This is a development team who has adopted the moniker "it's not sea of friends" and time and time again given trolls a platform to grief and harass people who want to enjoy your game the way they want. Pc vs Xbox, sloop vs galleon. You have said you didn't want player progression other than cosmetics for the sake of a level playing field and yet you still have these very unbalanced features in your game. The development team overly romanticizes what they think the player base is doing in there game. More times then not, you have people with an advantage preying on people with disadvantages. Your game should not be hardcore mode every time I log on to an adventure server. The developers say they have a problem with pve servers because of player grind with out the risk of griefing but do the developers think it's a fair and balanced game when you are a solo sloop, get attacked by the kraken, a megalodon, and then a 4 player galleon consecutively within a 10 minute period? Honestly the developers are just trolls themselves. They created an entire game mode to cater to the pvp crowd, there is absolutely no reason why you can not create a Pve mode for that a large percentage of your player base wants. I was looking forward to the upcoming update and the new arena mode, but I'm not logging on until you address these very serious issues in a very serious manner. I paid 60 dollars for the game, no where on the box does it say I should be griefed and harassed every time I log on to the game. You should offer refunds for false advertisement on the box art.
The development team themselves, are trolls
I am the one who represents the other minority. I play mainly on the sloop - rarely get griefed.
My box art was on point.but as stated before me, the sloop is hard mode and requires a lot of work, to stay safe at any given time. Good hack is to take the brig to the seas, that might help out a bit scaring ppl away.
I have a crew I play with, that is not the problem. They didn't design the sloop to be a "hard mode." I like slipping it up as well and they shouldn't have one ship completely inexcesible because of imbalancing. Also its very clear that they reserved "hard mode" for the galleon per their last behind the scenes video. That argument is ridiculous. They have made there game unbalanced to sloop players. Also being in a crew only eliminates the fact that you are not solo. You can be consistently griefed in a galleon as well, even if you destroy the other ship time and time again.
@hermano-bundles 1 vs 4 players is going to be unfair no matter what you do. So it hard mode.
Why we call it hard mode is because it needs the player to divide its attention to a lot more things at the same time. And that time it takes one player to use the map, repair, etc is the time when you can't be on the lookout... and given the nature of the game (that one might have something that others might want) is only logical that you will end up in trouble just by lack of hands and eyes.
Ok, everyone needs to stop talking to me like I don't know ways to avoid this stuff. I shouldn't have to go out of my way to avoid this stuff tho. Box art was not in point. Developers do not see the sloop as a "hard mode" go watch the latest behind the scenes video. This is a feedback specific forum, this is MY feedback to the developers.
You shouldn't have to go out of your way to avoid this stuff? Okay... 🙄
I solo sloop for hours at a time and rarely get attacked - perhaps 1 in 4 sessions, it'll happen. Have you tried playing at odd hours or low tide?
And for the record, just because they don't want to call it SoF doesn't mean that they still don't want it to be family friendly. You can beat up other pirates and steal without being a jerk about it. IMO, the best pirates are those you never knew were there, saw coming, or that killed you with kindness.
I'm sorry to say but there really isn't much to complain about. (Let me be clear what I'm about to say is NOT meant to be insulting. You getting "salty as the red sea" (trying to make you laugh) isn't the game developer's fault you say the game isn't balanced but it really is balanced. Name 1 thing that isn't and I'll tell you how it actually is balanced.
@hermano-bundles said in The development team themselves, are trolls:
I guess people are just fixated on the sloop vs galleon aspect of my post instead of looking at it as a whole. I'm a pirate legend, I'm an insider, I understand everything about the game, I'm trying to reach the developers to give feedback and hopefully they see it.
What exactly was the feedback again? I'm not following.
I'm assuming you want a way to deter other player from attacking you?
Otherwise
Skelton ships are random
Meg is random
The Kracken is random
Players (depending on what they want and what mood they're in) are also randomGetting hit by all of this in 10 min can happen easily.
@psycodicslender said in The development team themselves, are trolls:
I'm sorry to say but there really isn't much to complain about. (Let me be clear what I'm about to say is NOT meant to be insulting. You getting "salty as the red sea" (trying to make you laugh) isn't the game developer's fault you say the game isn't balanced but it really is balanced. Name 1 thing that isn't and I'll tell you how it actually is balanced.
Xbox vs pc
@hermano-bundles said in The development team themselves, are trolls:
More balance? LOL
What do you mean?!
What are you suggesting to achieve "balance?"
@hermano-bundles said in The development team themselves, are trolls:
This is a development team who has adopted the moniker "it's not sea of friends" and time and time again given trolls a platform to grief and harass people who want to enjoy your game the way they want. Pc vs Xbox, sloop vs galleon. You have said you didn't want player progression other than cosmetics for the sake of a level playing field and yet you still have these very unbalanced features in your game. The development team overly romanticizes what they think the player base is doing in there game. More times then not, you have people with an advantage preying on people with disadvantages. Your game should not be hardcore mode every time I log on to an adventure server. The developers say they have a problem with pve servers because of player grind with out the risk of griefing but do the developers think it's a fair and balanced game when you are a solo sloop, get attacked by the kraken, a megalodon, and then a 4 player galleon consecutively within a 10 minute period? Honestly the developers are just trolls themselves. They created an entire game mode to cater to the pvp crowd, there is absolutely no reason why you can not create a Pve mode for that a large percentage of your player base wants. I was looking forward to the upcoming update and the new arena mode, but I'm not logging on until you address these very serious issues in a very serious manner. I paid 60 dollars for the game, no where on the box does it say I should be griefed and harassed every time I log on to the game. You should offer refunds for false advertisement on the box art.
There are so many things wrong with this post I don’t even know where to begin. First of all, I would like to point out Sea of Thieves is an open-world PIRATE game and it is advertised as such. It is not advertised as a mind dulling grind fest with no player interaction. In a PIRATE game, you should expect PvP encounters. For proof of this, simply look up the definition of a pirate and you will get the following; a person who attacks or robs ships at sea. You literally aren’t a pirate unless you partake in some form of PvP encounter. Now that we have that established, I would like to put this into perspective for you: YOU are calling RARE a TROLL because they are making THEIR game the way they want to make it. Here’s a perfect analogy for this scenario; let’s say you are a painter. You have spent weeks painting your beautiful masterpiece and you have been painting in front of a crowd of say 100 people. You have a vision of what you are pairing and you have everything planned out. 99 of the 100 people love your idea, but then I come along. I walk up to you and demand you change so many aspects of your painting, which you have worked on and had a vision for, because I don’t like it. My ideas completely go against the vision of your painting, it’s not what you wanted to make, would you really be okay ruining everything you worked on because one person didn’t like what you envisioned. You are that person and RARE is the painter. RARE made a PvP mode because it fits the PIRATE theme of their game, it is something that fits their vision. A PVE mode is NOT something RARE envisioned nor wants for their game, they have even said that it “doesn’t sit quite right” with them, so stop asking them to add one. Again this is a PIRATE game, what part of PVE screams “I AM A PIRATE!”. And no, there isn’t a large portion of the player base that is pro PVE, 99% of the player base is fine with the pirate theme of the game. The only reason you see so many PVE threads is due to the fact that this niche section of the SoT community is continually complaining. Quit trying to ruin RARE’s painting. Accept the game for what it is and what RARE envisioned/advertised it as. If you don’t like that vision, go play something else.
Side Note:
The whole concept of a PVE server is flawed to begin with and would NEVER work. There are so many issues with it, the main thing being how to prevent other players from “trolling “ (as per your own words). On a PVE server, you would be unable to fight against other people. This means someone could walk on your ship, take your loot, and you could do absolutely NOTHING to stop/prevent this. They could grab your wheel, sail your ship around, they could even use all of your supplies uncontested. Sure, you could TECHNICALLY put countermeasure systems into place to TRY and prevent this, but the fact of the matter is that would mean Sea of Thieves would have to be completely redeveloped with PVE in mind. Something that is both a waste of time and resources on RARE’s part, especially considering almost all of player-base is fine the game RARE envisioned.@hermano-bundles the only thing they said is that they balanced the tales (or are ballancing) as to that a solo player doesnt get the same challanges for one player that a galleon can do with four. This doesnt make it easier for solo players and they did the same for the kraken, i play solo quite a bit and have even more in the past and the kraken is less fierce vs a sloop as it is vs the galleon.
Does this make it necesarilly easier for a sloop? Nope it doesnt but if they kept all those things at the same level a kraken foght vs a sloop would always be over in 5 seconds.
You say that the box art is false advertising:
How is that ? I see a couple of galleons, one sailing out a storm and one getting attacked by a kraken, i see a rowboat, and a total of five pirates... how is that false advertisement....
Whilst choosing a sloop in the game it even says its more fragile, its more of a challenge and solo slooping has always be considered to be that, why ? Well let me try and explain.
Not talking about vs a galleon but Compared to a two player sloop, if you are solo you have only yourself to trust and fall back too, if a solo player makes a mistake (not watching the horizon enough for instance) and another sloop rolls up on you there is no one to fall back on. Whilst a two player sloop can have the option of leaving one person on the ship at all times keeping their spyglass scanning the horizen, as soon as they see something they can warn their crew member.
Is a solo sloop able to beat a kraken, yes
Is a solo sloop able to beat a skelly ship, yes
Is a solo sloop able to beat a meg, yes
Is a solo sloop able to beat a galleon of 4 people, yes
Is a solo player able to beat all of those shortly one after the other ? Well that will be hard to impossible, but the same goes for a brig or a galleon full of people.
When someone buys the game the explanation of it is as follows:
Sea of Thieves offers the essential pirate experience, from sailing and fighting to exploring and looting – everything you need to live the pirate life and become a legend in your own right. With no set roles, you have complete freedom to approach the world, and other players, however you choose.
Whether you’re voyaging as a group or sailing solo, you’re bound to encounter other crews in this shared-world adventure – but will they be friends or foes, and how will you respond?
They explain it very well, because thats exactly what happens and can happen.
You started a thread on a PUBLIC forum and dont want/didnt expect other people to chip in because you just want to the devs, maybe you should have created a ticket instead
This is a development team who has adopted the moniker "it's not sea of friends" and time and time again given trolls a platform to grief and harass people who want to enjoy your game the way they want.
This statement reeks of irony. Says people should play the way they want, gets mad when others play the way they want. This is a two-way street, you aren't any more special then anyone else here. You give off the vibe of a person who gets attacked by a player, and instantly calls it as griefing. You are playing a shared world game that has unknown encounters with other players. If this is something you have difficulty dealing with, this game isn't for you.
The developers say they have a problem with pve servers because of player grind with out the risk of griefing but do the developers think it's a fair and balanced game when you are a solo sloop, get attacked by the kraken, a megalodon, and then a 4 player galleon consecutively within a 10 minute period?
No developer has said anything even remotely like this, citation needed.
I'm not logging on until you address these very serious issues in a very serious manner. I paid 60 dollars for the game, no where on the box does it say I should be griefed and harassed every time I log on to the game. You should offer refunds for false advertisement on the box art.
Bye
@hermano-bundles said in The development team themselves, are trolls:
This is a development team who has adopted the moniker "it's not sea of friends" and time and time again given trolls a platform to grief and harass people who want to enjoy your game the way they want.
The object of the game is to play the way you want, while encountering other people who are playing they way they want. It was never represented as a game where you'd get your own personal space to play your motivation without interference from others.
You didn't define what you meant by "grief and harass" and since those terms get thrown around so loosely and wrongly, I'm disregarding that part of your post.
Pc vs Xbox, sloop vs galleon. You have said you didn't want player progression other than cosmetics for the sake of a level playing field and yet you still have these very unbalanced features in your game.
It isn't unbalanced. No a solo sloop is likely not going to win against a 4 man galleon but it can sure as hell outrun one.
If you're being sunk by galleons as a solo sloop you're just not paying attention and you need to learn some better evasion tactics instead of running to the forums to complain here after you've refused to try and be better.
The development team overly romanticizes what they think the player base is doing in there game. More times then not, you have people with an advantage preying on people with disadvantages.
What disadvantages? Every single pirate is on equal footing in terms of mechanical gameplay. There are no advantages. Go ahead and keep looking for excuses other than your own lack of skill to explain why you lost, you're not going to find one.
Your game should not be hardcore mode every time I log on to an adventure server.
It's not. You actually do not run into other players as much as you think. I can't even tell you how many sessions I've gone without encountering other players.
Also, remember that you chose hard mode by choosing to go solo sloop. This is objectively the hardest play style and you went with it.
The developers say they have a problem with pve servers because of player grind with out the risk of griefing but do the developers think it's a fair and balanced game when you are a solo sloop, get attacked by the kraken, a megalodon, and then a 4 player galleon consecutively within a 10 minute period?
You're creating issues that don't exist here. It's very rare that you'll have this all happen at once. And if you do? So what! Have a laugh about it. If stuff like that happens to me I just laugh at it, because that bad luck is just kind of comical. The only way this actually affected you is that you might not be getting enough gold to buy that jacket you wanted or you missed out on a bit of rep.
Honestly the developers are just trolls themselves. They created an entire game mode to cater to the pvp crowd, there is absolutely no reason why you can not create a Pve mode for that a large percentage of your player base wants.
There are absolutely reasons they cannot create PvE modes. It goes against the fundamental concept of the game. I cannot explain that all here because I
d be leaving you with a nightmarish wall of text to read. Please just read the posts about PvE servers here on the forums. You'll see.I was looking forward to the upcoming update and the new arena mode, but I'm not logging on until you address these very serious issues in a very serious manner. I paid 60 dollars for the game, no where on the box does it say I should be griefed and harassed every time I log on to the game. You should offer refunds for false advertisement on the box art.
Yeah but nowhere on the box did it say you'd be allowed to roam the seas with uninterrupted adventures. The game is shared world. It is friend or foe. That's what you've bought and that's what you got. It was never represented as anything else. So if you expected different, well that's on you, friend.
@galactic-geek said in The development team themselves, are trolls:
You shouldn't have to go out of your way to avoid this stuff? Okay... 🙄
I solo sloop for hours at a time and rarely get attacked - perhaps 1 in 4 sessions, it'll happen. Have you tried playing at odd hours or low tide?
Yeah really. Those who ask for PvE safety always make up these melodramatic stories about how they get attacked by 4 galleons every session, when they probably only get sunk a handful of times and let it get under their skin.
I don't understand how people can get so HURT when they lose a fight or a bit of loot. The only thing that's being affected is your ability to buy that jacket you wanted or getting closer to leveling up.
@hermano-bundles said in The development team themselves, are trolls:
@psycodicslender said in The development team themselves, are trolls:
I'm sorry to say but there really isn't much to complain about. (Let me be clear what I'm about to say is NOT meant to be insulting. You getting "salty as the red sea" (trying to make you laugh) isn't the game developer's fault you say the game isn't balanced but it really is balanced. Name 1 thing that isn't and I'll tell you how it actually is balanced.
Xbox vs pc
Easy options to "balance" this.
- Put a Mouse and keyboard into your Xbox.
- Get Good at the game.
I've been against galleons of all pc players and I play with a controller and guess what? I killed all of them. Just because some people aren't good it doesnt mean the game is unbalanced. Just start trying new ways to outdo your opponents but remember the second you show a weakness people will exploit that against you.
Developers do not see the sloop as a "hard mode" go watch the latest behind the scenes video.
I somewhat agree with your complaint but I am far from wanting a refund. I do wish that there could be solo server options much like Elite Dangerous because some days it does become impossible to sloop. Crews of low skilled and lazy players are constantly looking for solo players.
The benefit is that we solo players get better and better at the game because we are forced to. I can harass a crew right back (and well). I have had to learn all of the dirty and low down tricks that can ruin the game for every member of any crew. Setting up a daisy chain of IEDs in places where crews are forced to venture is my favorite greifing tactic. If you ever get angry with a lazy crew that just exists to target you just sail to the outpost closest to where theyre camped out and put powder kegs to good use. You wouldn't believe how loud a four man crew can cry over the headset when they can't cash their loot in. I'm pretty sure I pushed several incredibly mouthy teenagers to the brink of suicide just last week.
@winter-fritz44 IEDs? Suicide? Those are some pretty heavy hitters in terms of word choice right there! Maybe use a better choice of phrasing? 😅
Also, those impossible to sloop days? All in your head. Brigantines and galleons have those too - it comes with the territory. The solution? Take a break and try again later, or simply switch servers. It's what I do.
✌😉PvP sandboxes are never balanced due to player organizations aka crews and fleets.
Most people seem to not know much about sandbox pvp and metagame where it is about to organize players to be prepared to what ever comes across.
If you are not organized you bring yourself in a weaker position.
If you dont see its a MP, a sandbox and a pvpve game then you miss something.
People who play solo or in less than 4 players crews put themself knowingly in a disadvantage.
Same for any other sandbox game when people go roam solo instead of roam with a bunch of clanmates.
Or refuse to be in a clan at all.
Same for SoT, not part of a fleet?
Your fault tbh.
You can go solo, you can only PvE and you can only PvP.Thing is, the game is not designed for this but for crews /fleets who pvpve = mainly pve and compete (pvp) about it.
Those who want a PvP deathmatch Arena will be also disappointed with the Arena mode.
People who want to pve only need to organize it and do Fleetservers.
Those who want to play solo and dont want to join a bigger fleet to find a crew allways put themself in a disadvantage.
All possible, but live with the consequences if you do not play the game as it was envisoned and designed a MP PvPve Sandbox game.It's not you have to play the game this or that way, it's not git gud, it simple as dont go for a MP game solo, dont refuse to have a clan and dont refuse to play all aspects of a game, and if know you take yourself at a disadvantage.
Another example would be someone refusing to craft in an mmo with crafted gear is the best.
Or someone who refuse to cooperate in a duo BR gammode.
Or someone who refuse to pick the proper class for your team in a heroshooter or moba.
You can all do this, but it's then not the developers ir the game who is to blame but oneself.I quit games that want me to do things i dont like!
And i quitted many games i very much liked for 90% of their features, gameloop and atmosphere, but when there was one thing i didn't like and i refused to do, but therefore were in a disadvantage i quitted.
I also tried to change games and said bad game design or whatever.
To me it was bad design to thousand of others not.
Who am i to judge it.
So i need to quit.
I'd say this happened to me for over 95% of games i played. Sometimes you dont get it in the beginning you need to learn the game, see whst is the gameloop, try and know if things are very important or optional etc...I love this MP game because it is only about MP what makes you stronger.
If you become more powerfull in a MP game because you are organized and part of a crew / fleet and nothing else lime grind 24/7, farm gear and all these artificially disbalanced then this is good gamedesign.
If someone can play 24/7 and is able to kill 4 players just because "he putted effort in" aka exagerated gaming, this is bad gamedesign!If you favor hardcores, pro gamers, addicts and obsessed players then this is bad gamedesign and also a questionable aproach to your community and how you want to earn money.
But this is not the case for Sea of Thieves and Rare.
You put yourself in a disadvantage and told us devs are trolls, because they lure you into the game romanticizing pvp and all.
But imho you missed that this is mainly a MP game, with pvp involved and also a sandbox, where you can feel choose what and how to do.
If someone put himself in a disadvantage this may happened due to inexperience and lack of knowledge about the gamemechanics what i think is not the case for you as you wrote you are a PL.@galactic-geek
I was nice enough to offer to send them a box of tissues but they all declined. I also thanked them for dropping an ashen captains chest ten steps away from the treasure tent but that only caused them to cry louder. To be fair I didn't even cash it in. I hid it and told them clues that never would have helped them get their loot back in the first place. After that I ran around on their ship until they rage quit.Greifing the galleon crews isn't really that hard. I only do it to crews who mess with me first though.
The impossible sessions I mentioned are caused by these low skill crews that form alliances in order to greif solo players. You can forget completing a voyage on those servers.
I just went on a solo sloop for about 2 hours and fought off every meg, kraken, and player who attacked me. The other ship sizes have their own advantages and disadvantages. A solo slooper can be deadly, you just have to have the skill to properly take advantage of it. Don't expect it to be easy going alone on a Sea that's out to kill you.
@hermano-bundles There will never be balance with players who only want pve😐 and it seems you fall into this class. The game itself states that Sloops are for only the most adventurous of pirates but for some reason you disagree with the captions at the ship screen. Why? Why not accept the game for its design and adjust your style of play if need be?
The developers have also explicitly stated that Sea of Thieves is a game that is meant to be played with friends and is player driven.
The fact that you only want to solo sloop doesnt make them trolls or mean that things are unbalanced.
A sloop is DESIGNED to be operated by two people. Imagine trying to pilot a galleon with only two people... it's doable but you're at a huge disadvantage.
No different than how you choose to play.
The game shouldnt be balanced so that one solo player in a tiny little boat has balanced odds vs a 4 man crew operating a giant galleon. Thatd be ridiculous if it was.
