@zombielovers420 pl/a10/avid fort hopper for measure. Ive never seen a hacker or anything suspect.
Wheres the proof?
PC hackers
@squaz05 we agree then. Unfortunately you are right. The inequality (among other issues you already stated) will be some of the many reasons SOT will be become an empty ocean... perhaps they will do more to resolve these issues before it's to late.
@cawolves said in PC hackers:
@squaz05 we agree then. Unfortunately you are right. The inequality (among other issues you already stated) will be some of the many reasons SOT will be become an empty ocean... perhaps they will do more to resolve these issues before it's to late.
as long as it's not optional/removal of crossplay. I'm up to try any solution they come up with,
unless they release numbers hypothetically describing that the issue is so small it's not worth changing anything.I have an infection in my toe developed from a broken nail. It's spread to the point that it's clearly getting worse. I could apply medicine that will take time to heal the infection. I could even take the wrong antibiotic and it would require more time as I find the right antibiotic to heal the infection. During this wait I can apply various measures including to keep the area clean and dry and wrapped.
Or I could cut off my toe.
That is what even the option of disabling crossplay is. It's allowing the Dr the option to cut off the toe and maybe reattach it later once the infection clears. When all that is really needed is some medicine.
So is there a fluidity of motion and camera speed advantage to using KB+M versus controller? Yea, sure. Is there a universal issue with cheaters who use hacks... well it's a very small % of a very small PC population according to Rare's various commentaries, data points, and population reports - and they are dealt with case per case and in sweeping ban hammerings, but yes cheaters do exist. Is there issue with macro speeds? Honestly, from what I've seen and I don't see any other displays posted here .... no the input response is slowed down by the game itself to balance human inputs versus macro driven ones insofar as button repeats/turbo controllers/item swaps/jumping is concerned.
Overall there are issues, measurable differences, but overall it's hardly destroying the game. These issues do deserve correction on behalf of the development team.
But as noted above.. no need to cut off the toe... instead let's find the medicine.
Outcry to do otherwise is little more than juvenile, short sighted and self serving haters with limited vision based on immediate desires screaming about sharing space they feel is theirs, even if it's meant to be communual. Nothing else.
Heck, even the opening tone of the original post informs us of this common truth. There is nothing in the post that implies anyone was even ON PC let alone hacking. Instead, as I'm sure investigators to the hack report, that was likely never even filed in the first place, and likely lacked any evidence (clips/recordings) if reported will say, the most any of us are reading here are incidents of poor latency, server desync which Rare very vocally remarks is an issue, and similar.
@zombielovers420 Rare has a zero tolerance policy towards hacking. They’ve banned a number of people who were caught hacking the game. It’s ridiculous to imply you will “hold Rare responsible” for you and your friends getting whooped by other players. Most of the things you claimed happened to you aren’t even possible. Nobody can “freeze” you or force you off the server.
@lizalaroo said in PC hackers:
@zombielovers420 Me Matey....
If you have evidence that another was using a cheat or an exploit in Sea of Thieves, please log a ticket with our Player Support Team. Provide them with as much information as possible with what was happening, their gamertags (If you catch them) and any video evidence you might have, they will then open an investigation on this issue, although your problem also might be due to a connection issue.
Also, maybe someone could clarify how you know whether a pirate is using xbox over pc as I really can't tell. :)
Thank you!
Its pretty easy to tell really...
They text chat
You can view their profile - it will break down which games they play
They make a comment on their ping or fps, something an xboxer cant see
They state that they are on PC
They can turn and block after 1 stab to the back. Controller sensitivity 10 cant do this
The way they move in general- if someone does something that you know a controller cant, its a dead giveaway.There's many ways to tell, its kinda hard NOT to notice if you know what you're looking for.
edit: just re-read your post, you said how to tell if they are using xbox, and i answered for PC.
Thats an easy one too,
They are worse at long range combat
They are worse at close range combat
They cannot 360 noscope
They cant even 180 noscope
(unless they are falling off a ledge)
They use the wheel alot coz no text support
They rarely talk, because they're usually in party chat,cant easily switch between party/game chat, and cant hear both channels simultaneously, while PC can
They generally move like a PC player, but with gimped controlsThere's easily more for either side, but thats it for now :)
I have to say there’s a huge exaggeration about PC hackers, maybe even half of the hacking accusations are false, I’m saying this even that I'm a Xbox player. Even I have been called hacker once, I was wiping an alliance at a fort and then one of these sloops came back, I board them and then this guy (maybe he even was an adult) said screaming on game chat “Oh you have god mode, that’s why!” after he couldn’t kill me because of his skill’s inferiority.
@cawolves Here's a thought🙂....... Limit PC players to no more than 50% of a ships capacity. 1pc player per sloop, one per brigantine, and 2 per galleon max. This could be temporary until RARE could find a more "just"solution.
@pomalotacusmk3 Cheers, I just meant whilst playing :D. I don’t really have time to check all that while i’m 1v1 lol 😆 do you play pc?
@crimsonraziel Did you not see the word "temporary"? If an idea to balance the playing field puts you in a fit of rage then you might want to seek help for that. As of now RARE has no answer concerning balancing the play between pc and console. They claimed the discrepancy was a minimal plus 3% in the pc's favor which to me is wishful thinking on their part. What I do know is that in the 2000 or so hours that I've played this game is that 1 or 2 good pc players mixed with console players while manning a galleon can be overcome by a competent crew of console players. I have only faced one crew (that I know of) in all of those hours that had 4 pc players and the accumulative advantages were unstoppable. We hit them with everything we had both broadsides & boarding but the fighting advantages of the pc players forced us into a defensive quarter guard by our 3rd pass. For the first time in all those hours we've played I heard my crew say "We need to move on". Oh sure, we've been sunk in battle before, ambushed, barreled, etc but not once did we ever feel we needed to move on. Revenge, redemption and a reckoning were always in order. I personally don't mind the crossplay as is for coming across another galleon with 4 good pc players is a RARE occurrence (pun intended).😀 The problem I feel is more in the 1 vs 1 area of the game where smaller crews are at greater risk of encountering multiple pc gamers during a voyage. RARE needs to figure something out. Concerning you not being able to play with your friends, Do you not have console gaming friends also? Do you "need" a "loaded" crew to succeed at this game? Are you one of "those" guys that only teams up with pc players? If so, you've missed the boat on what cross platform is all about.🙂 Peace ✌
I doubt they were hacking. Could have been a connection issue or server lag. I am willing to bet that the number of people hacking are probably extremely low. Also, to be fair, you can't even be sure they were on PC.
As far as the PC advantage, I will say that as a PC player, there is probably an advantage. Even at the highest sensitivity, a console player can't turn as fast as a PC player, and aiming with a controller is generally more difficult for most. With that being said, someone who has played with a controller for years may easily give a PC player a run for their money. Though I will concede that the advantage may exist, the vast population on the sea are on console, so if you're losing more fights than you're winning, cross-platform is not your issue.
Sidenote: Sailing with a boat stocked with 16 hours of loot is always a major risk whether the other boats on the server are PC or not.
Yup there should be optional crossplatform play, the only one denying the advantage are the pc players, they move like neo in the matrix. The point were it really get's annoying when they start yelling that you suck, it's like playing tennis vs someone with no arms telling them they suck, yes, that how bad the difference is here, watch youtube.
@bern-dimall said in PC hackers:
@crimsonraziel Did you not see the word "temporary"? If an idea to balance the playing field puts you in a fit of rage then you might want to seek help for that. As of now RARE has no answer concerning balancing the play between pc and console. They claimed the discrepancy was a minimal plus 3% in the pc's favor which to me is wishful thinking on their part. What I do know is that in the 2000 or so hours that I've played this game is that 1 or 2 good pc players mixed with console players while manning a galleon can be overcome by a competent crew of console players. I have only faced one crew (that I know of) in all of those hours that had 4 pc players and the accumulative advantages were unstoppable. We hit them with everything we had both broadsides & boarding but the fighting advantages of the pc players forced us into a defensive quarter guard by our 3rd pass. For the first time in all those hours we've played I heard my crew say "We need to move on". Oh sure, we've been sunk in battle before, ambushed, barreled, etc but not once did we ever feel we needed to move on. Revenge, redemption and a reckoning were always in order. I personally don't mind the crossplay as is for coming across another galleon with 4 good pc players is a RARE occurrence (pun intended).😀 The problem I feel is more in the 1 vs 1 area of the game where smaller crews are at greater risk of encountering multiple pc gamers during a voyage. RARE needs to figure something out. Concerning you not being able to play with your friends, Do you not have console gaming friends also? Do you "need" a "loaded" crew to succeed at this game? Are you one of "those" guys that only teams up with pc players? If so, you've missed the boat on what cross platform is all about.🙂 Peace ✌
Are you one of "those" passive aggressive guys that fill their post up with subliminal insults and think putting "peace" and the end makes it "friendly"?
I'm one of "those" guys that are on a sloop in most cases and couldn't play with half of his friends anymore until he bought a xbox because they don't play on xbox, if your temporary "solution" becomes real.
On a side note, a temporary bad solution is still a bad solution. Consider "bad" an euphemism.
@crimsonraziel Hey man, there was nothing "subliminal" about the questions I posed to you. If the shoe fits, wear it! As of now my "idea" is better than RARE's😀😜😀.I have another temporary idea you probably won't like either but it would help. Remove hip fire all together! This would eliminate the "spin jump hip fire to the top of the head as they're flying by"maneuver from the pc'ers repertoire thus making their aerial acrobatics less effective.
@lobane said in PC hackers:
@crimsonraziel said in PC hackers:
@bern-dimall said in PC hackers:
@crimsonraziel Did you not see the word "temporary"? If an idea to balance the playing field puts you in a fit of rage then you might want to seek help for that. As of now RARE has no answer concerning balancing the play between pc and console. They claimed the discrepancy was a minimal plus 3% in the pc's favor which to me is wishful thinking on their part. What I do know is that in the 2000 or so hours that I've played this game is that 1 or 2 good pc players mixed with console players while manning a galleon can be overcome by a competent crew of console players. I have only faced one crew (that I know of) in all of those hours that had 4 pc players and the accumulative advantages were unstoppable. We hit them with everything we had both broadsides & boarding but the fighting advantages of the pc players forced us into a defensive quarter guard by our 3rd pass. For the first time in all those hours we've played I heard my crew say "We need to move on". Oh sure, we've been sunk in battle before, ambushed, barreled, etc but not once did we ever feel we needed to move on. Revenge, redemption and a reckoning were always in order. I personally don't mind the crossplay as is for coming across another galleon with 4 good pc players is a RARE occurrence (pun intended).😀 The problem I feel is more in the 1 vs 1 area of the game where smaller crews are at greater risk of encountering multiple pc gamers during a voyage. RARE needs to figure something out. Concerning you not being able to play with your friends, Do you not have console gaming friends also? Do you "need" a "loaded" crew to succeed at this game? Are you one of "those" guys that only teams up with pc players? If so, you've missed the boat on what cross platform is all about.🙂 Peace ✌
Are you one of "those" passive aggressive guys that fill their post up with subliminal insults and think putting "peace" and the end makes it "friendly"?
I'm one of "those" guys that are on a sloop in most cases and couldn't play with half of his friends anymore until he bought a xbox because they don't play on xbox, if your temporary "solution" becomes real.
On a side note, a temporary bad solution is still a bad solution. Consider "bad" an euphemism.
Removing forced cross-play would not prevent you from playing with your console friends. That's the whole idea behind the ORIGINAL concept cross-play. It allows people who want to play together across platforms to do exactly that. That is IF they choose to. The only reason the removal of forced cross play would impact you is if your friends on console absolutely refuse to play with you on PC. While I doubt that would happen, if you're even concerned about your own friends OPTING not to play with you then that should clue you in as to exactly how serious an issue this is to them.
tlooking at these forums, Xbox players would prefer to make new friends than to play with a old PC friend.
looking at thes forums it sounds more like
"make optional crossplay so I can turn it off immediately and tell all my friends to turn it off immediately cuz we don't want to play with the PC hackers"The idea of crossplay is not the choice to play with different platforms, it's the ABILITY to play with different platforms.
Yes the M/K on PC is a problem, but the solution is not to optional (AKA remove) crossplay. it's a bandaid solution until your Xbox gets K/M support... what are you doing to do then? demand another optional crossplay controller only servers?
so if i am to look at these forums and see what you guys are demanding
you want PVE servers and PVP servers and PC servers and Xbox servers and Crossplay sesrvers and Controller servers and K/M servers... just for fun, lets make a list of servers you guys are asking.
Right now the Open Matchmaking does its initial filtering using Ping and Region to match people of similar latency and region. (usually, NA and UK are rarely matched together)
now lets start splitting the population even morePC - PVE
PC - PVP
Crossplay PVE
Crossplay PVP
Xbox PVE Controllers only
Xbox PVP Controllers only
Xbox PVE K/M
Xbox PVP K/Mnow since FPS matters should we also make a Xbox and PC servers with Latency Caps?
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 30FPS cap
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 60 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
[...] and so on [...]??If you think this is ridiculous and makes no sense then you really arn't vouching crossplay optional because you want a level playing field and instead you just don't want to play with the PC crowd for other reasons....
@Bern-Dimall They claimed the discrepancy was a minimal plus 3% in the pc's favor which to me is wishful thinking on their part.
Or they're right and have data to support it and your refusing to accept fact versus self supporting fiction. I'd say this to anyone making this statement. Even in my own experiences, the issue isn't nearly as over the top as most claimants state. Let's not even factor in potential skill and team work gaps when dealing 'with a PC crew'. It's at the point where if someone on a PC outplays another player it's purely hardware advantage. No one ever considers how despite all experiences the end result just might have been the same, a whopping, regardless of hardware.
"make optional crossplay so I can turn it off immediately and tell all my friends to turn it off immediately cuz we don't want to play with the PC hackers"
Your right, of course, and that's the issue. It's never been about "options" that's a lie, a manipulation of disguised intent at the very least, to be sure.
The idea of crossplay is not the choice to play with different platforms, it's the ABILITY to play with different platforms.
But Daaaaaaaddy, I don't Waaaaaaanna play on PC so noooo one else should be allowed tooooooo! To wit I say, get over it. There's more than Rare involved in this subject, this is a MS business choice that frankly, shall stand for a good while to come. But people don't want to hear it. They appreciate thinking their glorious little community is perfect and should never be intruded upon by "icky PC users".... all while plugging their ears to the idea that the Xbox community has been on the verge of being spun right out the door and forgotten about since 2013.
Yes the M/K on PC is a problem, but the solution is not to optional (AKA remove) crossplay. it's a bandaid solution until your Xbox gets K/M support... what are you doing to do then? demand another optional crossplay controller only servers?
Actually that's exactly what they'll ask for, but it'll be less pronounced because they won't have the big scary hardware differences to hide behind. It's easy to comment when discussing top of the line PC specs and player capability under the pretense of the best specs out there versus say... your potato of a machine that can barely load up the splash screen and runs at 10 fps on cursed. They don't care that everything is mitigated by soft stops and the only benefit to the console really is FPS and fluidity of motion... it's something they can't adapt too so it's clearly the games fault. And there can be literally no fix to this excepting to kick the neighbors out. Which CAN'T happen, literally they CANNOT. Because a selling point for the game was that you can play openly cross platform from launch. Changing that invalidates launch purchases and opens a legal can of worms that simply won't be stepped over.
so if i am to look at these forums and see what you guys are demanding
you want PVE servers and PVP servers and PC servers and Xbox servers and Crossplay sesrvers and Controller servers and K/M servers... just for fun, lets make a list of servers you guys are asking.
Right now the Open Matchmaking does its initial filtering using Ping and Region to match people of similar latency and region. (usually, NA and UK are rarely matched together)
now lets start splitting the population even morePC - PVE
PC - PVP
Crossplay PVE
Crossplay PVP
Xbox PVE Controllers only
Xbox PVP Controllers only
Xbox PVE K/M
Xbox PVP K/Mnow since FPS matters should we also make a Xbox and PC servers with Latency Caps?
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 30FPS cap
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 60 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
[...] and so on [...]??Yup.
If you think this is ridiculous and makes no sense then you really arn't vouching crossplay optional because you want a level playing field and instead you just don't want to play with the PC crowd for other reasons....
They won't admit it. It's like trying to get an alcoholic to realize overnight and without structure or motive to accept maybe over-drinking is bad and they shouldn't drive during it either.... They'll just keep on keeping on until the denial finally catches up with them. But in this case there is no catching up. The perception will eternally outweigh the truth. The idea of an immediate segregation will eternally remain easier than accepting that A) It's not as bad as players like to insist. B) It's also situational and player specific factors, to include skill, weigh much more heavily than many of the other factors in alot of situations, not all but many. C) Its pretty easy to take a top end PC specs and dream hardware and compare it to a console with controller and see differences and apply the disparity universally.
Truth be told... fluidity of motion is an issue and it deserves more attention. But clearly Rare's data and fact driven data points aren't showcasing that it is a dynamic NOW issue despite the legion of cry babies insisting otherwise.
edited for a type or two and a couple of grammatical points*
Just remove keyboard & mouse support & force all pc players to use controllers!
That is no different than what the pc players are saying with 'wait until xbox gets kb+m support.You lot wouldn't like it if you were FORCED to use a control method that isn't your primary one. Just the same as we don't. We want to continue to use our controllers.
Now as you are all aware it is not possible to balance kb+m vs controller, it just isn't. It has been a problem for years, but no one has managed to solve it.
So if you don't want optional crossplay, what do you pc players recommend? What ideas have you got to solve the disparity that hasn't been tried before & failed?
@lobane said in PC hackers:
@squaz05 said in PC hackers:
@lobane said in PC hackers:
@crimsonraziel said in PC hackers:
@bern-dimall said in PC hackers:
@crimsonraziel Did you not see the word "temporary"? If an idea to balance the playing field puts you in a fit of rage then you might want to seek help for that. As of now RARE has no answer concerning balancing the play between pc and console. They claimed the discrepancy was a minimal plus 3% in the pc's favor which to me is wishful thinking on their part. What I do know is that in the 2000 or so hours that I've played this game is that 1 or 2 good pc players mixed with console players while manning a galleon can be overcome by a competent crew of console players. I have only faced one crew (that I know of) in all of those hours that had 4 pc players and the accumulative advantages were unstoppable. We hit them with everything we had both broadsides & boarding but the fighting advantages of the pc players forced us into a defensive quarter guard by our 3rd pass. For the first time in all those hours we've played I heard my crew say "We need to move on". Oh sure, we've been sunk in battle before, ambushed, barreled, etc but not once did we ever feel we needed to move on. Revenge, redemption and a reckoning were always in order. I personally don't mind the crossplay as is for coming across another galleon with 4 good pc players is a RARE occurrence (pun intended).😀 The problem I feel is more in the 1 vs 1 area of the game where smaller crews are at greater risk of encountering multiple pc gamers during a voyage. RARE needs to figure something out. Concerning you not being able to play with your friends, Do you not have console gaming friends also? Do you "need" a "loaded" crew to succeed at this game? Are you one of "those" guys that only teams up with pc players? If so, you've missed the boat on what cross platform is all about.🙂 Peace ✌
Are you one of "those" passive aggressive guys that fill their post up with subliminal insults and think putting "peace" and the end makes it "friendly"?
I'm one of "those" guys that are on a sloop in most cases and couldn't play with half of his friends anymore until he bought a xbox because they don't play on xbox, if your temporary "solution" becomes real.
On a side note, a temporary bad solution is still a bad solution. Consider "bad" an euphemism.
Removing forced cross-play would not prevent you from playing with your console friends. That's the whole idea behind the ORIGINAL concept cross-play. It allows people who want to play together across platforms to do exactly that. That is IF they choose to. The only reason the removal of forced cross play would impact you is if your friends on console absolutely refuse to play with you on PC. While I doubt that would happen, if you're even concerned about your own friends OPTING not to play with you then that should clue you in as to exactly how serious an issue this is to them.
tlooking at these forums, Xbox players would prefer to make new friends than to play with a old PC friend.
looking at thes forums it sounds more like
"make optional crossplay so I can turn it off immediately and tell all my friends to turn it off immediately cuz we don't want to play with the PC hackers"The idea of crossplay is not the choice to play with different platforms, it's the ABILITY to play with different platforms.
Yes the M/K on PC is a problem, but the solution is not to optional (AKA remove) crossplay. it's a bandaid solution until your Xbox gets K/M support... what are you doing to do then? demand another optional crossplay controller only servers?
so if i am to look at these forums and see what you guys are demanding
you want PVE servers and PVP servers and PC servers and Xbox servers and Crossplay sesrvers and Controller servers and K/M servers... just for fun, lets make a list of servers you guys are asking.
Right now the Open Matchmaking does its initial filtering using Ping and Region to match people of similar latency and region. (usually, NA and UK are rarely matched together)
now lets start splitting the population even morePC - PVE
PC - PVP
Crossplay PVE
Crossplay PVP
Xbox PVE Controllers only
Xbox PVP Controllers only
Xbox PVE K/M
Xbox PVP K/Mnow since FPS matters should we also make a Xbox and PC servers with Latency Caps?
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 30FPS cap
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 60 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
[...] and so on [...]??If you think this is ridiculous and makes no sense then you really arn't vouching crossplay optional because you want a level playing field and instead you just don't want to play with the PC crowd for other reasons....
Wow, all that for a strawman? That is true commitment right there.
The only thing I'm asking for is to change cross-play back to the way it has been for years. You do realize that right? That on literally every single game that has ever had cross-play it's always been optional. You can claim otherwise, but honestly you're just being silly at this point (Sorry, had to Lol at it 'not being about choice' despite it being an option you have to enable in every other iteration of its use) And yet, the world has continued to turn all that time, without the need for 12 servers per game. Go figure, right?
You people are getting more and more absurd by the minute.
straw man
ˌstrô ˈman/
noun
1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.Kind of like how statements to reference: That on literally every single game that has ever had cross-play it's always been optional. Which is to remark that it should never be a thing because it wasn't before and that makes it valid to never do it ever?
Let's not even consider two major points: One, MS is purposefully and dramatically doing their best to do something new, you know, in an effort to save the Xbox division from being spun out and sold off or closed.... --- integrate PC and Console gaming into one big community of open cross-players to the point that the two most recent game-pass offerings in this path are both specifically that. And Two, things change. Especially in consideration that since the inception of game-pass and play-anywhere the goal has been to include as many crossplay titles as possible, to the point that the first two game pass offerings are exactly that.@lobane said in PC hackers:
@blooddoll22 said in PC hackers:
Actually that's exactly what they'll ask for, but it'll be less pronounced because they won't have the big scary hardware differences to hide behind. It's easy to comment when discussing top of the line PC specs and player capability under the pretense of the best specs out there versus say... your potato of a machine that can barely load up the splash screen and runs at 10 fps on cursed. They don't care that everything is mitigated by soft stops and the only benefit to the console really is FPS and fluidity of motion... it's something they can't adapt too so it's clearly the games fault. And there can be literally no fix to this excepting to kick the neighbors out. **
- Which CAN'T happen, literally they CANNOT. Because a selling point for the game was that you can play openly cross platform from launch. Changing that invalidates launch purchases and opens a legal can of worms that simply won't be stepped over.**
Lol. Please, don't go down the 'legal advice' road. Making cross-play optional would not invalidate anything. The fact of the matter is that with optional cross-play, you CAN still play across platform. Cross play has been a feature for years, and has never been forced. Unless they advertised it differently (as 'required'), then Rare is the one is outside the normal precedent set when it comes to how that feature functions.
Legal trouble....lol.
I'm no lawyer but when the game is sold to PC users as being a game that is playable across platform openly without obstacle and is a true corss-play experience not some half committed option... then changing it only a few months later.... would fall under some form of falsehood laws. Be it false advertising or otherwise. You might laugh it off, but I'd say that 180 would upset more than a few buyers of the game despite how many others who entered the arena knowing what they were getting exist.
But even legal garbage I cannot, as I am no lawyer, support I can say this. It'd be much more harmful to the integrity of the cross play arena than simply finding tech gaps and doing what they can to eliminate them. I for one personally feel the controller could use another 1.5x sensitivity increase. To me that'd balance things out perfectly. THAT sort of suggestion makes sense.
Screaming because a player looses to perceived PC players and demands it's entirely because their hardware can't keep up doesn't. As said a million times before, there's much being ignored in many of these statements - skill being just one of them.
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@crimsonraziel Did you not see the word "temporary"? If an idea to balance the playing field puts you in a fit of rage then you might want to seek help for that. As of now RARE has no answer concerning balancing the play between pc and console. They claimed the discrepancy was a minimal plus 3% in the pc's favor which to me is wishful thinking on their part. What I do know is that in the 2000 or so hours that I've played this game is that 1 or 2 good pc players mixed with console players while manning a galleon can be overcome by a competent crew of console players. I have only faced one crew (that I know of) in all of those hours that had 4 pc players and the accumulative advantages were unstoppable. We hit them with everything we had both broadsides & boarding but the fighting advantages of the pc players forced us into a defensive quarter guard by our 3rd pass. For the first time in all those hours we've played I heard my crew say "We need to move on". Oh sure, we've been sunk in battle before, ambushed, barreled, etc but not once did we ever feel we needed to move on. Revenge, redemption and a reckoning were always in order. I personally don't mind the crossplay as is for coming across another galleon with 4 good pc players is a RARE occurrence (pun intended).😀 The problem I feel is more in the 1 vs 1 area of the game where smaller crews are at greater risk of encountering multiple pc gamers during a voyage. RARE needs to figure something out. Concerning you not being able to play with your friends, Do you not have console gaming friends also? Do you "need" a "loaded" crew to succeed at this game? Are you one of "those" guys that only teams up with pc players? If so, you've missed the boat on what cross platform is all about.🙂 Peace ✌
Are you one of "those" passive aggressive guys that fill their post up with subliminal insults and think putting "peace" and the end makes it "friendly"?
I'm one of "those" guys that are on a sloop in most cases and couldn't play with half of his friends anymore until he bought a xbox because they don't play on xbox, if your temporary "solution" becomes real.
On a side note, a temporary bad solution is still a bad solution. Consider "bad" an euphemism.
Removing forced cross-play would not prevent you from playing with your console friends. That's the whole idea behind the ORIGINAL concept cross-play. It allows people who want to play together across platforms to do exactly that. That is IF they choose to. The only reason the removal of forced cross play would impact you is if your friends on console absolutely refuse to play with you on PC. While I doubt that would happen, if you're even concerned about your own friends OPTING not to play with you then that should clue you in as to exactly how serious an issue this is to them.
tlooking at these forums, Xbox players would prefer to make new friends than to play with a old PC friend.
looking at thes forums it sounds more like
"make optional crossplay so I can turn it off immediately and tell all my friends to turn it off immediately cuz we don't want to play with the PC hackers"The idea of crossplay is not the choice to play with different platforms, it's the ABILITY to play with different platforms.
Yes the M/K on PC is a problem, but the solution is not to optional (AKA remove) crossplay. it's a bandaid solution until your Xbox gets K/M support... what are you doing to do then? demand another optional crossplay controller only servers?
so if i am to look at these forums and see what you guys are demanding
you want PVE servers and PVP servers and PC servers and Xbox servers and Crossplay sesrvers and Controller servers and K/M servers... just for fun, lets make a list of servers you guys are asking.
Right now the Open Matchmaking does its initial filtering using Ping and Region to match people of similar latency and region. (usually, NA and UK are rarely matched together)
now lets start splitting the population even morePC - PVE
PC - PVP
Crossplay PVE
Crossplay PVP
Xbox PVE Controllers only
Xbox PVP Controllers only
Xbox PVE K/M
Xbox PVP K/Mnow since FPS matters should we also make a Xbox and PC servers with Latency Caps?
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 30FPS cap
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 60 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
[...] and so on [...]??If you think this is ridiculous and makes no sense then you really arn't vouching crossplay optional because you want a level playing field and instead you just don't want to play with the PC crowd for other reasons....
Wow, all that for a strawman? That is true commitment right there.
The only thing I'm asking for is to change cross-play back to the way it has been for years. You do realize that right? That on literally every single game that has ever had cross-play it's always been optional. You can claim otherwise, but honestly you're just being silly at this point (Sorry, had to Lol at it 'not being about choice' despite it being an option you have to enable in every other iteration of its use) And yet, the world has continued to turn all that time, without the need for 12 servers per game. Go figure, right?
You people are getting more and more absurd by the minute.
straw man
ˌstrô ˈman/
noun
1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.Kind of like how statements to reference: That on literally every single game that has ever had cross-play it's always been optional. Which implies your have data to back that up or are we simply looking at the games on some list you've read that isn't entirely myopic, speaking in universal absolutes is usually not helpful. Certainly not more helpful than anywhere else in the world where it could be said that every member of every category is always like whatever. It's almost always untrue.
Let's not even consider two major points: One, MS is purposefully and dramatically doing their best to do something new, you know, in an effort to save the Xbox division from being spun out and sold off or closed.... --- integrate PC and Console gaming into one big community of open cross-players to the point that the two most recent game-pass offerings in this path are both specifically that. And Two, things change. Especially in consideration that since the inception of game-pass and play-anywhere the goal has been to include as many crossplay titles as possible, to the point that the first two game pass offerings are exactly that.
Yes, thank you for posting the definition of strawman. Since you responded to my post about cross-play, and then added a bunch of new 'requirements' like asking for PvE or separate servers based on FPS is a definite strawman. Argue my point if you care to, not made up stuff you want to bring up simply because you think it strengthens your argument.
As for my claim about this being the only forced-cross play title, that is not a strawman. I did not site evidence because it would be overwhelming. I have not heard of a single title outside of SOT that forced cross-play. However, I could be wrong. You mentioned there was some second title on the list that also had forced cross-play. Care to enlighten me?
In the MS specific realm it's State of Decay 2.
This is a forced crossplay title. For very specific reasons. There are tech deficiencies I agree should be better accounted for. I feel hacks should be more openly responded too. I feel that there is a difference between the fluidity of motion on controller versus KB+M that deserves looking into but isn't game breaking. I've often cited my own personal view that a 1.5x modifier would be useful compared to the sensitivity we have on the controller right now. But many other arguments fall short. Macros are limited by soft locks on item swapping, weapon firing inputs, and so on. Jumping is just as easily committed to on a controller and is easier the better one gets at using a controller. There is a lack of optional inputs on a limited button controller versus an entire keyboard or multi button mouse or combination.
But none of this breaks the game enough to justify that MS step backward in their effort to unify PC and console gaming. Which is exactly what MS wants. It's exactly why things like Play-anywhere exist. There will always be some games where the deficiencies of the console disallow open shared gaming or a true and open crossplay experience. But splitting, even in a small way, the community simply because of things that can be corrected in a game that isn't meant, by design, to be some serious hardcore gaming experience is ridiculous. It does much more damage right now that it heals the wounds we're potentially experiencing.
Cross play insists that if you own a PC and an Xbox you can hop on either or both and play at once. It's the whole premise. It's the effort in form to bring console gaming and PC gaming together as close as possible. The effort is to tighten and develop a community of gamers that aren't limited by hardware and can be MS game customers and game pass subscribers all in one without being told... no if you play on X you can't play with Y because we suck and platform integration... instead... the focus needs be on how to integrate the platforms as best as they can. As a PC and Console gamer one major obstacle that has constantly bothered me is the inability to play on my PC when the TV is used with whomever I might choose who may not have a PC. We've all watched as we buy multiple copies of games just so we can assure that when we want to play a game we can play it with whomever we wish. Considering many games cost average of $60 that's at least $120 US just so I can play with my kids.
Versus a single purchase of $10/mo or $60 that allows me to hop on PC and join them.
This is good.
Yes, I want to see more closure in the differences of hardware. yes, even on PC only hardware makes a difference especially in games that are twitch friendly.
This game isn't that game. This is a softcore game with little content and simple rules. The only obvious issue is the fluidity of motion. I'll be damned if it wouldn't be easier to close that gap than backpedal and tick off scores of gamers like me by suddenly eliminating the open play experience.
The upset is only exacerbated by the fact that the dispairity really, really isn't that overwhelming I play on both systems.. I'm not making this up! I play with the same success ratio if not better on console than on my big bad PC. I'll never argue that there aren't differences... there certainly are heck my mouse alone allows me more inputs than the controller will ever have.
But none of these have broken the game for me. Regardless of the platform I've played on.
Moreover... if it's THAT big of an issue... upgrade?! With a little effort you'll get used to the control measures and BAM problem solved... and maybe youll even do better on PC because of your ease of movement and so on...
The true universal unilateral experience is something that should be committed to. It is something that should be given intense focus. But in this game... it's hardly game breaking overall, despite I'm sure a few outliers. And the benefits far outweigh the cost.
Maybe were this CoD or Counterstrike or something more intense, I'd say it's more of an issue. But we're talking about the worlds prettiest chatroom here PvP comes down to who can swing and whom faster and often comes down to who hits whom first and how. Turning does factor into that. But that's it.. button inputs aren't faster.. jumping isn't magically better... aiming means nothing - hit me in the foot I die the same as the head... and so on.
Can the disparity between hardware ever be closed to a null value of 0? Maybe not. But it most certainly can be dealt with much more easily than MS doing a complete 180 on play-anywhere and introducing segregation rules to a game that was sold under the aegis of play anywhere lose nothing, buy once play on multiple platforms, share with your family from one client, play with whomever in the community you like, band together as one community.
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@crimsonraziel Did you not see the word "temporary"? If an idea to balance the playing field puts you in a fit of rage then you might want to seek help for that. As of now RARE has no answer concerning balancing the play between pc and console. They claimed the discrepancy was a minimal plus 3% in the pc's favor which to me is wishful thinking on their part. What I do know is that in the 2000 or so hours that I've played this game is that 1 or 2 good pc players mixed with console players while manning a galleon can be overcome by a competent crew of console players. I have only faced one crew (that I know of) in all of those hours that had 4 pc players and the accumulative advantages were unstoppable. We hit them with everything we had both broadsides & boarding but the fighting advantages of the pc players forced us into a defensive quarter guard by our 3rd pass. For the first time in all those hours we've played I heard my crew say "We need to move on". Oh sure, we've been sunk in battle before, ambushed, barreled, etc but not once did we ever feel we needed to move on. Revenge, redemption and a reckoning were always in order. I personally don't mind the crossplay as is for coming across another galleon with 4 good pc players is a RARE occurrence (pun intended).😀 The problem I feel is more in the 1 vs 1 area of the game where smaller crews are at greater risk of encountering multiple pc gamers during a voyage. RARE needs to figure something out. Concerning you not being able to play with your friends, Do you not have console gaming friends also? Do you "need" a "loaded" crew to succeed at this game? Are you one of "those" guys that only teams up with pc players? If so, you've missed the boat on what cross platform is all about.🙂 Peace ✌
Are you one of "those" passive aggressive guys that fill their post up with subliminal insults and think putting "peace" and the end makes it "friendly"?
I'm one of "those" guys that are on a sloop in most cases and couldn't play with half of his friends anymore until he bought a xbox because they don't play on xbox, if your temporary "solution" becomes real.
On a side note, a temporary bad solution is still a bad solution. Consider "bad" an euphemism.
Removing forced cross-play would not prevent you from playing with your console friends. That's the whole idea behind the ORIGINAL concept cross-play. It allows people who want to play together across platforms to do exactly that. That is IF they choose to. The only reason the removal of forced cross play would impact you is if your friends on console absolutely refuse to play with you on PC. While I doubt that would happen, if you're even concerned about your own friends OPTING not to play with you then that should clue you in as to exactly how serious an issue this is to them.
tlooking at these forums, Xbox players would prefer to make new friends than to play with a old PC friend.
looking at thes forums it sounds more like
"make optional crossplay so I can turn it off immediately and tell all my friends to turn it off immediately cuz we don't want to play with the PC hackers"The idea of crossplay is not the choice to play with different platforms, it's the ABILITY to play with different platforms.
Yes the M/K on PC is a problem, but the solution is not to optional (AKA remove) crossplay. it's a bandaid solution until your Xbox gets K/M support... what are you doing to do then? demand another optional crossplay controller only servers?
so if i am to look at these forums and see what you guys are demanding
you want PVE servers and PVP servers and PC servers and Xbox servers and Crossplay sesrvers and Controller servers and K/M servers... just for fun, lets make a list of servers you guys are asking.
Right now the Open Matchmaking does its initial filtering using Ping and Region to match people of similar latency and region. (usually, NA and UK are rarely matched together)
now lets start splitting the population even morePC - PVE
PC - PVP
Crossplay PVE
Crossplay PVP
Xbox PVE Controllers only
Xbox PVP Controllers only
Xbox PVE K/M
Xbox PVP K/Mnow since FPS matters should we also make a Xbox and PC servers with Latency Caps?
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 30FPS cap
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 60 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
[...] and so on [...]??If you think this is ridiculous and makes no sense then you really arn't vouching crossplay optional because you want a level playing field and instead you just don't want to play with the PC crowd for other reasons....
Wow, all that for a strawman? That is true commitment right there.
The only thing I'm asking for is to change cross-play back to the way it has been for years. You do realize that right? That on literally every single game that has ever had cross-play it's always been optional. You can claim otherwise, but honestly you're just being silly at this point (Sorry, had to Lol at it 'not being about choice' despite it being an option you have to enable in every other iteration of its use) And yet, the world has continued to turn all that time, without the need for 12 servers per game. Go figure, right?
You people are getting more and more absurd by the minute.
ok I'll play...
Q: why do you want crossplay servers?
A: to have a level playing fieldok now explain how is it a level playing field when a person uses Xbox1X with M/K vs someone using an Original Xbox1 with the basic controller.
please explain how that scenario is on a level playing field?
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@crimsonraziel Did you not see the word "temporary"? If an idea to balance the playing field puts you in a fit of rage then you might want to seek help for that. As of now RARE has no answer concerning balancing the play between pc and console. They claimed the discrepancy was a minimal plus 3% in the pc's favor which to me is wishful thinking on their part. What I do know is that in the 2000 or so hours that I've played this game is that 1 or 2 good pc players mixed with console players while manning a galleon can be overcome by a competent crew of console players. I have only faced one crew (that I know of) in all of those hours that had 4 pc players and the accumulative advantages were unstoppable. We hit them with everything we had both broadsides & boarding but the fighting advantages of the pc players forced us into a defensive quarter guard by our 3rd pass. For the first time in all those hours we've played I heard my crew say "We need to move on". Oh sure, we've been sunk in battle before, ambushed, barreled, etc but not once did we ever feel we needed to move on. Revenge, redemption and a reckoning were always in order. I personally don't mind the crossplay as is for coming across another galleon with 4 good pc players is a RARE occurrence (pun intended).😀 The problem I feel is more in the 1 vs 1 area of the game where smaller crews are at greater risk of encountering multiple pc gamers during a voyage. RARE needs to figure something out. Concerning you not being able to play with your friends, Do you not have console gaming friends also? Do you "need" a "loaded" crew to succeed at this game? Are you one of "those" guys that only teams up with pc players? If so, you've missed the boat on what cross platform is all about.🙂 Peace ✌
Are you one of "those" passive aggressive guys that fill their post up with subliminal insults and think putting "peace" and the end makes it "friendly"?
I'm one of "those" guys that are on a sloop in most cases and couldn't play with half of his friends anymore until he bought a xbox because they don't play on xbox, if your temporary "solution" becomes real.
On a side note, a temporary bad solution is still a bad solution. Consider "bad" an euphemism.
Removing forced cross-play would not prevent you from playing with your console friends. That's the whole idea behind the ORIGINAL concept cross-play. It allows people who want to play together across platforms to do exactly that. That is IF they choose to. The only reason the removal of forced cross play would impact you is if your friends on console absolutely refuse to play with you on PC. While I doubt that would happen, if you're even concerned about your own friends OPTING not to play with you then that should clue you in as to exactly how serious an issue this is to them.
tlooking at these forums, Xbox players would prefer to make new friends than to play with a old PC friend.
looking at thes forums it sounds more like
"make optional crossplay so I can turn it off immediately and tell all my friends to turn it off immediately cuz we don't want to play with the PC hackers"The idea of crossplay is not the choice to play with different platforms, it's the ABILITY to play with different platforms.
Yes the M/K on PC is a problem, but the solution is not to optional (AKA remove) crossplay. it's a bandaid solution until your Xbox gets K/M support... what are you doing to do then? demand another optional crossplay controller only servers?
so if i am to look at these forums and see what you guys are demanding
you want PVE servers and PVP servers and PC servers and Xbox servers and Crossplay sesrvers and Controller servers and K/M servers... just for fun, lets make a list of servers you guys are asking.
Right now the Open Matchmaking does its initial filtering using Ping and Region to match people of similar latency and region. (usually, NA and UK are rarely matched together)
now lets start splitting the population even morePC - PVE
PC - PVP
Crossplay PVE
Crossplay PVP
Xbox PVE Controllers only
Xbox PVP Controllers only
Xbox PVE K/M
Xbox PVP K/Mnow since FPS matters should we also make a Xbox and PC servers with Latency Caps?
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 30FPS cap
Xbox - PVE Controllers only 60 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
Xbox - PVP Controllers only 30 FPS cap
[...] and so on [...]??If you think this is ridiculous and makes no sense then you really arn't vouching crossplay optional because you want a level playing field and instead you just don't want to play with the PC crowd for other reasons....
Wow, all that for a strawman? That is true commitment right there.
The only thing I'm asking for is to change cross-play back to the way it has been for years. You do realize that right? That on literally every single game that has ever had cross-play it's always been optional. You can claim otherwise, but honestly you're just being silly at this point (Sorry, had to Lol at it 'not being about choice' despite it being an option you have to enable in every other iteration of its use) And yet, the world has continued to turn all that time, without the need for 12 servers per game. Go figure, right?
You people are getting more and more absurd by the minute.
ok I'll play...
Q: why do you want crossplay servers?
A: to have a level playing fieldok now explain how is it a level playing field when a person uses Xbox1X with M/K vs someone using an Original Xbox1 with the basic controller.
please explain how that scenario is on a level playing field?
It wouldn't be a level playing field, though I think people are overstating the potential proliferation of m k/b in console gaming. Most console gamers are in their living room on a couch, not somewhere they're going to be able to adequately use a m k/b. But yes, there is always a fringe out there.
But interestingly enough, MS has come out and 'strongly encouraged' all developers who add m k/b support to also include separate servers for both input types (assuming there is any competitive component to the game). Just goes to show you that the issue exists, is expected to continue to exist, and even MS best solution to the disparity is to separate the players.
Again, maybe one day we'll have other means to bridge the disparity gap. But we don't yet....so how about we save forced cross-platform play UNTIL we actually have a solution. I know....that would make way too much sense, right?
so my list of different servers is not that far fetched,
and how do you suppose we find the solution if every time we try something xbox players call for optional (aka. removing) crossplay.
MS has this pilot game and is looking for gathering data, not where the problem is (they know where it is), but by what factor. only when they gather that information accurately will they be able to formulate a solution. how much should they crank up the sensitivity? will they allow auto aim back in? or not at all? or somewhere in between? or will that even fix it?
lets assume launch numbers that 14% of the players are on PC. if you remove crossplay, and MS adds M/K support to the Xbox, we can assume from what you said that most will play on the couch... say 14% will buy the M/K for xbox the rest will stay with controllers... we are back to square 1. so your solution of optional (removing) crossplay didn't work... that much can be speculated.
so instead of demanding optional (removing) crossplay servers because you want level playing field (why is very hypocrite since the Xbox1X can outperform the Xbox1)
, why don't you guys ask Rare- release some data proving that PC does not give a big advantage is this specific game
- release some data proving that PC does give a big advantage in this specific game
- show what solutions they are looking into and which areas are being balanced.
as clients of a license of this game, you are entitled to know how they plan to fix a broken mechanic, and you are in your full rights to leave the game and not give them a single penny more
I do it all the time, I have blacklisted many publishers because of similar situations. where as a client i am in my full right to know what is being done to fix a problem in a license i purchased.
Ubisoft, EA, Daybreak Games (SOE) even if they make the most awesome games, i voted with my wallet, (look at what happened with BattlefrontII)so crossplay at this moment is not the solution due to 2 factors
- Xbox1X has better performance and the K/M support coming in won't make it a level playing field even with your crossplay off
- by making it optional you back out into your own little bubble and not giving a chance to Rare to figure out something.
@lobane I sincerely doubt they specifically advertised cross play as 'without obstacles', especially as some coded language to mean that players can't opt out.
Sea of Thieves | Xbox
Live your pirate life in Sea of Thieves. Enter a shared-world action adventure game where crews of real players set sail to live like pirates.
True cooperative gameplay
It’s your crew VS the world.Not your crew versus a segregated group of opt in players. The phrasing is admittedly extrapolated but it's there.
Your not actually wrong overall. even https://support.xbox.com/en-US/games/game-setup/cross-play references it when posting pages containing clear and obvious disclaimers such as:
Cross play on Windows 10 and Xbox One
Certain multiplayer games offer cross play, which enables people on Xbox One to play with people on PCs and vice versa. Some games that offer cross play let you turn it off; check the game’s settings if you want to play only with people using the same device that you’re using.Until you realize that near launch we had videos such as thus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHw76n4iBEI
"Why can't PC players play games with Xbox players, that's something we absolutely support."
Notice it's published by Xbox, the video, and is remarking upon SoT specifically.
Then there's the title of this, essentially advertisement video, No Compromise Crossplay.
Then notice the mentality of the devs in this case as anecdotally added in statements such as this which might clue you in to how Rare REALLY feels about these complaints.
"We want to make sure whenever we release a version, it's one build that goes to all of our players. We actually call it "No asterisks crossplay"."
I'd say the idea that they've taken a stance since pre-launch and in videos to suggest it's valid to say that the game has a selling point of ... yea.. as stated: No Asterisks crossplay.
Then there's this page found here:
https://www.seaofthieves.com/news/design-deep-dive-cross-play
Discussing how it really isn't all that bad and has been part of the Sea of Thieves magic since pre-launch. It discusses how they do watch disparity very closely. It discusses the game WILL be "no asterisks crossplay" and reinforces is as a selling point.
Look, I'll face it. Alot of insipid garbage falls out of my mouth. I'm the kind of guy who is lucky to remember to breathe half the time. My verbiage and prose is almost always overloaded and flawed.
But the merit of my perspectives usually.... aren't.
I don't and never will disagree that there are disparities that deserve to be closed. But I will always disagree that even optional crossplay is such a far-fetched desire in this game as to be a joke in it's own right. It's based much more of users inability to adapt and upset over the small little world of xbox being infringed upon by PC gamers regardless of merit or lack of and more to do with fear of change and unwillingness to share.
Hell, even Bill Gates told us this was the future 4-5 years ago.. and guess what... it's here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5LIzuzb6cI
So back on topic for once...
PC hackers.. always an issue in gaming wherever PC's exist. It affects all of us even PC users who equally despise it, it's true most of us do! But I find it highly unlikely that the OP has met PC hackers based on the post opening the thread. I do suspect there are far more technical issues present for the poster than legitimate hacks. If the OP does suspect he's always more than invited to share the experience alongside dates, times, and so on or added video recordings.
Because as always, cheaters should be banned. Dispairities should be closed as best as humanly possible.
But even optional segregation? Anti-thetical to SoT and the overall interests of Play-anywhere and gamepass.
Oh... and there are many videos and reports indicating the stance of no compromise crossplay... it is a selling point.
Didn't look at all posts, but freezing game can also be an overheating/overtaxed processor. Try cleaning out your console fully. Remember, a console is just a computer in a smaller package. The processors and various boards have to be dusted, and I don't mean with a brush, vacuum, or blowing in it like the old NES cartridges.
@squaz05 The solution is really pretty simple. Offer OPTIONAL crossplay now. Its been months, and telling xboxers to just wait till kbm is supported on xbox isnt addressing the issue. How long is a player expected to wait? Once kbm is eventually supported by xbox, re-introduce forced crossplay with the kbm and controller servers MS suggest. This removes the PC hater posts, balances the playing field, and gives a future target to aim for. This doesn't help PC players using controller, but at least their system has full support for kbm use. They would just have to patiently wait for kbm and controller servers when it eventually happens, just like xboxers have been waiting since launch(and pre-launch if some pioneers are accurate).
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@crimsonraziel Did you not see the word "temporary"? If an idea to balance the playing field puts you in a fit of rage then you might want to seek help for that. As of now RARE has no answer concerning balancing the play between pc and console. They claimed the discrepancy was a minimal plus 3% in the pc's favor which to me is wishful thinking on their part. What I do know is that in the 2000 or so hours that I've played this game is that 1 or 2 good pc players mixed with console players while manning a galleon can be overcome by a competent crew of console players. I have only faced one crew (that I know of) in all of those hours that had 4 pc players and the accumulative advantages were unstoppable. We hit them with everything we had both broadsides & boarding but the fighting advantages of the pc players forced us into a defensive quarter guard by our 3rd pass. For the first time in all those hours we've played I heard my crew say "We need to move on". Oh sure, we've been sunk in battle before, ambushed, barreled, etc but not once did we ever feel we needed to move on. Revenge, redemption and a reckoning were always in order. I personally don't mind the crossplay as is for coming across another galleon with 4 good pc players is a RARE occurrence (pun intended).😀 The problem I feel is more in the 1 vs 1 area of the game where smaller crews are at greater risk of encountering multiple pc gamers during a voyage. RARE needs to figure something out. Concerning you not being able to play with your friends, Do you not have console gaming friends also? Do you "need" a "loaded" crew to succeed at this game? Are you one of "those" guys that only teams up with pc players? If so, you've missed the boat on what cross platform is all about.🙂 Peace ✌
Are you one of "those" passive aggressive guys that fill their post up with subliminal insults and think putting "peace" and the end makes it "friendly"?
I'm one of "those" guys that are on a sloop in most cases and couldn't play with half of his friends anymore until he bought a xbox because they don't play on xbox, if your temporary "solution" becomes real.
On a side note, a temporary bad solution is still a bad solution. Consider "bad" an euphemism.
Removing forced cross-play would not prevent you from playing with your console friends. That's the whole idea behind the ORIGINAL concept cross-play. It allows people who want to play together across platforms to do exactly that. That is IF they choose to. The only reason the removal of forced cross play would impact you is if your friends on console absolutely refuse to play with you on PC. While I doubt that would happen, if you're even concerned about your own friends OPTING not to play with you then that should clue you in as to exactly how serious an issue this is to them.
tThat is not, what I was responding to. Please reread the post I was referring to.
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@crimsonraziel Hey man, there was nothing "subliminal" about the questions I posed to you. If the shoe fits, wear it! As of now my "idea" is better than RARE's😀😜😀.
No your idea is BS.
I have another temporary idea you probably won't like either but it would help. Remove hip fire all together! This would eliminate the "spin jump hip fire to the top of the head as they're flying by"maneuver from the pc'ers repertoire thus making their aerial acrobatics less effective.
And why should I care? Because you're projecting? Because you need to change the topic?
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