@havukruunu I had some messages in my inbox which are clearly spanish swearing I dont think that guy is permabanned xD
@its-vill said in Pirate code and consequences:
So after this weeks talk and emphasis on the pirate code
What are the penalties for breaking each article in the code? And what are the benefits to adhering to each article in the code?
Otherwise there is little to no reason for people to follow it...
Impossible not to refer to Barbossa, but they are more like guidelines.
It is my understanding that they are goals for the community to strive towards to make the game a better place for everyone.
The benefits are a healthier play environment. But it mostly comes down to the individual on how they want to behave within the games culture.
Afaik they are not strictly enforceable (except for item 1 & 7 perhaps), if you experience behaviour that goes beyond acceptable within the games rules, such as verbal abuse, racism or bullying it is always best to report them.
https://support.seaofthieves.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360000779227-How-to-report-a-player
@bugraersoyyy Well, as long as they don't get seen by the devs...
But be sure, if a dev sees you being even remotely agressive, you will lose your account.
I've seen it happen.
Want to take a really good word of advice from me?
Play in silence.
If people yell, insult, call you a hacker, just keep playing and don't say a word.
This is coming from someone who enjoys a good banter while pvping.
It's not worth it, man, if you're not being "extremely friendly" don't even bother talking.
As for reporting, cheaters are the only ones i report, when people start doing ther usual screeching and calling me an aimbotter i simply message them on the xbox app telling them to chill out and that i'm not a cheater, as much as i feel like i should dissect them for the stuff they say.
Again, don't let your own words become your demise.
@macdoland I get that breaking 1 and 7 have harsh consequences. But what’s the point of 2-6 if there’s no reward or consequence?
Don’t get me wrong I love the pirate code I just want it to have more meaning behind it than just “guidelines”
@havukruunu not true, people breaking 1 and 7 get permabanned. But god knows how many people break 2-6 even on stream and get no punishment
@its-vill
These guidelines provide the benefit of a safe place open to everyone to tell stories as they play out their pirate fantasies. Both our own stories and those we share together free from bullying and harassment. A place where where everyone is accepted and respected not matter who they are and what makes them different. On the Sea of Thieves we all are just pirates.
The consequences to those who violate the Pirate Code are simple. The sea will no longer welcome them and Rare will ban them.
@its-vill said in Pirate code and consequences:
@macdoland I get that breaking 1 and 7 have harsh consequences. But what’s the point of 2-6 if there’s no reward or consequence?
Don’t get me wrong I love the pirate code I just want it to have more meaning behind it than just “guidelines”
I get ye, and agree mostly, particularly with good behaviour within ones crew. I just can't imagine how they could effectively police it. Based on complaints aired on these forums a lot of the time the scenarios seem to be pretty subjective.
Take for example the other day I ran an athenas fortune voyage with a random crew, everyone was lovely, but half way through someone else joined in and basically stood around doing nothing, intentionally. All because I warned them after they randomly dropped the anchor that any further incidents may result in crew vote for the brig.
I mean it sucked, and made the voyage take longer and drag on since one other crewmate had to stay aboard and watch them, but I wouldn't say it broke any rules. How can you make a rule that each crew mate must pull their weight?
I mean afterwards I thanked the rest of the crew for working hard, would that mean I'm in breach of Article 4? I clearly wasn't treating everyone equal there.
Incidentally after my thanks the said individual took offence then aggressively messaged me through xbox, so I reported them for that.
@luciansanchez82 oh I agree. But too often do people break these with little no no consequences.
Article 1
The Sea Calls To Us All
Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed.
Consequences for breaking it when reported: permaban
Article 2
The Sea Unites Us as One Community
Outside the heat of battle or piracy on the high seas, all crews shall bond together as a community of like-minded souls.
Consequences for breaking it (talking negatively to others outside of the game) none
Article 3
Disputes Are Settled upon the Waves
None shall quarrel or overly dissent against another crew, but let every engagement be settled by sword, pistol and good seamanship.
Consequences for breaking it (talking down to others instead of settling it by killing each other in the sea) none
Article 4
All Crewmates Are Equal
Let each crewmate be respected as equal and free to follow their own bearing, speak openly and vote in affairs of the voyage.
Consequences for breaking it (none, perhaps a brig + vote to kick would help)
Article 5
The Crew Bond Is Sacred
Those who betray their crew and ship through griefing or trolling shall be sent to the brig.
Consequences (none) they can go afk and still be on the ship
Article 6
Respect New Pirates and Their Voyage Ahead
May the old legends help to forge new ones: treat new pirates with respect and share your knowledge.
Consequences for breaking it (griefing and killing new players) none
Article 7
Those Who Cheat Shall Be Punished
Pirates who show bad form and cheat their crew or others shall surely face bitter hardships and punishments.
Consequences for breaking it (perma ban)
So do I believe breaking 2-6 need consequences? Not harsh ones. However I do believe that players should be rewarded for adhering to 2-6
@macdoland right? It kinda sucks. But you should be rewarded for adhering to the code if we can’t punish those who break some of it
@its-vill said in Pirate code and consequences:
@macdoland right? It kinda sucks. But you should be rewarded for adhering to the code if we can’t punish those who break some of it
Yeah that would be nice actually, sort of like in Overwatch where you can endorse people for good behaviour.
"I mean they robbed me, but at least they were polite about it" :D
@havukruunu Im genuinly the most toxic I know after some dota 2 steamer who is called EternalEnvy but still I will try to have your post in my mind
Its just feels so awesome to troll people when they think they hide the fort key and think key is in untouchable place xD
@its-vill said in Pirate code and consequences:
@luciansanchez82 oh I agree. But too often do people break these with little no no consequences.
Article 1
The Sea Calls To Us All
Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed.Consequences for breaking it when reported: permaban
Article 2
The Sea Unites Us as One Community
Outside the heat of battle or piracy on the high seas, all crews shall bond together as a community of like-minded souls.Consequences for breaking it (talking negatively to others outside of the game) none
Article 3
Disputes Are Settled upon the Waves
None shall quarrel or overly dissent against another crew, but let every engagement be settled by sword, pistol and good seamanship.Consequences for breaking it (talking down to others instead of settling it by killing each other in the sea) none
Article 4
All Crewmates Are Equal
Let each crewmate be respected as equal and free to follow their own bearing, speak openly and vote in affairs of the voyage.Consequences for breaking it (none, perhaps a brig + vote to kick would help)
Article 5
The Crew Bond Is Sacred
Those who betray their crew and ship through griefing or trolling shall be sent to the brig.Consequences (none) they can go afk and still be on the ship
Article 6
Respect New Pirates and Their Voyage Ahead
May the old legends help to forge new ones: treat new pirates with respect and share your knowledge.Consequences for breaking it (griefing and killing new players) none
Article 7
Those Who Cheat Shall Be Punished
Pirates who show bad form and cheat their crew or others shall surely face bitter hardships and punishments.Consequences for breaking it (perma ban)
So do I believe breaking 2-6 need consequences? Not harsh ones. However I do believe that players should be rewarded for adhering to 2-6
I think what you have to consider is that Rare can only police on the properties they own. In the case of 2 - 6 that would be in game, this website (namely the forum), and the official discord channel and some of those articles are policed within those spaces:
Article 2 & 3: If you're receiving abuse in the form of messages on xbox live, or PM's here or on discord, action can be taken against those users in the form of bans, either from Xbox, or from the forums.
Article 4: A difficult one to police in my opinion. People aren't always going to agree on what they do or how they do it. To me it just means there needs to be a certain diplomacy when playing this game, especially within random crews. A kick system might help, if it can be balanced correctly (it's a huge subject). Otherwise it may sometimes be better to just walk away and try again with another crew if you're really clashing. It's a tough one to police unless players are being toxic, and proof of that toxicity can be reported.
Article 5: This was created in line with the brig being introduced to ships back in the alpha days. Not much really for Rare to do here (at least with the current set up). The rule simply states that if players are trolling or behaving toxic, their crewmates are within their right to throw them in the brig. It doesn't solve all the issues such as AFK, but that is also a whole other discussion.
Article 6: I'd say this is more for encouragement than an actual enforceable rule. It's to everyone's benefit for us old hats to offer some advice to those new on the sea. But at the same time it would be a bit harsh for me to be expected to stop what I'm doing and help every new player I come across, lest I be punished if I don't. As much as I like to help others out, I also want to enjoy the game my way too.
@luciansanchez82 i align with your opinion on the articles.
I do believe that 2-6 are hard to have policies for, so if we can’t punish people, why not reward those who follow 2-6?
For article 6
I’m sure there’s someway to keep data of how many times you’ve killed a sloop of new players that aren’t hostile And can have the kraken, Meg, and skeleton ship deal with them more often then not. Or just let rng NOT be in your favor.
For helping the newbies, let rng be in their favor.
Article 2-4
Tracking the nasty language should help when directed towards others, otherwise rewarding those who are kind to Their crew members makes sense.
Article 5
Some plan for afk people would be nice. Maybe turning the game against them?
If RARE can influence RNG for encounters depending on the behavior of players, it would be beneficial to the whole of sea of thieves
@bugraersoyyy said in Pirate code and consequences:
@havukruunu Im genuinly the most toxic I know after some dota 2 steamer who is called EternalEnvy but still I will try to have your post in my mind
Its just feels so awesome to troll people when they think they hide the fort key and think key is in untouchable place xD
Yes man, i understand your "toxicity" sometimes we get too hyped ingame and start going crazy with the banter, atleast, i used to, now i don't talk anymore.
I suggest you do the same.
Want to go all out bantering? go play csgo, you won't get shutdown for words there.
The problem with the pirate code is people think certain things fall under it that do not. I posted about an outpost camping exploit and was hated on for outpost camping with people claiming it's against pirate code. It's not. Killing other pirates without loot is not either. And sitting on their boat spawn killing them is also not against the code. We all have our own responsibilities, and if someone else is ruining the game for you it's your responsibility to get out of that predicament.
The pirates code should include "Honorably Accepting Defeat"
@boomtownboss depends on who you are killing
If it’s newbies in an outpost that have 1 minute of game time, you are technically breaking
article 6 “Respect New Pirates and Their Voyage Ahead
May the old legends help to forge new ones: treat new pirates with respect and share your knowledge.”
Spawn camping newbies isn’t respectful it’s just cowardly.
Now do I believe someone needs to be banned for that? Not at all, but I believe people that don’t spawn camp newbies at the outpost should be rewarded.
@boomtownboss said in Pirate code and consequences:
@its-vill said in Pirate code and consequences:
@boomtownboss depends on who you are killing
If it’s newbies in an outpost that have 1 minute of game time, you are technically breaking
article 6 “Respect New Pirates and Their Voyage Ahead
May the old legends help to forge new ones: treat new pirates with respect and share your knowledge.”Spawn camping newbies isn’t respectful it’s just cowardly.
Now do I believe someone needs to be banned for that? Not at all, but I believe people that don’t spawn camp newbies at the outpost should be rewarded.Sure, but that's an extreme example that only applies to newbies. Even so, newbs can see the scuttle note on the ferry.
I’ve seen new people that don’t even know how to leave the ferry let alone read something on it. I’m not saying make it carebear either, but at least trying to talk to them and helping them getting started on their first ever voyage should be rewarded.
@havukruunu said in Pirate code and consequences:
Spawncamping new players is just plain boring too, let's be honest.
Would you rather fight cocky athenas 10s who think they're gods or people who just booted up the game for the first time?Ill take number 1 any day.
I agree, but it's irrelevant to my comment about people misinterpreting the pirate code.
@Its-Vill I was new once too. I'm confident they'll get used to it. Also, the scuttle reminder is spelled out in the loading screen.
@its-vill said in Pirate code and consequences:
@x-crowheart-x except they only ban people who break 1 and 7. 2-6 have no consequences.
Bad behavior in those areas can in many cases can tie back to Article 1. Root cause for most bad behavior towards others can be found there. However, for the most part you are right the burden has been left more to the players. Rare has left it up to us to settle many external issues on the waves and dispatch internal ones to the brig.
I think Rare had high hopes that the community would come more together in the best way possible and for the most part play nice together. Yes, that can happen. Truth is it can often be far from reality. The majority of my play sessions since launch I have experienced at least one or two ships and their crews acting in contrary to the Pirate Code. As I said the sea will not welcome them. We definitely helped the waves swallow many of those ships and crews.
We rarely accept open crew members. That is where Rare’s vision has fallen the most short. The brig is not a solution to the most common problem with toxic players and the game from a multiplayer perspective. It just locks the problem on your ship until the toxic player or troll leaves. Which they almost never do. Those following the Pirate Code usually finish their voyages while the bad player sits in the brig being rewarded from from the efforts of players playing right together.
That is why I like others would like to see a two step system where we can escalate to removing the bad player from the crew for true consequences. Either marooning them or vote them to walking the plank. If we are going to truly make the shared world a better place as a community, please give use an option other than leaving a person stuck in our crew or forcing everyone else to log off and start over.
Maybe Rare plans to revisit this. They said they would look at if over time and revise the code when necessary. Yes, it would have had more impact on the community if Joe had went a bit further with what you are asking clarity for. Problem is while Rare is great at making good games, they can be horrible at communicating in all aspects about their games.
This all got me to remember about being disappointed when a member of the audience stood up to ask a question after Rare had just presented the Pirate Code at a panel discussion. The person said he loved being toxic and bullying people in video games. He asked the Rare panel could he bully as many people as he wanted. There was laughter and the reply from Rare was “you absolutely can”.
No mixed message there. Very sad and very disappointing. So, after giving it more thought I totally agree with you. Either give the community the options to deliver just consequences on the sea for what Rare will not or cannot enforce or Rare needs to come out with strong support on their part to do so themselves. Rare really needs to stand behind the entire Pirate Code like most of us pledge to do and help enforce it when others do not live by it.
can not see how you can follow it 100%
Trash talking is just part of open chat, there is many form of it, an it's only the racist players I have a problem with.
But you are just as likely to meet someone their swear an talk over one another, to meet someone that compliment you for GG
But half of the pirate code overlap each other. an more or less say the same thing, or notning really at all
An why should I help other to Legend, I do it a little, but why should I? there is no reward other than see a new player trying to turn the Athena chest in a every vendor(funny every time)
When I am sailing with my main crew, I only have 2min to get you to join the alliance or die.
I dont tell them the die part right away, after they join, just so they know they make the smart choice
