FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF

  • @luckydaddy0731
    Im to often out numbered in open crew as im solo and i just want to be on the same page as my crew on what we want to do.

    oos gh merch pvp forts events.. i just want a perference that way there is more likely a chance those ppl who join also wanted to do what i set as my preference. or that who you join is already doing what you selected. with the possibility that you can still get into a crew that has non of your preference. i use the word preference a lot so ppl understand its a preference not a requirement!

  • @vderickv that would be very cool! As long as the servers stay random and not have all crews of the like mind. I need the enjoyment of blowing up a ship of a crew doing some missions who weren’t paying attention. And that constant fear has to stay the same

  • @vderickv said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    @enf0rcer
    Care to tell me why some filters would not work?

    Sure while Filters can theroreitically be added there are many limitation Rare would have to overcome to do this. But a simple answer to this question is the strian on the server and the Fact that Rare had intended goal of having ship close enough to interact or at least see eachother once every 15mins. That in and of itself was a huge technical challange along with server merging. Rare is a small studio and would require alot of resources to implement this kind of system. Even thou it seem very simple thing on the surface theyre are alot of things that need to be done for it to work. Infact it took them a long time to get the server as stable as they are now. To add alot more request to the servers to do more work would negitivly impact the playablity of the game as whole. One immediate concequences would be a flood of mactmaking request as it would take longer and longer to match players into the game. I'm not saying Filters are bad as a concept as many games have them but for this game under the current circumstances is not a viable option. Maybe in the future.

  • @personalc0ffee
    I use open when i cant make a closed crew work lets make these open crews "good crews" with preferences (;
    Also if preferences became a thing it would show the new players in a way things in game they can do.
    Some players you sail up to sometimes don't know about the events this could change that..

  • @vderickv said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    Sorry but what i'm asking for or suggesting is for a fix to open crew.

    Well, that part's easy! Open the crew management menu, and set open crew to closed. There, all fixed!

    As for your filters, you can make your own using the LFG! There, also fixed!

  • @vderickv said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    @enf0rcer
    Care to tell me why some filters would not work?

    What would you like to do.
    oos
    gh
    merch
    (only if legend) athenas (again a preference not a guarentee)

    Do you want teammates with a mic
    Yes
    no

    Server preference
    PVP
    PVE
    Both
    (im not for separating servers based on pvp/pve but only based off search preferences of players) (could still kill anyone sink anyone ext)

    Hours estimated to be on the server preference
    0-1
    2-3
    4-5

    Bilge rat event preference.

    again all of these i see no issue bringing into the game. prove me wrong.

    EDIT: You know the preference that would get used the most is bilge rat adventure and i'm sure it would make it 10x easier with that preference having most ppl who join looking to do the event. Right now good luck even finding a competent crew let alone find someone willing to do the event.

    I can see how having search preferences based on the activities you want to do might be helpful, but your primary gripe in this thread seems to be about finding 'good' or 'competent' crews and I see nothing here that would help with that.

    So how would you define what a 'good' or 'competent' player is and how would you translate that into search criteria? And how would you prevent players who don't meet your definition of the criteria from saying they do?

  • @vderickv
    "i cant even join a galleon to do the event let alone find a competent crew who will even play. "

    Yes you can. You just refuse to put in any effort on your part by refusing to use the excellent tools anyone else uses.
    Why would anyone want to play with someone like that?

  • Well discord is not just for Legends and veterans, there are also a lot of new players there asking for help.
    Just because people organize through "forums" like discord, doesn't mean that the whole idea is anti open crews. Its still open crews, but you have a better chance to talk to people and solve problems before forming a crew, or fixing problems you had after the session.

  • @vderickv Ahoy !! it's a problem reccurent the matchmaking ... I already mentioned the problem by asking when is RARE will decide to make a matchmaking by region so that everyone understands. Children 12/13 years (that I greet :)) are not necessarily bilingual. These filters would strengthen communication. We could only have the choice to filter a minimum of our future crew and our desires ... (yes I know the answer to lfg etc etc)

  • "i say dont leave.they leave. i drop anchor when i get back and tell them the plan i say don't lift the anchor they start lifting it. i say if yall leave ima sabotage the ship since yall are sabotaging my galleon. and so i had no choice to keg the ship sink it w/ all my kegs and supplies and leave the game in attempt to find an actually competent crew."

    Have y'all considered that they just had a different plan for what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it? Some folks just want to get right to the fun stuff, run a few voyages that don't require all the prep-work and log off after an hour. If there's three of them and one of you, then it's now 'their' ship and it's a bit childish to blow it up in a rage because you can't have your way.

    I get that it's frustrating if you had your own plans, but that's the nature of the open crew. Unless you've organised your plans with people beforehand, you need to accept that random people may have their own ideas for how they want to spend their time.

  • @vderickv
    So what is it now what you want?
    Filters to get a common goal for open crew?
    Or "good" teammates? Which is all relative because in your example with the 3 "noobs", 3 out of 4 players in that crew would call the player who kegged their own boat a noob or griefer.
    From this entire thread I still have no idea what it is you're looking for.

    Open crew is exactly what it says, an open crew where everybody can join. That involves the randomness of people. Even with filters, you would still get random people on your ship. So adding filters wouldn't solve the issue you have with new or inexperienced players.

    If you don't want randoms and have a solid crew, use any of the LFG options.

    From everything in this thread, all I can understand is that you want to make Open Crews the same like Private Crews.

  • I don't see the point in the development team spending time and resources on changing this when there are already other solutions in place, whether they be third party or not.

    Personally I'd rather them focus their time on fixing bugs and making new content.

  • @vderickv said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    Need search preferences with out it the game is ruined.

    No it's not, plenty (if not most) people play in groups and don't use open crew.

    I'v been in a solo galleon open crew tryin to find a competent crew for over a half hr and hardly anyone has joined let alone been competent.

    Maybe lots of people have you on their blacklist so you won't be grouped with them? I'd do it after reading this story.

    we need level based search prefrences. we need event based search preferences. this game will die off otherwise.

    Honestly, I just need air to breethe a place to sleep and food to eat water to drink.
    You might WANT a level based search pref but it's not needed in the slightest and since WE includes me you sir don't speak for me.

    end rant/suggestion.
    [Mod edited]

    This is the way it went im solo in a galleon sittin at a fort getting kegs and supplies. 3 [mod edited] join absolutely no cloths just [Mod edited] sailors.

    Is there something wrong with being new? You make it sound like it's a crime.

    i say dont leave.they leave. i drop anchor when i get back and tell them the plan i say don't lift the anchor they start lifting it. i say if yall leave ima sabotage the ship since yall are sabotaging my galleon. and so i had no choice to keg the ship sink it w/ all my kegs and supplies and leave the game in attempt to find an actually competent crew. thanks rare this open crew [Mod edited] wont ever work the way it is.

    So let met get this straight, you've been a jerk and now you complain about people in random crews want to sail a ship but you didn't let them?

    If you're trying to prove something here it's that you're one to block so we don't get grouped with you.

  • @vderickv said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    i had no choice to keg the ship sink it w/ all my kegs and supplies and leave the game in attempt to find an actually competent crew.

    Of course you had a choice. You could have chosen not to keg the ship. You could have chosen to simply log off to try and find another crew more suited to you. But instead you chose to sink the ship because they didn't want to do the same thing you did.

    this open crew [Mod edited] wont ever work the way it is.

    Except it is working the way it is, just not the way you want it to, which is fair enough, everyone has their own opinion. But you haven't said how you'd like it to work apropos to finding you a 'competent' crew beyond having level based search preferences. But that fails to address the following issues:

    1. Level is not so much an indicator of competence, friendliness, communication and teamwork as it is time sunk into the game. Some of the best people I've sailed with are at lower levels simply because they don't have loads of time free to play the game, while I've played with plenty of apparently incompetent or uncooperative**, demanding, obnoxious or more frequently, simply uncommunicative legends or players at higher levels.

    ** I say 'apparently' because I think more often than not what each of us deems incompetent or uncooperative behaviour is often just other players wanting to do something different to us, or playing in a different style.

    1. If you could filter by levels you'll just have everyone checking the box for the highest possible category in the hope of getting higher level voyages. I mean, why would anyone say they specifically want to voyage with players at levels 25-30 for example? And given it's unlikely that the availability of high level players will match demand, any unmatched spaces will either go unfilled or you'll be matched with players at lower levels anyway. Either way, due to point 1, it's still pure chance whether you'll be matched with players suited to your play-style and personal temperament.

    As for using tools like the Xbox LFG tool or Discord, yes they can be a hassle at first, and you might not get exactly the people you want in the first 30 mins of using them, but over time you're much more likely to meet like-minded pirates who you can then add to your friends list. That's what I did and now I regularly sail with a bunch of fine reprobates I probably wouldn't have on my FL otherwise. :)

  • @vderickv
    The game isn't dying for this mate xD

    Your solution, go solo on a sloop, and then try to discuss and form alliance with other crews. I'm pretty sure you can find for example some other solo sloop waiting to meet nice and good matey to play with. Then you could find some players you'd like to play with in bigger crews on brigantine and galleon.

    You have to find your teammates on your own, to me it's truely part of the game :)

  • Ahoy @vderickv!

    The title of this topic, the tone of your posts and the added cursing makes me think you're posting out of frustration over a bad experience. The open crew feature doesn't need fixing as it is working as intended and it definitely won't be a reason for the game to die off.

    I've been playing since release and I've been using the open crew option exclusively from the start as none of my friends played the game (it was also the only option available). As with any game grouping up with random people is always hit or miss, as was also my experience with the open crew option. However all the crewmembers that I had a certain connection with I added to my friendslist and the ones I didn't I just forgot soon after. After a while I built up a list of friendly crewmates which required me to use the open crew options less.

    I recon it's the same for most people, the open crew is a nice and fast way to find some players if you're new to the game or if you really need to fill in that last spot. However chances of getting amazing and experienced players from an open crew are very very slim. People that have been playing for a while will usually have enough people on their friendslist to find their 1-3 open spots.

    Although I can see the use of some of the communication related matchmaking (for language and mic/no mic), I don't think I can agree on the others because that will kill the exploration part for new players. By offering a player very narrow "preferences" you almost state that you have to chose one or the other, it also removes the interaction with the crew to figure out what you want to do in a natural way.

    I think your expectance of what kind of players the Open Crew should be supplying you with is unrealistic though. Adding matchmaking preference options won't improve the quality of players you get as the player pool for open crews probably mostly consist out of new players that don't have people to play with or trolls that nobody wants to play with.

    Just my 2c,

    Signed,

    Captain FishSt1ck

  • If you are running into crews that you deem "not competent" have you ever considered sireing them and helping them get better? Giving them tips and tricks? Helping them be a better pirate and bestow some wisdom on them. Then going forward you just helped people and added me "competent" players to the game. Win win.

  • Let me say that Monster Hunter World has this exact kind of set up in it and you are DEFINITELY not guaranteed any kind of quality. It's still a gamble at best.

  • @alpaca-debacle said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    "i say dont leave.they leave. i drop anchor when i get back and tell them the plan i say don't lift the anchor they start lifting it. i say if yall leave ima sabotage the ship since yall are sabotaging my galleon. and so i had no choice to keg the ship sink it w/ all my kegs and supplies and leave the game in attempt to find an actually competent crew."

    Have y'all considered that they just had a different plan for what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it? Some folks just want to get right to the fun stuff, run a few voyages that don't require all the prep-work and log off after an hour. If there's three of them and one of you, then it's now 'their' ship and it's a bit childish to blow it up in a rage because you can't have your way.

    I get that it's frustrating if you had your own plans, but that's the nature of the open crew. Unless you've organised your plans with people beforehand, you need to accept that random people may have their own ideas for how they want to spend their time.

    Sorry no. i spent a half hr stocking that ship by myself with supplies and kegs and those 3 randoms who didn't talk at all deserved it 100% your idea of they just want to get on and play. well to bad so sad careful who you join.
    Btw when i kegged the ship everyone left the game. I'm not about to leave the game while the ship is stocked by me only. those randoms don't deserve that luxury! i told them they were warned and they ignore it that's their problem.

  • @crash4654
    I would say i actually like monster hunters layout tbh. Not perfect but much better then this imo.

  • @ever-reddy said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    @vderickv said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    @enf0rcer
    Care to tell me why some filters would not work?

    What would you like to do.
    oos
    gh
    merch
    (only if legend) athenas (again a preference not a guarentee)

    Do you want teammates with a mic
    Yes
    no

    Server preference
    PVP
    PVE
    Both
    (im not for separating servers based on pvp/pve but only based off search preferences of players) (could still kill anyone sink anyone ext)

    Hours estimated to be on the server preference
    0-1
    2-3
    4-5

    Bilge rat event preference.

    again all of these i see no issue bringing into the game. prove me wrong.

    EDIT: You know the preference that would get used the most is bilge rat adventure and i'm sure it would make it 10x easier with that preference having most ppl who join looking to do the event. Right now good luck even finding a competent crew let alone find someone willing to do the event.

    I can see how having search preferences based on the activities you want to do might be helpful, but your primary gripe in this thread seems to be about finding 'good' or 'competent' crews and I see nothing here that would help with that.

    So how would you define what a 'good' or 'competent' player is and how would you translate that into search criteria? And how would you prevent players who don't meet your definition of the criteria from saying they do?

    Part of being a competent person/crew is being on the same page on what we're doing.

    The issue i experienced in this post. May not have even happen with preferences.
    I would have had it set to the event preferencek.
    The noobs who joined were sailors with no clothes and probably didn't even know about the event let alone have mics or communicate with me.

    Even if the players i find arn't "good" as long as we are all on the same page for what we are doing. I would never have had to sabotage my crew.

  • @fishst1ck Have you tried the Xbox "looking for group" option? You can set tags there. There might be a pc equivilant.

  • @fishst1ck
    You're right i do have some passionate rage towards this topic because i use open crew when everyone on my fl is offline and have far more negative experiences then possitive. So here we are..

    I have also been playing since release and used it since release.

    Even when you have tons of sot friends online (i do) most are already in full lobbies by the time i'm home.

    I don't see how any preference removes exploration at all. it would only broaden it. You say it would be narrow preferences separating people but that's not what a preference is it just helps merge people into like minded groups not higher skill based groups. That makes it broad not narrow. and it would only help server merging into more cooperative groups instead of just completely random crew intentions where 1 wants oos 1 wants merch 1 wants gh and 1 wants to do skull forts. This is how sabotage happens.... how limited the preferences are i really don't care that's up to rare.

  • @xenom993
    The game may not be dying yet but open crew sure will discourage most players from playing the way it currently is. i'm a legend who plays many hours of sot a day and open crew being trash makes it so i don't play sometimes even when i want to (because no one is on and open crew is a waste of time)

    Maybe i should have made the title fix open crew or watch it die.

  • @vderickv said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    Even if the players i find arn't "good" as long as we are all on the same page for what we are doing. I would never have had to sabotage my crew.

    Correction: You never should have sabotaged your crew in the 1st place. All you had to actually do was leave the game - all your vindictive behavior gets you are verified reports against your profile that the Xbox Live Enforcement Team then uses to adjust the matchmaking so that you're stuck only finding other bad players like yourself.

    Did you not know that was a thing? It absolutely is - and you brought it upon yourself because you obviously can't control your emotions, quickly lash out at others, and steadfastly refuse to listen to good advice by numerous people who are only trying to be friendly and helpful.

    You don't have to listen to their advice, if that's your perogative, but I virtually guarantee you that it will not fix YOUR issue, because it is indelibly only your issue, and not an issue for anyone else. Your push to get the devs to change things, while admirable, will not work, simply because as they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

  • @ever-reddy said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    @vderickv said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    i had no choice to keg the ship sink it w/ all my kegs and supplies and leave the game in attempt to find an actually competent crew.

    Of course you had a choice. You could have chosen not to keg the ship. You could have chosen to simply log off to try and find another crew more suited to you. But instead you chose to sink the ship because they didn't want to do the same thing you did.

    this open crew [Mod edited] wont ever work the way it is.

    Except it is working the way it is, just not the way you want it to, which is fair enough, everyone has their own opinion. But you haven't said how you'd like it to work apropos to finding you a 'competent' crew beyond having level based search preferences. But that fails to address the following issues:

    1. Level is not so much an indicator of competence, friendliness, communication and teamwork as it is time sunk into the game. Some of the best people I've sailed with are at lower levels simply because they don't have loads of time free to play the game, while I've played with plenty of apparently incompetent or uncooperative**, demanding, obnoxious or more frequently, simply uncommunicative legends or players at higher levels.

    ** I say 'apparently' because I think more often than not what each of us deems incompetent or uncooperative behaviour is often just other players wanting to do something different to us, or playing in a different style.

    1. If you could filter by levels you'll just have everyone checking the box for the highest possible category in the hope of getting higher level voyages. I mean, why would anyone say they specifically want to voyage with players at levels 25-30 for example? And given it's unlikely that the availability of high level players will match demand, any unmatched spaces will either go unfilled or you'll be matched with players at lower levels anyway. Either way, due to point 1, it's still pure chance whether you'll be matched with players suited to your play-style and personal temperament.

    As for using tools like the Xbox LFG tool or Discord, yes they can be a hassle at first, and you might not get exactly the people you want in the first 30 mins of using them, but over time you're much more likely to meet like-minded pirates who you can then add to your friends list. That's what I did and now I regularly sail with a bunch of fine reprobates I probably wouldn't have on my FL otherwise. :)

    I spent the time to get the supplies i have the right to send them to Davy Jones Locker Bud.

    I never asked for level based preferences..
    Read a little more closely next time.
    i asked for
    what you would like to do
    oos
    merch
    gh
    forts ext...
    and then i added athena option to that list that would only be available for legends (the only lvl based anything i said)

    Yes i have the preferences are what fix this and get you maybe not a fully competent crew but a more competent crew with everyone being more on the same page.

    Again i'm not asking for filter by level...

    I honestly don't like discord lfg streamer fan boy style matchmaking. Id rather just not play and that's what i have been doing.

  • I spent the time to get the supplies i have the right to send them to Davy Jones Locker Bud.

    I honestly don't like discord lfg streamer fan boy style matchmaking. Id rather just not play and that's what i have been doing.

    Wrong yet again - you never have the right to ruin the fun of the game for others. Rather than get along with them or use the tools at your disposal provided to you to either leave the game or prevent them from joining in the 1st place, you are actively choosing to sabotage them, and yourself - nobody wins.

    Also, it doesn't matter whether you like what's in place or not; it only matters whether what's in place actually works or not, and everybody here, besides yourself, agrees that it does (in nearly 100 posts, I might add). I digress though, it sounds like you've already made your choice to not play, and that's fine - just stop trying to waste our time in a vain attempt at "winning" something that you can't win. Due to your decision though, any further responses will only be seen as trolling in my eyes.

    Have a nice day! 😁

  • @galactic-geek said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    @vderickv said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    Even if the players i find arn't "good" as long as we are all on the same page for what we are doing. I would never have had to sabotage my crew.

    Correction: You never should have sabotaged your crew in the 1st place. All you had to actually do was leave the game - all your vindictive behavior gets you are verified reports against your profile that the Xbox Live Enforcement Team then uses to adjust the matchmaking so that you're stuck only finding other bad players like yourself.

    Did you not know that was a thing? It absolutely is - and you brought it upon yourself because you obviously can't control your emotions, quickly lash out at others, and steadfastly refuse to listen to good advice by numerous people who are only trying to be friendly and helpful.

    You don't have to listen to their advice, if that's your perogative, but I virtually guarantee you that it will not fix YOUR issue, because it is indelibly only your issue, and not an issue for anyone else. Your push to get the devs to change things, while admirable, will not work, simply because as they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

    Correction: i had every right those noobs didn't put 1 thing on the ship. all they did was join the game on a stocked ship and just lifted anchor and took off. i tried talking to them with no response so i shut that down.. I would do it again. My supplies my time my fun to blow it all up.

    I don't care about finding players that are like me as most would probably be better then you.. I am already like that on xbox I get new reports all the time wont change a thing because i play competitive games. Some games reports happen every game. I could care less. Its not like i have ever been banned. 12 yrs straight xbox membership going strong rofl.
    If its a matchmaking thing eh idc i'v have never noticed anyway.

    I can virtually guarantee if preferences were set to event and the same thing happen and those guys joined me a totally different outcome would have played out. we can agree to disagree on this one.

  • @Deckhands Can we please lock this thread now? It's getting nobody anywhere. The seahorse is long dead.

  • @galactic-geek said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    I spent the time to get the supplies i have the right to send them to Davy Jones Locker Bud.

    I honestly don't like discord lfg streamer fan boy style matchmaking. Id rather just not play and that's what i have been doing.

    Wrong yet again - you never have the right to ruin the fun of the game for others. Rather than get along with them or use the tools at your disposal provided to you to either leave the game or prevent them from joining in the 1st place, you are actively choosing to sabotage them, and yourself - nobody wins.

    Also, it doesn't matter whether you like what's in place or not; it only matters whether what's in place actually works or not, and everybody here, besides yourself, agrees that it does (in nearly 100 posts, I might add). I digress though, it sounds like you've already made your choice to not play, and that's fine - just stop trying to waste our time in a vain attempt at "winning" something that you can't win. Due to your decision though, any further responses will only be seen as trolling in my eyes.

    Have a nice day! 😁

    Correction: they sabotaged my ship first and i had every right to do that. everyone left the game after so we all "won" the sabotage game. they sabotaged my almost full supplied galleon and i sabotaged them tried to steal it from me. i don't see how you don't understand this.
    EDIT: (let me add i also had an athena on the table too so they sabotaged that as well i obv didn't want to leave or keg them i felt i had no choice as i am not about to giving those supplies to a bunch of noobs who ruined the experience for me)

    I'm only "not playing" during the times my friends are offline. and that's 100% because open crew needs reworked.

    What is in place hardly works when as quoted by a majority of [Mod edited] in here "open crew sucks" "use closed crew for a good crew"

    Yet you have nothing to say to change that open crew experience or to make the good experiences in open crew happen more often?

    [Mod edited]!

    Btw i have had a few people add me on xbox saying they agree with me on this open crew topic. so you saying 100% agree with you is false.
    They just don't want in on this toxic argument you keep bringing in because of this discord lfg talk. which is irrelevant in this post as i have already stated it should be an in game mechanic and all you fan boys keep suggesting the same thing making this thread toxic. not my fault.

  • @galactic-geek said in FIX OPEN CREW OR WATCH THE GAME DIE OFF:

    @Deckhands Can we please lock this thread now? It's getting nobody anywhere. The seahorse is long dead.

    Don't lock this thread just because its not suiting this guys wants!
    Open crew needs rework!
    Everyone i have talked to ingame about this that i know or who has sot that i know in person agrees so sorry those players arn't posting on this thread right now. lol

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