Are macros actually aloud to be used, ive run into them multiple times and it seems a tad on the OP side.
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@shadowninja136 said in Macros:
Are macros actually aloud to be used, ive run into them multiple times and it seems a tad on the OP side.
Ahoy matey, no they are not. Best bet is to report any case you find, or well think is using macros.
That said, there are a few changes coming that will lower the effectiveness of the macros used :). So sit tight!
@shadowninja136 said in Macros:
@murkrage ok thank you man, being dominated by a macro user right now
Yea for crossplay? Oh...different topic...
No way to prove macros on pc. All macros can be hardware queued now with mice and keyboards, and you can’t ban based on those hardware devices. Good luck!
@shadowninja136 I think it was confirmed on another thread that macros, be they hardware based or derived through software, are against the xbox live ToS and you can get banned for using them. I'd avoid them from now on tbh, it's not inconceivable that someone could record you using a macro against them and report you to xbox live resulting in a ban.
@shadowninja136 said in Macros:
@murkrage ok thank you man, being dominated by a macro user right now
Yea for crossplay? Oh...different topic...
No way to prove macros on pc. All macros can be hardware queued now with mice and keyboards, and you can’t ban based on those hardware devices. Good luck!
As @Boxcar-Squidy mentioned, a Rare employee on another thread confirmed unequivocally that macro use is prohibited, whether through hardware or software, and could result in a permanent ban. It's definitely not allowed, and there are ways of detecting it. It's best simply to avoid them.
@shadowninja136 as others have said it is against the ToS and Rare have confirmed it is against the rules and bans can, and will be issued.
As always I would advise that should you think you are encountering it n game, record some footage and note the GT of the player(s) and then head over here to report:
@x5h3ar3rx to be fair that can be done in very low tech ways with a controller but I shan't break forum rules by explaining how.
Once again, if you see a player slowly moving in circles, or performing the same random action in a synchronised action then film it and report it.@boxcar-squidy said in Macros:
@shadowninja136 I think it was confirmed on another thread that macros, be they hardware based or derived through software, are against the xbox live ToS and you can get banned for using them. I'd avoid them from now on tbh, it's not inconceivable that someone could record you using a macro against them and report you to xbox live resulting in a ban.
While good advise, that is not at all what OP was asking. OP is not advocating the use of a macro, but asking whether or not it violates the rules while feeling they are over powered in use.
@x5h3ar3rx said in Macros:
What about people using macros to keep AFK without getting removed by the server?
It's in your post: macros. It doesn't matter what they are used for, they are prohibited :)
@murkrage yeah my advice was more for those who actually use / are considering using macros.
The first part of my post was my response to the OPs question.
@x5h3ar3rx said in Macros:
What about people using macros to keep AFK without getting removed by the server?
That is also forbidden.
@x5h3ar3rx said in Macros:
@genuine-heather Should I report them even if it is not effecting me personally?
Absolutely :)
@x5h3ar3rx said in Macros:
@genuine-heather Should I report them even if it is not effecting me personally?
I’m not a Rare employee so take my advice with a grain of salt. But if you believe someone is cheating, giving themselves an unfair advantage, then by all means report them. Absolutely. Rare will investigate and take appropriate action, if warranted. If everything is kosher, no harm no foul. I personally would only report if I was fairly certain, because I don’t wish to waste Rare’s time and resources, nor would I wish to cause trouble for someone who’s doing nothing wrong. But it’s your call.
@genuine-heather Thanks.. exactly.. there is no harm to my experience so I'll continue my questing! Thanks for the feedback
This has been discussed:
@RareCSM said :Under the Xbox Code of Conduct, Terms of Use and Services Agreements, it is not permitted to tamper with the game or services in any un-authorised way, whether that is via Hardware such as Mouse and Keyboard or 3rd party software that emulates Macro functionality. As such, accounts can be terminated if found to be doing it.
Hope that clears it up for you.
@dyfrin and how exactly can it be proven? As it is pc players can double gun as fast as a macro by mapping their keys to make it easier, how can MS or rare actually detect the macro without just seeing a clip (that has to be filmed well enough to somehow prove the macro)
Players that cheat like this tend to find new targets and not hang around to be recorded after the first time, and like i said unless they can somehow see data from the clip or that persons pc to prove it, how can they really prove it and make decisions without just taking a clip at face value. maybe the person who took the clip was lagging and it looks like they are teleporting or shooting and healing without reloading or eating. What happens when they get banned?
I just dont know if this is possible to actually verify.
@a-cranky-eskimo They have ways. They can watch players suspected of cheating to see if there's a pattern of abuse. I bet they can time the keystrokes. Macros can fire off much faster than the fastest finger. It's possible to double-gun pretty fast without macros, but macros are still detectably faster. It's simple physics. I doubt Rare would ban someone without positive proof. They wouldn't base it on a clip sent to them, alone, but would investigate the player to verify.
@genuine-heather i hope so lol, seems like they would need an entire other studio to put that kind of effort into watching specific people, maybe MS has a department that looks into this that their dev studios outsource reports to or the reports go directly to them so rare dosnt have to deal with it..
As long as there are actual steps that they can take to prove it, sounds good to me.
I am not sure if they have input recording, but if they do, seeing a perfectly consistent timing on input would indicate macros, right?
Once the double gun fix is out, the desire to use a macro to swap and get the 2nd shot is going to be minimized.
The only other thing a macro could be used for is anti AFK booting, which needs to be addressed with voting IMO, the rubber band controller is doing the same without macros.Things like barrel inventory moving doesn't make much sense to do, nor even bailing, because one little lag glitch and you aren't getting rid of water anymore. I just don't see where they could be used.
@Shadowninja136 how you know you run into macros... did they yell: you've been cheated by a keyboard makro? I wonder how you can judge about it.
@x5h3ar3rx you don't need a makro for that. Lay down your gamepad upside down, so the left stick is angled and your avatar will start to turn around.
Once the double gun fix is out, the desire to use a macro to swap and get the 2nd shot is going to be minimized.
This is no macro. Use a elite controller, have the switch-weapon-button mapped to one of the lower paddels and do BLAM paddle BLAM in a second. Don't blame macros for that.
Am I cheating if I use the Microsoft Elite Controller and have FOUR Buttons more then you? No.
@a-cranky-eskimo said in Macros:
@dyfrin and how exactly can it be proven? As it is pc players can double gun as fast as a macro by mapping their keys to make it easier, how can MS or rare actually detect the macro without just seeing a clip (that has to be filmed well enough to somehow prove the macro)
The timing of the actions will be identical each time they do a macro, to the millisecond. That consistency would be extremely unlikely for a player simply hitting keystrokes - they would vary slightly.
Players that cheat like this tend to find new targets and not hang around to be recorded after the first time, and like i said unless they can somehow see data from the clip or that persons pc to prove it, how can they really prove it and make decisions without just taking a clip at face value. maybe the person who took the clip was lagging and it looks like they are teleporting or shooting and healing without reloading or eating. What happens when they get banned?
They don't use one clip in this instance to verify, they'll use the clip as evidence enough to investigate further. If they are found to have cheated and get banned, they get banned. Penalties from cheating can vary from a short-time ban to permanent.
I just dont know if this is possible to actually verify.
Server logs, is what I am guessing. I would be surprised if every action on a server isn't logged and timestamped. You'll probably find somewhere in the EULA where you have agreed to this by playing the game.
I didn't mean to "swap" the weapon.
I meant to fire, swap and fire in a single click/press.It isn't cheating to be fast. It is cheating to have aid with automatic input, via hardware or software (I think that is what that post by CSM means?).
I get the feeling that people don't really know what macros are.
Because of the nature of a macro there's nothing a player can't do what a macro can. For example in the case of the "double gun" thing one can bind it to a key. Now that player needs to aim and press the key, otherwise he would have to aim klick scroll klick, nothing too complex right?
On a controller that would be RT-Y-RT (also not too complex)
And that's without rebinding, if I were to rebind the controller to RBit's just RT RB RT (just 2 fingers tapping in rapid sucession to pull this off).
There's one thing that macros can do that I'm completely against and that's AFK Macro'ing. Making a macro loop every x seconds to prevent AFK is just awefull. Having a macro do the double shot doesn't really prevent it from happening and every other macro usage is useless fluff (coding a macro to hold a button to dig up treasure in stead of klicking a bunch of times is just QOL improvement and hurts no-one).
so to come back to your question, I feel it's not the macro itself but the exploit that needs fixing and if you know of an exploit someone can make with a macro please share that with rare trough a ticket.
For example in the case of the "double gun" thing one can bind it to a key. Now that player needs to aim and press the key, otherwise he would have to aim klick scroll klick, nothing too complex right?
On a controller that would be RT-Y-RT (also not too complex)
And that's without rebinding, if I were to rebind the controller to RBit's just RT RB RT (just 2 fingers tapping in rapid sucession to pull this off).
This is all correct but the macro is still giving a person the edge - pressing one button instead of two (with three button presses) is still an advantage.
Yes, you can pull off the double gun exploit without macros but that doesn't make macros any less convenient.
If we could test, I would bet a person using the macro to do versus the person manually doing it would win the vast majority of the time.
@realstyli An edge yes, a major advantage no.
I'm just saying that the root of the problem many people face is the double gun exploit. And to be honest I'm more bothered by the fact that people have a way of getting a person to 0HP in a span of a second at a decent range more then I am of the roughly <1% that uses macros for this
It's something anyone can pull off and you don't even need a perfect timing for it. As long as you can hit them with a sniper and get them again with a pistol before they eat a second banana you're set.
I feel the OP has a wrong Idea about macros, making it a magic I win button. That's just not true. I feel the use of Macros isn't in itself a problem, as said before I can make a macro on a Macro keboard that does a left klick every second so I don't have to keep klicking to dig up a treasure. That wouldn't hurt anyone, it isn't detected by anyone and all it does for me is save my poor finger from RSI. If that's against the rules I'd be baffled.
Now making a macro that prevents you from getting AFK kicked is a different story entirely.
The OP says he's run into them multiple times, how can he say? I never use macros (I don't have a macro keyboard so I've got no buttons to put them on and I see no value in purchasing said keyboard) yet I can make it appear like a macro god just by pressing the right buttons.
@realstyli An edge yes, a major advantage no.
I'm just saying that the root of the problem many people face is the double gun exploit. And to be honest I'm more bothered by the fact that people have a way of getting a person to 0HP in a span of a second at a decent range more then I am of the roughly <1% that uses macros for this
Yeah, I agree with that. And certainly nerfing the root of the problem - the actual exploit itself, will solve the problem and macros for those actions won't be as effective anyway.
Now making a macro that prevents you from getting AFK kicked is a different story entirely.
True as well, but I think it's common knowledge this can also be done on a controller without macros.
@hynieth You’re missing the point. It’s true that macros simply store and recall keystrokes. I think we all know what they do. The point is they do it way faster than would be possible manually. And they can be used in multiple scenarios. I’m not getting into the details, but here’s the bottom line. Rare says all macro use is against the rules and a bannable offense. That’s clear enough for me. I wanted to use my gaming keyboard for utility macros, like emptying barrels, filling crates, etc. I asked about them in another thread and received an unequivocal answer. So I don’t use them. End of story.
Macro use is against the rules. Period.
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