Playing without a local account (PC)

  • Hello,
    I understand that an online account is required to play an online game, but I would like to know if there is a way to play SOT (PC) without using the absolute terrible windows local account system that makes me bind my email address to my local session on my PC which has frustrating side effects such as forcing me to close my local session and all opened softwares everytime I want to logoff from the windows store or asking me to login to my PC with my email info after every boot and synchronising my data.

    This is literally the only reason that I never bought the game as I discovered all this during the free beta during which I very much enjoyed every single other aspects of SOT.
    Since quite some time has passed, I would like to know if this is still required to play the game.
    I didn't have time to investigate further back then but I also seem to remember that a friend of mine might not have had these problems to try the game, which made me think that it could have been tweakable in the account options of windows; but I never found a way to launch the game without locally connection to a microsoft account instead of keeping my regular session.

    Ideally I would just want a platform via which I could login to buy / launche the game and then logoff without any other interactions with my PC (Steam, Origin, Uplay, etc..), and I really don't understand why this is so complicated to have.

    Thanks !

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  • @nh4ga Ahoy matey!

    You should be able to play this with any account signed into your PC, as long as you are signed into the Xbox app with the correct Microsoft Account/Gamertag that has purchased the game or you want to sign into the game as.

  • Honestly your question is quite confusing, to the point that I'm not sure you even are aware of what you're actually asking but instead denotes a form of Security Paranoia.

    Now in the most basic sense, you have 2 Account Types available for Windows 10.
    Roaming (which is the new Default, effectively it's an Online Account)
    and
    Local (which is the Traditional Windows Account)

    I'm unsure, why exactly you'd want to constantly want to Sign In / Sign Out of the myriad of Applications and Services that Windows runs (Microsoft Store, Xbox Live, Groove, Film and Video, Skype, etc.) … but if that's the route you want to take, then of course you're entirely free to create a Local Account., then you're Microsoft Account will be signed in "On Demand"., still it will always be required to access any Services that Microsoft Provides (such-as Xbox Live).

    Now beyond this all Microsoft Store (UWP) applications are associated with your Microsoft Account., which handles Licensing, Cloud Information, etc.
    The Application isn't simple "Unlocked" then continues DRM Free., and this is just as true for Steam / UPlay / Origin / etc.

    In fact to my recollection only Good Old Games offers DRM Free Versions.
    Steam for example, while (once authenticated, and steam cache permitting) can run Games in Off Line Mode... this is NOT the same as not being signed in.
    You cannot use Steam without Signing in (even if it is local authentication only) nor can you use Steam Games without Steam being Active.

    Microsoft' approach is far less intrusive, as said Licensing, DRM and Authentication is simply part of your Microsoft Account., which as noted is "Roaming" meaning Local Authentication is a "Sign-In Once" Process (specifically at login) and well that's it... you don't need to sign in again.

    Your Session also isn't "Shutdown" when you Logoff and sign in another Account., instead it's put into Hibernation until you sign back in.

    Yet Roaming Microsoft Accounts also have another "Trick" up their Sleeve, in a manner of speaking., which is the "Family Account" System... this allows you to associate multiple Microsoft Accounts (in my case, both my own and my brother' Microsoft/Live Accounts)., and while there is a Dominant once for each of our Roaming Accounts; this provides access (with a one time setup) to Sign In / Out of each others Accounts regardless of which Roaming Account we're using.

    This not only allows us to share Games that are "Exclusive" to our Accounts but it also means when we want to play Multiplayer Games; or simply play something without disturbing the open applications by switching Windows Instances., we can simply choose which account we wish to sign in with at the touch of a button.

    I'd strong recommend you become better acquainted with the Windows 10 Account System., as it provides an awful lot of powerful features.
    The Multiple Desktops being one; where you can have individualised Desktops you can switch between "On-the-Fly" … for example I tend to have an Entertainment, Gaming, Work and Development Desktop; where-in each is tailored to provide not just the best Desktop Setup but also cater the enabled/disabled Services and Applications to maintain the maximum system resources for each type of Workload.

    And there is another neat trick being with Multi-Monitor Displays, being able to specifically have each Display as a Unique Desktop; with only the one in Focus actually fully using all resources.

  • @leyvin said in Playing without a local account (PC):

    In fact to my recollection only Good Old Games offers DRM Free Versions.
    Steam for example, while (once authenticated, and steam cache permitting) can run Games in Off Line Mode... this is NOT the same as not being signed in.
    You cannot use Steam without Signing in (even if it is local authentication only) nor can you use Steam Games without Steam being Active.

    This isn't true, and many games on Steam do not have any DRM nor do they require Steam to be running - this is completely up to the developer.

    The problem that OP is describing is an issue with the Microsoft Store. Even though you can be logged into the Xbox app and the store with the correct account there are times when the authentication will just fail and you need to use a live account for windows login.

  • @d3adst1ck said in Playing without a local account (PC):

    @leyvin said in Playing without a local account (PC):

    In fact to my recollection only Good Old Games offers DRM Free Versions.
    Steam for example, while (once authenticated, and steam cache permitting) can run Games in Off Line Mode... this is NOT the same as not being signed in.
    You cannot use Steam without Signing in (even if it is local authentication only) nor can you use Steam Games without Steam being Active.

    This isn't true, and many games on Steam do not have any DRM nor do they require Steam to be running - this is completely up to the developer.

    The problem that OP is describing is an issue with the Microsoft Store. Even though you can be logged into the Xbox app and the store with the correct account there are times when the authentication will just fail and you need to use a live account for windows login.

    Any Game on Steam REQUIRES the Steam Cache DRM., which in turn REQUIRES Steam to be Active.

    What you are talking about is the Developers using Steam Works, which forces you to actually run the Application via the Steam GUI … which isn't the same as requiring the Steam Runtime Service to be active and signed in.

    Don't believe me... copy said "DRM Free" Game to a Computer that doesn't have Steam Installed and try to run it., or even simply copy your Steam Common Folder (which contains all of your games) back after a Fresh Install.
    In either case the Games will simply NOT work., without performing a Repair / Reauthentication.

    It never ceases to amaze me how few people realise that Steam DRM is as ever present as any other., but somehow Valve gets a "Free Pass" while other Digital Stores are oft demonised for this practise.

    Also as I stated above., the Local Account is only supported in Windows 8.0, 8.1 and 10.0 as a legacy feature.
    Now, if there are situations where "Authentication will Fail"., is likely due to said login Credentials Lease has timed out... as I recall this occurs after 15-60min of inactivity depending on the particular Service in Question.

    A Local (Windows) Account does not Automatically renew the Credentials Lease, where-as a Roaming (Microsoft) Account does., primarily because it is performing a check-in with OneDrive, Accounts, Live, etc. between 1-15min.

    If you're not using the Roaming (Microsoft) Account., then the reality is you will have to deal with Authentication Blackouts that can occur in the Individual Services due to Peak Loads where Azure cannot keep pace with the requests resulting in Authentication Requests timing out., a problem much more common on IPv4 Connections, as Teredo can oft become "Broken" from various actions.

    It's a simple fix assuming you notice it's placed you into a Restricted NAT., but still this can quite commonly occur and can cause issues in Authentication or Authentication Server Access.
    Something that doesn't occur with a Microsoft Account, because any Credential License request is a Direct rather than a Proxy., thus bypasses said potential issues.

    As I stated in my previous post., the only reason to not use a Roaming (Microsoft) Account is due to Security Paranoia.
    And in regards to the "I need to constantly sign in with my Microsoft/Live Email"., well just set a Sign-In Pin, or use Microsoft Hello.

    This means you can use a 4 - 8 Digit Pin-Code instead of signing in all of your details (with said Details Masked) … or you can use your Webcam for it to recognise your Face and sign you in automatically.

  • @leyvin said in Playing without a local account (PC):

    @d3adst1ck said in Playing without a local account (PC):

    @leyvin said in Playing without a local account (PC):

    In fact to my recollection only Good Old Games offers DRM Free Versions.
    Steam for example, while (once authenticated, and steam cache permitting) can run Games in Off Line Mode... this is NOT the same as not being signed in.
    You cannot use Steam without Signing in (even if it is local authentication only) nor can you use Steam Games without Steam being Active.

    This isn't true, and many games on Steam do not have any DRM nor do they require Steam to be running - this is completely up to the developer.

    The problem that OP is describing is an issue with the Microsoft Store. Even though you can be logged into the Xbox app and the store with the correct account there are times when the authentication will just fail and you need to use a live account for windows login.

    Any Game on Steam REQUIRES the Steam Cache DRM., which in turn REQUIRES Steam to be Active.

    What you are talking about is the Developers using Steam Works, which forces you to actually run the Application via the Steam GUI … which isn't the same as requiring the Steam Runtime Service to be active and signed in.

    No, Steamworks is a separate set of tools. There are 100% DRM free games available on Steam

    Here's the relevant text :

    This is a list of games and software available on Steam that do not require the use of the Steam client itself (after the game or software is downloaded using the client), do not contain any third-party DRM (Games for Windows - LIVE, Uplay, Denuvo, etc.), or the optional Valve CEG (Custom Executable Generation) Steam component, making them effectively launcher-free applications once downloaded. This means that you can copy the game folder anywhere you want to and launch the game directly without being online or having Steam or third-party software running.

  • @d3adst1ck said in Playing without a local account (PC):

    @leyvin said in Playing without a local account (PC):

    @d3adst1ck said in Playing without a local account (PC):

    @leyvin said in Playing without a local account (PC):

    In fact to my recollection only Good Old Games offers DRM Free Versions.
    Steam for example, while (once authenticated, and steam cache permitting) can run Games in Off Line Mode... this is NOT the same as not being signed in.
    You cannot use Steam without Signing in (even if it is local authentication only) nor can you use Steam Games without Steam being Active.

    This isn't true, and many games on Steam do not have any DRM nor do they require Steam to be running - this is completely up to the developer.

    The problem that OP is describing is an issue with the Microsoft Store. Even though you can be logged into the Xbox app and the store with the correct account there are times when the authentication will just fail and you need to use a live account for windows login.

    Any Game on Steam REQUIRES the Steam Cache DRM., which in turn REQUIRES Steam to be Active.

    What you are talking about is the Developers using Steam Works, which forces you to actually run the Application via the Steam GUI … which isn't the same as requiring the Steam Runtime Service to be active and signed in.

    No, Steamworks is a separate set of tools. There are 100% DRM free games available on Steam

    Here's the relevant text :

    This is a list of games and software available on Steam that do not require the use of the Steam client itself (after the game or software is downloaded using the client), do not contain any third-party DRM (Games for Windows - LIVE, Uplay, Denuvo, etc.), or the optional Valve CEG (Custom Executable Generation) Steam component, making them effectively launcher-free applications once downloaded. This means that you can copy the game folder anywhere you want to and launch the game directly without being online or having Steam or third-party software running.

    Nonsense.
    Steam enforces DRM on all of the products downloaded from 2012 onward., as it is an core feature of the Steam Cache System.

    While it is possible (via some considerable effort) and pre-authentication … meaning it must be run for a minimum of 2hrs before it "Fully" Authenticates said Software., only then is it possible for you to then run the Application "Steam Client" Free (in many cases with some careful editing / deleting of key files., which doing so actually breaks the Application from running in the Steam Client without "Cache Validation" (which will reset said Authentication, and reinitialise the Steam DRM).

    Yet even then, you're not done.
    While this does allow the application to run without the Steam Client, and from another place on your System... you still require Steam to be installed, which by default keeps the Steam Service active.
    (This is something I have manually disabled)

    As a result, while sure... it's run and "Appear" DRM Free., it's not.
    Change your Hardware, Move it to another Computer, and said Software will simply cease working with any number of Thrown Errors; from "Please Insert the CD"., to DEP Faults.

    The only "DRM Free" Software on Steam., are games that are not available through Steam but instead creates a Catalogue Index to be accessed via the Steam Client.

    Deltarune, for example.
    Still,. as noted there is considerable Effort and Steps that must be taken to "Make Steam Games DRM Free" … THAT IS NOT DRM FREE,. as if it were then these would be entirely Portable Runtimes; where you could without any effort simply copy the Folder to any other Computer and run the Game.

    But you can't... and this has been quite frustrating at times especially with Games that are frankly "Broken" in their 'as-is' State on Steam... such-as Mysteries of the Sith.
    Which requires some Unofficial Fixes in order for it to work on Windows Vista or Later.

  • @leyvin I don't know what else will satisfy you when you can very easily look up "steam drm free portable" and get confirmation that you can run games downloaded through the stream client without running steam and on other computers that do not have Steam installed.

    Like I said, it depends on the developer and what they want to do with DRM. You can continue to throw out evidence as nonsense if you want.

  • If you guys don't mind, I would like to redirect this conversation to my attempt at getting along with this session / account system thingy so first,
    @Leyvin thank you very much for your detailed post and explanations. I made researches and you seem to be correct on many points, and today I learned with surprise that the local account system indeed seems to be a legacy feature that, whether or not I want it (and I don't), is doomed to disappear.
    So I guess I might as well try to get allong with this new system which I tried to avoid as much as possible until now, but I'm already facing a strange problem at the very first step of this process since I can't login the xbox app on my computer.
    I've been trying and making researches for 5 hours, I can log in my outlook, I can log on the microsoft website, I can log on the xbox live website (which was required to access this forum), but I can't connect to either the xbox or windows store apps on my computer..

    I've tried everything I could find onine with the error code that was returned : 0x80070520 (update my OS and the apps, reset the app's cache files, check the services, reset the apps and using the troubleshot tool) but nothing worked.
    I've also read that the "AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.WindowsStore_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalState" folder might contain corrupted account files after a backup of the appdata folder, but mine was empty.

    I ran out of things to try, any ideas ?

  • @nh4ga

    0x80070520 is "Updates are Ready to Install but you currently do not have Permissions to Complete"

    Switch back to your Local (Windows) Admin Account., and it should complete the updates without issue.
    It could also be due to Malware / Anti-Virus Software (McAfee and Bulldog have a habit of doing this)., so temporarily disabling them to complete the operation might also work.

    It's a common issue that can occur, which tends to resolve itself with a Major (Cumulative) Update.

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