ADD A VOTE KICK BUTTON

@sot-snorelonn I feel lik you're about to get a lot of the same words i got from people cuz i posted something like this a bit ago and i got disagreements on it but I looked into those and found out there is no easy way to implement a system like that without being able to control ppl actually being mean like that and kick ppl before loot is turned in bcuz of the majority vote possibility that I'm sure some ppl would take advantage of.

@xix-zeno-xix Thanks for the feedback, i know many disagree and I dont know why. The only reason people join and afk for loot is because they can not get punished for it.
People say you can easily abuse the kick system by kicking the fourth person but if you are with friends that won't happen and most people play with their friends.
If you are playing solo and scared of being kicked I suggest just playing on a sloop because you can not kick/lock in brig on the sloop.
This would be perfect

@sot-snorelonn idk who it was that this or where to find it but he suggested that maybe there should be a thing that all can vote on to make the uncooperative person do certain tasks in a certain time limit to regain his trust to his crew and get back in it, but if failed he was then disbanded from the crew but not from server and was made to walk the plank or die, bcuz then his name would be white and he would have his own sloop somewhere else. This would also put a color coded dot next to his name showing that he is untrustworthy for maybe a day or two to other pirates he may join

@sot-snorelonn
I've been on the troll end of the brig deal. Joined a group looking for a legend to drop an athena voyage and help them with it. Galleon crew of 3 friends and me. I helped them with the voyage and when it was time to turn in the loot they brigged me and told me to leave so their other friend that just got on want ed to play with them. I said no and so they decided to torture me with vomiting and poor music till they waterboarded me several times. A kick button can go wrong in many ways.

@inboundbomb That is unfortunate but like I said, if you are playing solo just go on a sloop, unless you are in a group you trust, because being in an open galleon with 1 afk person that sits there for the loot is just terrible.
Right now you can easily keep hopping crews till you find a galleon with loot and go afk and wait.

Or worse, there's a crewmember not afk, but acts like he is helping, but hes just standing in the bottom of the ship pulling out his bucket and wooden planks using the chat wheel...

When he was the one to make a post on lfg and actually got a crew, he just sat there and made us do all the work for him basically, then gets mad when we brig him and then tells us that we are too slow and he would've had this done by now in the first 10 min. of our athenas mission we just posted on the table 10 MIN. AGO....

@sot-snorelonn I should not be forced to play solo or on a sloop to avoid people abusing their power in open crews to deny me of loot that I worked for, just because you want to have the option to kick someone for some reason.

I am an active player, I earn my loot and I have come across people locking me up in the brig and trying to get rid of me at the end of an Athena's that I put down. To get their friend in to have the spoils and what not. So, no I rather report and deal with the AFK farmers as they can be recorded and punished for their actions. When it comes to griefers, it usually is easy to bore them to leave. Brig them and don't interact with them, they want attention and that is it.

If you don't like the risks of open crews... close your group or play solo. That is following your own logic, without the potential abuse of people kicking someone to just get their friend in to enjoy my fruits of labor.

Why should I be limited in my game play as a solo, to make room for the three man party that could be on a brig to be able to kick me out at any given moment?

Solo players are the ones to be protected in this system, not the groups, they can have a sloop for duos, brig for trios and a galleon for four players. Kicking by all means would just let you wait for a friend to get online and have someone help out till that point without rewarding them. Close your group or play in the open system and report the abusers.

@xxmadmonkey2001 I'm sure everyone knows this clearly, not sure what point you're trying to make here but it definitely doesn't help the current conversation friend. Maybe a bit more feedback about that? :)

@sot-snorelonn said in ADD A VOTE KICK BUTTON:

"Most likely this wont happen" That's a nice assumption, but mine is that if people can kick others, this new problem will become way worst than AFK.

The logic of your argument goes both ways though, why not play only with your friends if you don't want to risk getting troll crew members? Why play in open crew at all?

Personally I don't care because I either play with friends or by myself, but I can guarantee this "solution" has way more potential to do harm than good, the devs spoke often on this, I highly doubt this option will see the day.

Don't get me wrong, I hate AFKers as much as anyone, but having to endure a twit until the end of your voyage and leave is far less consequential than being denied who knows how much loot and efforts after a long run. @InboundBomb 's example is a good glimpse of what can happen, it's not the first time I hear that kind of story, and I can assure you would yourself think a lot differently if it had happened to you, or if you didn't have many friends playing the game and had to resort to play with strangers.

@callmebackdraft that's why I was saying above have em do a certain amount of tasks in a certain amount of time to regain the trust within your fellow crewmates, but if failed then it kicks them without the players doing anything but leaving it up to that person to do those tasks in order to earn their loot. Make to where they dont leave server so that person can still be playing without having to load in to another and put some sort of sign to signify the untrustworthyness next to the name of that player that lasts a day or 2 that others can see so they can get an idea of what this player might do.

@cotu42 People are not going to actively wait for someone just to kick them, sure it will happen once in a while but there are many games where there is a kick option but the whole team doesnt kick someone every time.
There is a sloop and brig for a reason, teams of 3 can play on a brig, a team of 2 on a sloop. There is rarely going to be a group of 3 on a galleon that waits for a random to join.
Open crew is for 4 randoms and 3 have to vote together to kick one. If you are scared of this maybe you are the one that goes afk?
No one gets punished for going afk on ships.

@sot-snorelonn you know why there no 3 mans that start a galleon in open crews while they wait for their forth to come online?

Cause they cannot get rid of the random in the game. I have played the game for a quite a while and play quite a bit of open crews. I am a legend and trust me people will abuse this. I rather inspect my crew at the start, decide if I want to stay, report the player twirling around in circles than have those scurvy pirates abuse me to give their friend loot.

I go AFK and farm like that? Yo, before you accuse me of breaking the rules... you better have proof. I have played the game since launch, I am a pirate legend Athena 10 and I am a bouncy pirate that consistently does every job on the ship if needed. I have carried kids through Athena missions. BEFORE YOU DARE TO SUGGEST THAT I AM BREAKING THE RULES OF THE GAME... YOU BETTER HAVE EVIDENCE. THE MERE SUGGESTION IS INSULTING TO ME AS A GAMER.

We have a closed crew system, if you don't want to play with randoms, the same thing applies to you. Play solo or with your friends if you cannot deal with the players that are breaking the rules (you can report them and they will be banned). Instead of just suggesting a way to add more abuse in this game.

AFK Farming in an issue in this game, though it isn't up to us to increase abuse potential to solve this. RARE should be the ones improving their detection and kicking people more effectively if the same action is performed over and over again, maybe introduce a check that one needs to do if they make that determination before kicking them. Allowing people to still stealth around, I don't know. Kicking in the hands of players is not the solution.

Edit:
Do you always accuse people of bad actions and rule breaking, insult their integrity? Just because they don't have the same point of view as you? It isn't a way to have a constructive conversation, it makes these types of posts into smear fests of personal attacks. Have some respect or just don't speak.

What they should do for afkers, is shorten out the time they have to get back to their game. It is annoying when someone goes away for more than 5 mins. much more annoying then having to get re invited back to a game but in an open crew if you're gone for that long you deserve to be disconnected from server, you're not only wasting your own time but your crews as well.

@sot-snorelonn said in ADD A VOTE KICK BUTTON:

@cotu42 People are not going to actively wait for someone just to kick them, sure it will happen once in a while but there are many games where there is a kick option but the whole team doesnt kick someone every time.
There is a sloop and brig for a reason, teams of 3 can play on a brig, a team of 2 on a sloop. There is rarely going to be a group of 3 on a galleon that waits for a random to join.
Open crew is for 4 randoms and 3 have to vote together to kick one. If you are scared of this maybe you are the one that goes afk?
No one gets punished for going afk on ships.

I don't understand your position though, why don't you downsize your ship instead of taking the risk of enlisting someone undesirable? Why don't you play a crew with only your friends?

You don't seem to realise this arguments goes both ways. The same way you suspected @CotU42 of being an AFK farmer, maybe you would like to be able to kick people to invite your friends to cash in loot?

@bloodybil I understand your argument of it going both ways.
I am saying I really dont see another way to deal with the afk farmers.
You can not do anything to punish them so this is why my friends and I never play with randoms, we only play together in a closed crew. Impossible to play with randoms because they always go afk
If you would like to suggest a solution i would love to hear it.

@cotu42 said in ADD A VOTE KICK BUTTON:

@sot-snorelonn you know why there no 3 mans that start a galleon in open crews while they wait for their forth to come online?

Cause they cannot get rid of the random in the game. I have played the game for a quite a while and play quite a bit of open crews. I am a legend and trust me people will abuse this. I rather inspect my crew at the start, decide if I want to stay, report the player twirling around in circles than have those scurvy pirates abuse me to give their friend loot.

I go AFK and farm like that? Yo, before you accuse me of breaking the rules... you better have proof. I have played the game since launch, I am a pirate legend Athena 10 and I am a bouncy pirate that consistently does every job on the ship if needed. I have carried kids through Athena missions. BEFORE YOU DARE TO SUGGEST THAT I AM BREAKING THE RULES OF THE GAME... YOU BETTER HAVE EVIDENCE. THE MERE SUGGESTION IS INSULTING TO ME AS A GAMER.

We have a closed crew system, if you don't want to play with randoms, the same thing applies to you. Play solo or with your friends if you cannot deal with the players that are breaking the rules (you can report them and they will be banned). Instead of just suggesting a way to add more abuse in this game.

AFK Farming in an issue in this game, though it isn't up to us to increase abuse potential to solve this. RARE should be the ones improving their detection and kicking people more effectively if the same action is performed over and over again, maybe introduce a check that one needs to do if they make that determination before kicking them. Allowing people to still stealth around, I don't know. Kicking is not the solution.

Edit:
Do you always accuse people of bad actions and rule breaking, insult their integrity? Just because they don't have the same point of view as you? It isn't a way to have a constructive conversation, it makes these types of posts into smear fests of personal attacks. Have some respect or just don't speak.

Players wont get banned for breaking the rules, i said perhaps you do and that makes you scared to implement kicking. It wont be abused since like you said there arent groups of 3 that start galleons.
Who cares if you are legend or not, i am too it means nothing tbh.
Players can easily afk farm for months and not get banned, they dont get punished cause no one can prove it.

@sot-snorelonn Believe me, I know where you are coming from and I agree on the matter that AFK farming is unacceptable and shouldn't be a thing, but unfortunately, as you said, besides playing with trusted people, I can't see a way to counter this without giving a way for trolls to do even more damage.

You can't implement a feature or option that gives that sort of power in player's hands and go "Yeah, that can totally be abused, but it probably won't, right?", that's just crazy. I think Rare should just take those reports more seriously if they aren't already, to be able to get those players punished if they keep doing it.

As @xIx-ZeNo-xIx mentioned, having to do certain actions to confirm you are not AFK could be a thing, but what about malicious players that aren't really AFK but just trolling? You can't counter everything, but can only try to minimise the potential overall negative consequences, whatever side the trolls are on.

@sot-snorelonn

How dare you question my integrity as a gamer, how dare you insult me on a personal level by demeaning my point of view by suggesting that I am one of those rule breakers or any personal bad intention you might believe I have, just because I am not agreeing with your point of view. Show me some respect, as a human being and a fellow gamer. Instead of suggesting that I am not following the rules of the game, that I am not playing fair.

You are literally suggesting to me on a personal basis of 'perhaps' being a pirate that didn't deserve their rank, has been abusing and misusing the systems in unintended ways which clearly break the terms and conditions of the game and that I am not playing the game fairly, that I am abusing other people to further my own goals and that I have no integrity as a gamer.

Now I could go mud sling and start speculating about your intentions with this post. I don't cause I believe you are not doing this because you have bad intentions nor do I want to degrade to the level of trying to attack you on a personal level to undermine your point of view on a topic in a game. Just like you are trying to make people here believe is my reasoning behind my point of view is of a selfish nature, because I am part of the problem you are trying to solve: An AFK farmer. Discuss the topic based on its merits, instead of suggesting what my personal intentions are and making statements that I am perhaps committing a ban-able offense..

Btw. I have proven it multiple times, just record them and make a ticket. It isn't a great system, it isn't a quick system and I do agree that it is an issue that RARE should be addressing. However if you believe RARE doesn't look into tickets of players breaking their terms and conditions you are wrong and the ban hammer does get flung around. It just is not instantaneously and you won't notice it in your current session. That doesn't take away that it happens.

Also I start up 3 man galleons all the time, we keep it closed though for if one of our buddies comes online. You just don't see them in the open crew system anymore.

Being a legend and Athena 10, means you spent time in this game and that you gathered a quite big amount of treasure and handed it in. It isn't a suggestion that you are any good at the game, but it does mean you collected a ton of treasure. Which you are suggesting I acquired by abusing other people. Especially in the time period that I did it in, as it is getting easier and easier which is fine with me.

@Deckhands could you please lock this post, the personal assaults on my character is against the forum rules and I don't want to stoop down to his level.

@liantherx a what if situation that is suggesting that I am an AFK farmer personally. This isn't a hypothetical about a situation, a pirate nor a game mechanic. It is a if statement about me personally and how I play the game. He is bringing up: If I believe what I do, which is in alignment with RARE, that is because I am an AFK farmer.

Which is not only a 'bad' way to play, but against the actual rules and terms of the game.

May I quote: "If you are scared of this maybe you are the one that goes afk?"

Therefore how is this not reflective on anything else than me as a person. That is an attack on my character. Just because it is in an if statement? So if I say : If you are ... ? I can state anything about anyone?

His statement comes down to:
IF(You don't agree with me / scared of what I am suggesting)
{ you personally are breaking the rules and terms of the game and committing a ban-able offense}

How am I to take that?
How is that constructive, not personal, nor demeaning as a gamer?

@cotu42 im surprised you hit level 10 athenas by afk farming

@sot-snorelonn said in ADD A VOTE KICK BUTTON:

@cotu42 im surprised you hit level 10 athenas by afk farming

@LiantherX and what about this... are you really sure he isn't attacking me personally?