Remove the names but not the titles to deal with stream sniping

@tedakin

I don't watch streamers but I have seen what they have done to some of the games I formerly enjoyed.

With that in mind I have very little pity for them at all. Regular non-professional players who kill, camp and grief streamers should be awarded and cheered for their heroics.

Streamers on the other hand; you're a professional gamer and if you're getting worked by a "Noob" then you have no business as a professional gamer because you're not good enough.

From the old days of gaming and I quote "Learn to play scrub".

They need to add healthbars to this game like overwatch has, streamer mode would simply hide the names while keeping healthbars.

@archangel-timmy said in Remove the names but not the titles to deal with stream sniping:

Pretty much every online game has the Gamertag visible, and for good reason. The world is full of toxic people, and you can only take action if you have their Gamertag, good luck without it.

That's untrue; the only reason gamer tags are popular now is because World of WarCraft made it popular and standard.

There are ways to handle the reporting of players even with out gamer tags. They have merely been included in this game because its considered customary.

Gamer tags do not add to immersion or game depth in any way.
Gamer tags actually remove game depth and creativity in game play.
Gamer tags are a crutch for unobservant players.

Heather said it perfectly when she said it has made us lazy; she's 100% correct in her assessment of the situation.

@tedakin If you are streaming, you are actively choosing to do it. The game is not forcing you to stream. It is up to you. You can either A play with names on, or B play with the names off.

The streamer is at a disadvantage because he is choosing to be. He can choose to not stream, to not turn off names.

Streaming is a personal choice.

I also want to point out that anyone who uses a streamer as an example and calls them "the best blah blah" is honestly either an alt account, a friend, or just something else entirely. If he was the best ever SoT player EVAR EVAR. He would not care about the disadvantage in the first place.

@bran-the-ent said in Remove the names but not the titles to deal with stream sniping:

Unless everyone goes without gamertags, the notion that only streamers should be put at a disadvantage - again, based solely on their profession/hobby - is preposterous.

So they should be accommodated because why?

Lets go through this step by step.

Is anyone forcing them to stream while playing? No.
Is anyone forcing them to turn off name tags? No.

So why should they be accommodated for something they are choosing personally to do?

Next lets check some other things.

Are there consequences to people choices and actions? Yes.
Should we have to actively protect them from their own personal decisions? No.

So far what have we concluded?

They are streaming by choice. What is the downside to that? They might have to put in a little more effort into the game.

Next lets go by what @Tedakin was complaining about.

His post is that the names are the main ways you detect other players sneaking onto your boat. That is false. Anyone who is using this is just lazy or bad. You want to know how I detect people getting onto my boat? I listen and constantly look for mermaids, I listen for splish splashing when someone is swimming. The biggest factor is that I never leave the boat unattended. NEVER. Always 1 person on the boat at all times. If it has to be me, then so be it. There is never any reason to have EVERYONE on an island.

So are names the issue here? No.
Are the players just lazy or bad? Probably very much yes.

Now here is the biggest question I want to ask.

Why in the glory of all hell should we even care about streamers? Again, this is a personal issue that they brought on themselves. If Rare decides to do something about it then so be it, but the only real reason they ever did something about the name tags in the first place was because of the clown group in their streams. So I seriously doubt they will do anything further on this subject.

@bran-the-ent This is the funny thing, the cheating you are talking about. Does not happen as often as you think it does. Not every streamer out there is being stream sniped constantly during every stream. Its not even worth it to stream snipe a no body. So again, what cheating are you talking about?

Is it special treatment? Yes it is. No one else is complaining, only streamers, No one is forcing them to stream.

Do they have a way to deal with people stream sniping? Yes they do, turn off names.

"But then I can't see where people are" - Get better at the game? People who actually play at a high level don't really use names as an indicator. If someone needs it so badly then they are just not that good at the game.

Are they at a disadvantage? NO, they just need to get better.

The only change I could actually agree with is that the names show up on a recorded clip so that people can record an instance they are skeptic about and see the names show up on the video.

Adding something to make their lives easier when they are just bad? No. I will have to disagree. They are just bad, accept it.

climbs even higher on this majestic horse of mine

@bran-the-ent How do I know statistics on things.....I read?? I listen??

Its a known fact that it doesn't happen often at all. Most games nowadays have moving servers. It takes too much time and effort to stream snipe. So unless its someone that is really popular most people don't even bother.

If you don't want to deal with stream snipers then don't stream. You can always put the upload on a delay of like 30seconds if you were really worried. So again, personal problem, should be solved personally.

I love people using analogies, but lets get the context right.

If you are carrying around money and flaunting it and waving it around, and showing everyone you have a ton a money and you get robbed, THEN YES ITS YOUR FAULT.

I was hoping you would ask that question too, "So you play with the HUD off do you?" YES, YES I DO. Thank you for asking. There are certain rules I do before I start games. When its a straight up just PvE fest I sometimes forget to turn it off because I just don't bother. If its PvP time or we are planning to PvP, PvPvE, I turn it off the second I load in.

EDIT If I think anything shady is going on, or I need to report someone, I'll turn it back on and get their names. Which is why I suggested that names pop up on the recorded videos without having to change the HUD.

I think playing with it on all the time makes you lazy and complacent. Its the concept of what to pay attention for. When players know that names are going to pop, they ignore everything else and wait for a white name. Which is probably why I sneak onto almost every boat I see. The ones I can't get on?? The ones I hear in chat going "I heard a mermaid" or "I can hear someone swimming upto the boat"

Its funny because without the names you can actually see more of the game around you. You start to see things you didn't notice before.

Let me just get back up here on the higher level with my majestic horse again. That way you can know I'm in a higher plain of existence :)

@bran-the-ent You are the one claiming its a big issue. Show me your data and I'll show you mine.

You are skeptical? Thats great. Thats on you. Not everyone plays with the HUD on. Again it makes you complacent. Go PvP for a few days, turn off the HUD. Get really used to it being off. You'll start to notice more about whats going on around you. You'll start to pay attention to other things and seeing other things. It will really open your awareness for the game. Its not that important for PvP.

Before we get into a philosophical debate I'm going to point somethings out. Just because there is a law in the books does not mean you are protected from being stupid. You do stupid things you win stupid prizes. If a person is flaunting their money openly and telling everyone "HEY LOOK EVERYONE I HAVE $2000 AND I'M JUST WAVING IT AROUND SHOWING IT TO EVERYONE." - Just because there is a law against stealing, does not mean what that person is doing is not stupid. If he gets robbed that is his fault. There is a thing called being responsible for ones choices and actions.

If you wonder, I am on the logical side of things not the emotional side.

I'm sorry if personal choices and consequences are a foreign subject to you.

@bran-the-ent You were the one claiming it was an issue. If you don't have anything to back it up then I guess I'll go with what you said "talking out your rear."

If I come up with actual stats or an article will you still listen? No you won't. You'll still take your stance or find something wrong with the article. If you had anything you would have used it.

Your theft argument proves that you do not base anything on actual logic. You base it completely on emotions or a "sense of morality" which is are fictitious at best. If you want to use the law as a support to your argument fine. Then that means slavery in the past was okay right? I mean it was the law and it was allowed. Judging from your argument it means its was okay and that everyone should just get over it?

How about other laws? Child labor laws. It was okay for companies to use orphans for manual labor and sweat shops were legal. Does that mean it was also okay? I guess so right?

If you are walking around Detroit at night wearing pure gold and 14k diamonds letting everyone know as you are walking down the street, you are stupid, you gonna get robbed, and you have no sympathy from me. Why everyone thinks its okay to be idiots or that we should protect people from making idiotic choices is beyond me. The law does not protect you from being stupid. Choices have consequences, even small choices can lead to big consequences. You have the responsibility to make sure what you are doing is a smart decision. If you think that the law stops things from happening just because its the law you need to grow up. I have no sympathy for stupid.

@bran-the-ent sigh

https://www.polygon.com/2017/7/30/16059138/playerunknowns-battlegrounds-stream-sniping-ban

https://www.reddit.com/r/PUBATTLEGROUNDS/comments/6qcn2e/as_a_streamer_stream_sniping_is_a_massive_problem/

Summit openly saying that he will call out a player for stream sniping regardless of whether or not they were actually innocent just based on his belief that he is.

So the main issue with stream sniping is that everyone who is a streamer things they are being stream sniped. Case in point is that one guy who says he gets stream sniped 6 times day going onto explain HOW he knows he is.

The thing about cheating is everyone who dies or loses thinks hacks are invovled. Streamers automatically believe that someone who is playing better than them is automatically stream sniping. No they are just bad. I wonder if someone can prove to me that stream sniping is actually an issue?? Probably not.

So what are the numbers of people actually getting stream sniped? There aren't any. Streamers accuse people of stream sniping all the time just like the community in SoT accuse PC players of always hacking. They lose and immediately point a finger because heaven forbid they got outplayed.

But you want numbers. Okay lets go with numbers. So far the majority of hackers in most games doesn't reach around the 5% percent value of the player base for most games. Now some games are worse than others but that is through lack of actual preventable programs or support.

Sea of Thieves has stated multiple times in their dev updates that the hacker community of this game is less than 1% of the populace. Cheating is cheating. Steam sniping is not a huge deal nor is it an issue. Hackers and cheaters only reach the 1% margin for some games, 3% percent for others. The same can be said about stream sniping.

Lets break down stream sniping.

1. you have to be in the same server as the streamer. Most cases this is unlikely as the servers are filled at random. Players generally don't have a streamer up JUST in case they land in their server. However, anyone trying to get in the server by sitting there repeatedly joining games until they land in the streamers server is just not practical.

So what type of actual stream sniping is there? There are 2 forms of actual stream sniping.

2. Asking a player whose name you saw in the stream to let you in the game. Can happen.

3. Players who are watching the stream, who WARN the players they see in the stream.

So what is going on? Lets see

Option 1 is not practical so we can completely ignore this one.

Option 2 can happen but generally people don't like giving up their spots anyways.

Option 3 seems to be the bigger issue, however what is actually going on? Is someone cheating? No they are not. A person watching the stream wishing to mess with the streamer is telling the players they see in the game what is going on.

So why is the streamer dealing with any of that? Easy. Personal choices.

There you go. So what you got?

@NintenKid9000 They are not being punished. You don't need names to play the game. They can play with the names turned on if they wanted to but they are streaming so they choose not to.

They just need to get better at the game and not rely on names as a crutch.

Also just because you love doing something does not mean you need to be catered or treated special. If they love it so much they wouldn't complain about whatever imaginary disadvantage they have and would just enjoy playing the game.