Too difficult for the average solo sloop player. Give players the option at the beginning of the game to choose between sloop A (action) or sloop Q (quest). In quest mode do away with krakens ,skeleton ships and megladons and let someone just focus on treasure hunting and sailing. Beginners would love to start with that mode or others to be able to choose depending on their mood that day.**~~
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@captainluke56 sure, but sloop Q should permanently have their reapers mark up 😂. No, but in all honesty, I am strongly against anything that adds an "easy mode" into the game.
@captainluke56 you shouldn’t fear a Kraken as you only need to take out three arms. Meg is mostly peaceful, and skeleton ships can be taken down if you stay close. Be a pirate not a sailor!
@archaell said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
I am of the opinion that there could be even smaller ship than Sloop that wouldn't get attacked by the PvE encounters as it most likely wouldn't even have cannons. That way we could stop nerfing the PvE for Sloop and balance it around more players.
Isn't that called a rowboat?
@weststormborn said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
@bloodybil they’ll get it to “have the game be automated so I do nothing”
Seriously eh? It seems to be the way it goes.
At this point if everything in this game is so tedious, so hard, so time-consuming, so hostile, so toxic, please do us all a favor and play a sailing simulator instead of trying to have the devs dumb down this great game for the sake of people who can't be bothered to make an effort to learn the game or to get better in their skills.
@bloodybil You can't start the game on the rowboat. It would be an interesting option, but things like the map, barrels and voyage table wouldn't fit in there. So the boat has to be slightly bigger than that.
Seriously, not to go on a rant (again) but:
@captainluke56 said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
Too difficult for the average solo sloop player. Give players the option at the beginning of the game to choose between sloop A (action) or sloop Q (quest).
You have the option at the beginning of the game to choose sloop O (open crew) or sloop C (closed crew).
You can choose to have a buddy to help out with your voyages, the more the merrier! Helps tremendously with both PVE and PVP encounters.
You can choose to play by yourself too, I understand not wanting to be bothered or just wanting to do your own things, that's fine, but you have to understand that you are voluntarily handicapping yourself, and putting yourself in a more challenging position.
It's that simple. You, and yourself alone put yourself in that position. Rare said it before, solo slooping is playing the game in hard mode. If you are a beginner, play with a crew, and once you are more comfortable with the game mechanics and strategies, try your hand at the solo life, knowing the pros and cons.
@archaell said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
@bloodybil You can't start the game on the rowboat. It would be an interesting option, but things like the map, barrels and voyage table wouldn't fit in there. So the boat has to be slightly bigger than that.
Well, that would be part of the challenge, innit? XD
Actually, rowboat mode would be even harder mode, you are limited to the rowboat chest for supplies, you have to know the map by heart (man, I wish you could navigate with the stars in this game) and can only do bottle voyages, now that's an adventure!
The funny thing is, that I was hooked on this game because I had no idea of the mechanics involved. So I played this game until my eyes almost went square. I tuned my skills & "got used to the game" becoming better & ship fighting & pvp
Almost 12 months have gone by & I still play this game. Re learning skills because The "new people" are trying to change the game. Not better themselves at the game that's in front of them!
@shaynoinsano right, though some changes are better most of the suggestions now don’t bring about learning but dumbing down skills
There was a time where games were respected. You would take time to learn it, and try to conquer it, beat your score, beat your friend's scores. If a game was hard, well, you had to get better at it. Eventually you did, and you were proud of it. Then sometimes it would get even harder! Then you would climb that new mountain, until you were at the top, and it felt good. There were always people better than you too, and that would be humbling. You would try to learn from them, and it was always a motivation to try to reach their level.
Now, people want to have their hands held and everything masticated and regurgitated for them. They don't bother anymore. You can pay to win, pay to unlock levels, you can stomp your feet until developers make it easier and easier. You feel people have an advantage over you? Fear not my child, we will isolate you in safety. Still too hard? Here's godmode, private servers for you to grind in peace until you unlocked everything in the game. Hey, why are you not playing anymore? Oh, you own everything in the game and got bored? Hmmm, who could have seen this coming?
@bloodybil yeah. I may be a bit of the new generation but I played hard games and always strived to better myself. Though I have had a few blunders where some players had flustered me but later I always came out on top. Many gamers should learn to get gud as we say. Though git gud has become a trigger word now it has a bit of reality in it. The games that are out now aren’t even purposefully centered against or even give you personally the worst disadvantage. I’m surprised many people complain about these things.
@weststormborn said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
Many gamers should learn to get gud as we say. Though git gud has become a trigger word now it has a bit of reality in it.
It really does. In this era of participation trophies for tying your shoes, it's like people can't accept defeat anymore. Oh you got killed in a game? Well, get back in there and practice, hone your skills and get back at them! It's like these people have never been said "no" in their life, and that mentality reflects online.
Gasp I lost? But I have been told all my life I was flawless and perfect, surely this game is broken and wrong and needs fixing!
@bloodybil said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
@archaell said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
@bloodybil You can't start the game on the rowboat. It would be an interesting option, but things like the map, barrels and voyage table wouldn't fit in there. So the boat has to be slightly bigger than that.
Well, that would be part of the challenge, innit? XD
Actually, rowboat mode would be even harder mode, you are limited to the rowboat chest for supplies, you have to know the map by heart (man, I wish you could navigate with the stars in this game) and can only do bottle voyages, now that's an adventure!
There is the North Star! But hey you have a compass so idk how that helps. But at night you can definately see it
@bloodybil
Totally agree. I like to pretend that games are like they were in 2005. You get the game and that's it. Keep playing and you find out that you can do stuff that you never thought was possible. This forum feels like the game should be catered to everyone needs. Instead of having a great game that people actually take time to figure out
@bonko40 said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
@bloodybil said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
@archaell said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
@bloodybil You can't start the game on the rowboat. It would be an interesting option, but things like the map, barrels and voyage table wouldn't fit in there. So the boat has to be slightly bigger than that.
Well, that would be part of the challenge, innit? XD
Actually, rowboat mode would be even harder mode, you are limited to the rowboat chest for supplies, you have to know the map by heart (man, I wish you could navigate with the stars in this game) and can only do bottle voyages, now that's an adventure!
There is the North Star! But hey you have a compass so idk how that helps. But at night you can definately see it
Hehe yeah the compass kinda makes the north star useless but it still is a cool feature! Proper celestial navigation would have been cool though! Mapping stars to know where we are... Or maybe I just watched Moana one too many times with my niece...
@bonko40 said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
@bloodybil
Totally agree. I like to pretend that games are like they were in 2005. You get the game and that's it. Keep playing and you find out that you can do stuff that you never thought was possible. This forum feels like the game should be catered to everyone needs. Instead of having a great game that people actually take time to figure out
Exactly! I really love how transparent Rare is and how much they listen to the community, but at some point I hope they will follow their vision of the game and not bend backward to fit the one of lazy players.
@bloodybil said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
Well, that would be part of the challenge, innit? XD
Actually, rowboat mode would be even harder mode, you are limited to the rowboat chest for supplies, you have to know the map by heart (man, I wish you could navigate with the stars in this game) and can only do bottle voyages, now that's an adventure!
Most of the people use the online map so the only downside of not having one in-game is not knowing your exact position. Like you said the game would be harder which is the opposite of what we "need" - an easier ship for the new players that could be used to (more likely) avoid both PvE and PvP encounters (and that would be used to steal Athenas lol).
@bloodybil said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
Wooow...
People already went from "Give PVE servers to those that don't want to PVP" to "PVE is too hard, just give us "P".
That escalated quickly.
hahahahaa
@archaell said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
@bloodybil said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
Well, that would be part of the challenge, innit? XD
Actually, rowboat mode would be even harder mode, you are limited to the rowboat chest for supplies, you have to know the map by heart (man, I wish you could navigate with the stars in this game) and can only do bottle voyages, now that's an adventure!
Most of the people use the online map so the only downside of not having one in-game is not knowing your exact position. Like you said the game would be harder which is the opposite of what we "need" - an easier ship for the new players that could be used to (more likely) avoid both PvE and PvP encounters (and that would be used to steal Athenas lol).
Do we need it though? At some point if you really need to avoid PvE and PvP... what are you even doing in Sea of Thieves? eSail is the way to go!
But seriously, I don't think training wheels should be the way to go, the best way to learn is to practice, baptism by fire and all. The sloop is already easy enough, everything is just there, all at your reach. The only difficulty of solo slooping is the solo part... I think new players should have access to a mentoring matchmaking instead, where you can be matched with someone more experienced to show you the ropes. Or maybe a more in depth tutorial that actually guide you to how to control your ship and what to expect on the sea or something.
@bloodybil The ship with "training wheels" would be better than nerfing content for the sloop which is happening right now. I agree that the game could have the mentoring or better tutorial.
@archaell said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
The ship with "training wheels" would be better than nerfing content for the sloop which is happening right now.
Oh really now? I must be out of the loop, how is the sloop and its content being nerfed?
@bloodybil The encounters are easier for the sloop because it's the solo ship. If there was the smaller ship then it could be balanced more around 2 players on board. The last patch has nerfed the Kraken for example.
@bloodybil Well to be fair, some people don't like having to deal with Meg, Karen or Skeletons ships all day.
Even if they only take a couple of hits to take down, it is still things that "interfere" with them. And with the spawn rate these days, having multiple of these show up within an hour is not a rare occurence, which is off-putting.
Now, Karen and Meg will leave you alone at islands, but skeleton ships does not, they just keep blasting you, which is annoying if you don't want to fight them(Or you get a bugged one like I did that just didn't take damage at all).
@archaell said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
@bloodybil The encounters are easier for the sloop because it's the solo ship. If there was the smaller ship then it could be balanced more around 2 players on board. The last patch has nerfed the Kraken for example.
The sloop is already balanced for 1-2 players though... what's the point? the only nerf they did was:
Calming the Kraken – The Kraken has learnt to pick on someone her own size and will now take it easier on Sloops. Tentacle wraps that block access to lower levels have been significantly reduced.
Tentacle wraps that block access to lower levels have been significantly reduced, but they still happen, seen it firsthand today. Seems like a totally fair change, the kraken remains a reasonable challenge for both single and duo sloops.
You insist we "need" an "easier" ship that would be immune to PVE and PVP, that would remain in the main game alongside the other ships. How is that even supposed to work? You mentioned yourself how it could be abused to steal loot. You describe a magic indestructible rowboat with a voyage table and integrated map. I am sorry but the sloop is fine as a beginner ship. No ship should be invincible.
The OP says sloops are too hard, but then goes on saying he wants a PVE-less mode where he can get loot without any threats. Ship type has nothing to do with the problem then, the problem is his inability to face these threats. If this is supposed to be a beginner mode, how are you supposed to learn how to deal with these threats if you never encounter them?
@danish-crusader said in Solo sloops ..... 2 ship choices:
@bloodybil Well to be fair, some people don't like having to deal with Meg, Karen or Skeletons ships all day.
Oh please, the encounters last a few minutes, even less when you just skip them. You can sail through the kraken, and easily ditch meg or skellies.
Even if they only take a couple of hits to take down, it is still things that "interfere" with them.
And here I thought this was supposed to be an exciting game full of unpredictable adventures.
And with the spawn rate these days, having multiple of these show up within an hour is not a rare occurence, which is off-putting.
I agree the sea is busier than usual, but every event has had wonky spawn rates. I have a feeling that the spawn rates have been bumped up to show off a bit and give some action to the potential friends that are being shown the game right now.
Now, Karen and Meg will leave you alone at islands, but skeleton ships does not, they just keep blasting you, which is annoying if you don't want to fight them(Or you get a bugged one like I did that just didn't take damage at all).
Never had this bug but I guess it can happen. Still, not every Meg attacks (they rarely do) and neither does skeleton ships.
I really don't think a whole mode needs to be dedicated to skip a potential hourly sighting of a PVE threat.
@bloodybil I haven't said indestructible. The ship would be smaller, faster and easier to control than the Sloop, while the Kraken / Ghost ships / Megadolons could mostly ignore it unless provoked. It would lack the offensive strength while getting more agility in return. It could even sink faster when hit. It would be the ship you would pick to do voyages solo, because it's mobility would allow you to escape threats more easily.
