K&M vs Controller are the ones who don't even know how to PvP in the first place.
@bugaboo-bill said in Disabling Cross Platform:
I want to opt out from:
-People with more and better RAM, they load faster.
-ssd they load faster
-Gaming mouse and kb they can do keybindings i cannot and therefore have advantage somehow
-players with bigger screens, higher solutions and less latency because it's an advantage
-from PC players using kb and mouse as i play on Laptop with controller.
-playing versus people who have no glasses, they see better than me
-Players under 30, they have better reaction times than me, unfair advantage.
-Players using a real desk and chair, because i play with Laptop on my knees in bed and cannot be that accurate mostly.
-Players who have no risk to get tab'ed out to your desktop screen while fighting due to forced borderless window mode.Sorry for sarcasm :-)
First is thought ok, it is a disadvantage, but no it is not and you can either choose what input device you use on both systems.
What about PC players have their PC connected to their TV playing on couch with controller?
I can do that easily.
I play with xbox players and i see no disadvantages what justify to opt out.
It's all in your hands and how you setup yourself.What I find interesting is they can segregate k+m on console apparantly, pc uses the same architecture, give pc players the option to join the controller only servers with the same methods or similar being used for console. Because otherwise rare is being biased and shafting pc players who choose to use a controller. After all this is about choice right?
As for hardware specs, I run a NVME SSD and I still get terrible load times at points, as for graphics I can argue Xbox one X users will have a advantage here over quite a few pc players, but in all honesty I wouldn't say that I blame it for loosing either , I just accept it and get on with it, learn from my mistakes and get better.
I also think the assumption that many pc players using high end rigs en masse is over exaggerated.
@xultanis-dragon this isn't rocket league though... this is an entirely different game. We could also so the exact opposite about other games where m&k is a night and day dideference over a controller where the m&k is better.
It's not just about input either, there is many other reasons why that people have posted. Loading times is one, it's just proven pc players load back in way faster. That is a huge advantage in pvp, to be able to come back to fight way faster is a big advantage that has nothing to do with your input. Console users get ridiculous long black screen loading compared to pc players.
Pc players using macros is a whole different story that shows pc has huge advantage over console. You can say whatever you want that helps you sleep at night but the proof is there and nothing can be said to change that. Like I said earlier, it seems only pc players arw complaining about adding an option for crossplay, and I wonder why.
@saws-n-sins said in Disabling Cross Platform:
@xultanis-dragon this isn't rocket league though... this is an entirely different game. We could also so the exact opposite about other games where m&k is a night and day dideference over a controller where the m&k is better.
Which just goes to show that its not always M&K. The device determines how well you can play. Since this game is not an FPS game and the combat is not in open area's with automatic weapons. The controller works just fine.
The only real issue is that players have a hard time accepting that they need to change up their play style. Some if you ever actually catch some of their replies flat out say they don't want to bother learning how to PvP, they just KNOW that every time they die its to a PC player. Another point is that a lot of them were straight up noobs. They sailed for less than 1m miles and are arguing about how they know everything about the game and its imbalanced.
Then they go into describing how the solo PC player single handedly takes out their whole crew while spinning 360 no scoping everyone and killing everyone with a single hit.
This are the posts that were heavily the majority of players that complained about the imbalance. They also openly dismissed anyone who said they played on console and had no problems against PC players, or even the ones who said it was imbalanced at first and then stated that once they got enough time under their belt, fighting was no problem.
It's not just about input either, there is many other reasons why that people have posted. Loading times is one, it's just proven pc players load back in way faster. That is a huge advantage in pvp, to be able to come back to fight way faster is a big advantage that has nothing to do with your input. Console users get ridiculous long black screen loading compared to pc players.
This is completely false actually. Its been tested by the community. Load times are only an issue when you start the game. Everything else is balanced.
The only real console that has any real issues is the XBoX One Original. The load times for the game itself is pretty balanced.
Again confirmed and tested.
Pc players using macros is a whole different story that shows pc has huge advantage over console. You can say whatever you want that helps you sleep at night but the proof is there and nothing can be said to change that. Like I said earlier, it seems only pc players arw complaining about adding an option for crossplay, and I wonder why.
Its not just PC players. You will probably ignore anyone who says they are on console and have no problems against PC players. You are suggesting macros when there are no macros to be used in this game. There is nothing that needs to be macro'd. The only thing that was possibly macro'd was the double gun technique but even that was perfectly useless.
Could you give me 1 example of a legitimate macro? One that isn't just a pure waste of time and is actually more beneficial then doing it manually? I can't think of a single one that would be needed at the moment.
So you can say whatever YOU want, but you are false on all counts.
@xultanis-dragon Like I said say whatever you want. It is statistically proven time and time again pc players have advantage over console players. Also you make no sense when you say some console players want crossplay. Well then they simply can just keep it on lol, nobody is forcing them to turn it off.
@saws-n-sins
Unfortunately you are wasting your time. You could raise genuine concerns, and provide your own 'tested and confirmed ' opinion, but will be shouted down because your facts differ from theirs. I had a back and forth with dragon in a recent 'hdd vs ssd' thread. He is of the opinion that everyone in the thread was wrong, because he tested blackscreen load times, and his results were different from others. Its literally a bunch of players posting about their upgrade to ssd, and how much quicker their blackscreens are now. We literally see it every time we mermaid/respawn, but apparently we are wrong, and our xboxes are all broken lol.@pomalotacusmk3 lol dragon has followed me around in other threads. I think I upset him by saying otherwise and spitting facts that have been known for like ever. It's been proving time and time again by multiple sources and studies pc has huge advantage over console. These pc players will never admit it though, they think it's an even playing field. Which isnwhy I said in my earlier post I know everyone complaining about adding an option to turn crossplay off is 100% pc players. No console player would complain because if they enjoy crossplay then just leave it on. Some of these pc players just love having the advantages they have.
@bugaboo-bill Yup, I completely agree with you. It doesn't really matter if you bought an X-Box one or a Cheap PC they will run the same.
Imagine if the next generation X-Box comes out with the same insane load times as the Ps5 will get for backwards compatible games.
I'm already seeing the backlash. It's a console so it should go into the console bracket.
Just a friendly reminder that Rareware is a 1st party developer with access to next gen Devkits so they can take this into account for the next gen version of this game too.If you knew that making this change would also take this into effect would you just implement this knowing that next gen x-box players would just outperform their last gen counterparts without issue?
@saws-n-sins said in Disabling Cross Platform:
@xultanis-dragon this isn't rocket league though... this is an entirely different game. We could also so the exact opposite about other games where m&k is a night and day dideference over a controller where the m&k is better.
Which is why console now has the choice of keyboard and mouse
It's not just about input either, there is many other reasons why that people have posted. Loading times is one, it's just proven pc players load back in way faster. That is a huge advantage in pvp, to be able to come back to fight way faster is a big advantage that has nothing to do with your input. Console users get ridiculous long black screen loading compared to pc players.
I have a NVME SSD on my pc, load times can be just as bad for me, I also own a Xbox one X and own sot for both platforms. This leads me to believe part of it is a optimisation issue on rare's end. Please explain my long load times otherwise despite having a 80 mb fibre wired connection and NVME SSD ?
Pc players using macros is a whole different story that shows pc has huge advantage over console. You can say whatever you want that helps you sleep at night but the proof is there and nothing can be said to change that. Like I said earlier, it seems only pc players arw complaining about adding an option for crossplay, and I wonder why.
Macros are a bannable offensive, if players are not being banned, then Instead demand better detection and enforcement of the bans from rare instead of trying to scapegoat a entire platform for the actions of a few bad apples across both pc and console. Also if you personally suspect a player is using macros and can present it decently I would ask you raise a support ticket with rare, they can actually pinpoint specific activity if you give details like the date and time gamertags etc , as well as supporting it even more with screenshots and videos. I've done this and got positive results.
@troubled-cells you're just confirming my original post that 100% of players complaing about optional cross play is pc players. Time and time again it's proven pc is a night and day difference advantage over console. Only pc players will complain about adding optional crossplay cause they like the advantage. You can have whatever opinion you want but decades of studies have shown otherwise.
Yes K&M can be used on console but should only be in servers with other K&M users. The argument that optional crossplay is going to kill the playerbase is the stupidest logic. According to that logic there must be less than 100 total active players in this game for it to actual make a difference when splitting them. If that's the case then the game is already dead. That is not the case though and thousands of people play this game, optional crossplay isnt going to kill the playerbase and game.
Not a single console player will complain about optional crossplay, simple cause they can just leave the option on. Only pc players are complaining and that should say something right there. Also I'm not saying all pc players are (of course not all), just that the ones that are only seems to be pc players.
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