Excerpt from the pirate code:
"Article 7 - Cheating will be punished.
Pirates with unbecoming and cheating behavior will suffer the wrath of their peers. "
What about players who use hackmenu to sink ships at a distance or become immortal and kill enemies in one shot?
It's used to spend hours looking for loot and make deliveries to be hunted by a community of cheater who do not know how to play differently and prevents real players from progressing with laughter ...
Ahoy there @mordrakehorror !
Welcome to these forums! If you suspect someone from cheating in whatever way, shape or form report them and it'll be investigated, explaination on how to report can be found here. That cheaters exist doesn't mean they're not dealt with, that would be the same as saying crime exist, so the police is doing nothing. Help Rare clean up these cheaters by reporting them whenever you manage to encounter one and try to back your claims up with as much proof as you can gather.
I myself played since launch and have yet to encounter a single cheater, so while I'm sure they're there it, it luckily seems a rare occurrence.
Signed,
Captain FishSt1ck
Many reports have been reported (by friends) and yesterday they cast our galleon without being able to shoot us (the water is suddenly mounted in our holds and the boat sank without us can not kidney) just staying behind us following us ... result: we stopped playing after 2:30 of play.
Cheats there is I certify you, just look on the net there are even video presentation of the hackmenu and its functionality ...
Ahoy there!
Thanks for posting your concerns.
Rare have said fairly early on that they have a zero tolerance approach to hacking or cheating and accounts will be banned where the data shows they have been using such advantages.
In all cases we'd recommend submitting a report via Support with as much detail as possible including times and locations encountered. In this way, the teams are able to pinpoint the data and investigate thoroughly.
You can also use a couple of methods to report players in game and find recent player gamertags -
https://support.seaofthieves.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360000779227-How-to-report-a-player
Discussing encounters of this nature on the forums doesn't always lead to positive outcomes because there can be a great many other explanations for suspect incidences and conflicting opinions around this - Rare have said that the occurrence of genuine cheaters is small.
@mordrakehorror said in Article 7 - Cheating will be punished...or not !:
Many reports have been reported (by friends) and yesterday they cast our galleon without being able to shoot us (the water is suddenly mounted in our holds and the boat sank without us can not kidney) just staying behind us following us ... result: we stopped playing after 2:30 of play.
Cheats there is I certify you, just look on the net there are even video presentation of the hackmenu and its functionality ...
While I'm not trying to discredit your story, it does seem to me that this is your first encounter with someone you suspected from cheating and thus decided to come to the forums to post it. Cheaters are being dealt with, however that doesn't mean you'll never encounter them. I'm sure there are probably tools for whatever cheats out there and ofcourse they'll want to present you with a nice video so you'll pay them money to use such things. It doesn't mean however that these things are used often in the actual game.
I understand getting sunk for a reason that seems unfair is even worse than when it happens in a fair fight. However fair or unfair, the chance to sink in this game is real. To prevent too much loss be sure to hand in your treasures as often as possible. I hope you won't let one bad experience with a crew ruin the fun you can have with the game. There are much more decent pirates out there that appreciate a fair fight than those that can only win using cheats.
See you around on the seas, fair winds to you on your future voyages!
Signed,
Captain FishSt1ck
Let me first say I don't cheat and I never would cheat.
I do however know how cheat programmes work and have researched it quite a bit. I'm not going into too much detail about how and what since I dont want to give people any Ideas.
But:
A lot of stuf in this game is done serverside. Because of this you can't do any of the following things you stated:
More likely scenario:
You got in a fight, ran away, had damage (hit shallows for example) that none of you guys heard and sank. (I've seen ships go down with 1 hit to the hull because they were all too busy doing other things). You tried to defend but were outclassed by the other crew, maybe you had some lag and got hitmarkers while missing maybe they ate bananas a lot.
Don't post cheating incidents on the forums it's just not the place for it. The chances of actually encountering a cheater in a game like this is verry slim. The game isn't popular enough and because of the serverside calculations the options are limited.
Make a report, provide evidence with it, if it's a cheater he/ she will get what's coming if not you might just not be as good as you expected.
Losing is a part of the game as much as winning is.
Part of the problem is too many people falsely claiming hacks when it's not. They get killed and immediately cry foul and think the other person is hacking and probably report them. All these bogus claims can only slow down the ability to investigate the real cheats.
Try and be reasonably sure someone is hacking and not just better than you before reporting them.
I never heard of anyone cheating until the other day. A friend I made in game who plays on XBOX told me he was cruising with a player the other day who could find things easily, I don't want to go into details but according to him it worked and he was suggesting since I play on PC I should do it.
I just hope whatever the guy was using it gets caught.
@katttruewalker said in Article 7 - Cheating will be punished...or not !:
Ahoy there!
Thanks for posting your concerns.
Rare have said fairly early on that they have a zero tolerance approach to hacking or cheating and accounts will be banned where the data shows they have been using such advantages.
In all cases we'd recommend submitting a report via Support with as much detail as possible including times and locations encountered. In this way, the teams are able to pinpoint the data and investigate thoroughly.
You can also use a couple of methods to report players in game and find recent player gamertags -
https://support.seaofthieves.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360000779227-How-to-report-a-player
Discussing encounters of this nature on the forums doesn't always lead to positive outcomes because there can be a great many other explanations for suspect incidences and conflicting opinions around this - Rare have said that the occurrence of genuine cheaters is small.
People want more than a copy and past answer. How about rare acknowledge the problems and fix them instead of concentrating on putting paintings of players who look like their n.p.cs or boat sails for ONE player just because they do a game show within the sea of thieves.
@snowfire They have been acknowledging single people for a while and not just for someone doing a game show. They are all over the islands if you look for them (companion app is great for this). But honestly how often do you encounter cheaters/hackers/modders? I don't think I ever have honestly or if I did, whatever they were doing was minimal. So if the problem is very scarce then why would they do a big to do of it?
EDIT: and copy and pasting where to report a player would be what a mod should do in this case so the right steps can be taken.
@muzackmann said in Article 7 - Cheating will be punished...or not !:
@snowfire They have been acknowledging single people for a while and not just for someone doing a game show. They are all over the islands if you look for them (companion app is great for this). But honestly how often do you encounter cheaters/hackers/modders? I don't think I ever have honestly or if I did, whatever they were doing was minimal. So if the problem is very scarce then why would they do a big to do of it?
EDIT: and copy and pasting where to report a player would be what a mod should do in this case so the right steps can be taken.
How do we know that cheaters are being punished?. I'm sick of the same copy and past answer and I don't need a forum warrior trying to answer for rare.
I'm tough on rare because because I have supported them from the start, and sea of thieves is my fave game this gen, but sick of the same c**p answer.
@snowfire Do you need the cheaters strung up at the outposts for all to see (being a bit facetious here)? But again I ask you, how many times have you come across cheaters?
The mods can word it a hundred different ways, but honestly it still boils down to players reporting the offenders so they (whoever it may be) can do something about it. And most of the mods on the forum are not employee's at Rare and just care a lot about this game and its community or they wouldn't be in the position their in. Not sure what you expect them to do really.
@muzackmann said in Article 7 - Cheating will be punished...or not !:
@snowfire Do you need the cheaters strung up at the outposts for all to see (being a bit facetious here)? But again I ask you, how many times have you come across cheaters?
The mods can word it a hundred different ways, but honestly it still boils down to players reporting the offenders so they (whoever it may be) can do something about it. And most of the mods on the forum are not employee's at Rare and just care a lot about this game and its community or they wouldn't be in the position their in. Not sure what you expect them to do really.
I have come across many cheaters/hackers plus macro users and I expect as a paying user of Xbox live plus paying for the game to be protected from this c**p, so stop protecting them.
This game will will be better if people tell the devs.
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@snowfire Of course it will be better if people report those cheating. Its helps everyone that way.
It's something I've never encountered before honestly, and it is often hard to tell from forum posts whether someone was beaten by a legitimate cheater or just a better player. While I'm not trying in anyway to discredit you, these posts do come up and there isn't always someone to blame, other than bad luck or a better pvper sometimes.
I understand being angry if its happened to you that often, but I'm not protecting anyone and would report someone immediately if it happened to me as well.
@snowfire 'telling the devs' is exactly the point of sending a ticket.
The deckhands are volunteers and not employees of Rare.
They don't handle bans.
There are only so many ways they can say 'Send a Ticket' and I imagine it happens a lot.
As a lifetime PC player, let me debunk a lot of myths that Xbox console players may not know due to their closed system and this game is their first time out in the real world.
first lets get one thing out of the way. Stop calling them Hackers. Call them for what they really are. Cheaters and Cowards that downloaded the program that these talented (but wrong) hackers coded.
let me start with what @Hynieth already mentioned (without going in details like he did)
server side vs client side calculations.
Hacking is is the modification of files locally not server side.
next up is Latency Lag
If your internet doesn't have a constant connection there may be packet loss or synching issues.
so a lot of times, these issues might appear as the other player is cheating.
example: you shoot the guy 5 times in the face point blank with the shotty and doesn't die. this would be an extreme scenario where the server is telling you that the person you are shooting is right in front of you while in reality, he is 3 steps to the left (that information hasn't reached you yet)
same thing for the cannon balls, the enemy might have shot your ship and it registered on the server but the server didn't send you that information... when the server catches up it registers that you've had a hole in your ship for the past x time (but you never saw the cannon ball hit because the server never told you) but it did happen.
skill of your enemies.
just like in everything else, there is always someone that will be playing this 24/7 urinating in bottles and poopdecking in buckets. These guys develop skills that seem to mimic an autoaim hack for example. or timing enough that this person might make an impossible jump just because of the timing to the exact pixel.
examples of this can be seen quite recently where a Battlefield Dev (used to be pro player ) got banned because he was so good, then posted a video of him playing. if you google those videos you will see the crazy skill these pro players have that they can headshot someone hipfiring a pistol from across the map. You can also see the jump timing with speed runners where they time their jumps to the pixel to reach impossible places in a map or level.
next up is quantity.
contrary to popular belief, not all PC players cheat and use macros. Most of us wouldn't even know where to begin (obviously with a google search) In fact it's such a small amount of players that in 1 year of playing, you might encounter 1 maybe 2 (assuming you are playing a game where they actually care about cheating... like a lot of Korean P2W MMORPGs for example, they don't care...) I've been playing Guild Wars 2 for 6 years (since launch) and I've seen 2 cheaters.
How banning works
I don't know the details (maybe someone can reply or PM me the reason for this) but the bans don't happen when you report them. They take note and mark them for ban. and then at some point they ban everyone in 1 shot. (ban waves) I think it has something to do with preventing the players from figuring out how to bypass the banning by looking at what caused their peers to get the ban in the first place. so they just ban in chunks in waves.
that's when you see reports from the publishers/devs 50 000 accounts banned for cheating...
finally, I don't want to defend cheaters but as someone that has been playing a lifetime of PC games [myself and other PC exclusive players] can tell you that there is very little cheating that happens, and when it does respectable big name publishers deal with it swiftly and mercilessly.
If we stop and analyze the cheating reports that have been placed on these forums we find out that 99% of the time can be attributed to server lag or player skill.
@SnowfirE Please refrain from swearing, as well as engaging in arguments on the forums. Both are violations of our forum rules, and your post was edited accordingly.
Regarding hacking, players need to report any such incidences. We have a zero tolerance policy on it, and take it very seriously. We do not report or share the actions taken against others with 3rd parties, nor do we report back to the player who made the report. We do take action in cases where a player has been caught cheating, and will continue to do so.
