Tips for PVP only players...again.

  • When you are going for PvP you have at least one of three goals.

    1. Kill the other players
    2. Sink their ship
    3. Steal their loot

    Those are absolutes.

    So if you are on a Galleon of 4 people and are chasing a 1 to 2 person sloop you aren't looking for PvP you are looking for an uneven battle that you could maybe easily win.

    If you think chasing people is PvP, you are wrong.

    If you end up not being able to catch the 2 man sloop and just chase them around for no reason, then you have too much time on your hands.

    Finally, because this happened tonight to me with a Galleon who was on a rampage in the server, if your goal is kill, sink and steal and you never do that, you didn't win. If you are going to send messages to a sloop who you out number about them running and that they are just afraid and not good at PvP, they still won. These guys chased me for an hour and I killed on who tried to board us and they said that I was bad at PvP and just running.

    At the end here was the tally:

    Sloop: Players killed; 1...Ships sunk; 0...Loot sold; All
    Galleon: Players killed; 0...Ships sunk; 0...Loot sold; 0

    And to mention that I am Pirate Legend but I still ran, I had to explain to him that I became legend because I can run better than other ships.

    TLDR; If you want to PvP but cant catch anyone to fight, you are losing and you should try a new strategy.

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  • If a galleon chases a sloop it os because they think that eventually they will sink the sloop.

  • If a galleon wants to chase a sloop then they can have any number of reasons for doing so. Practice sailing, practice maneuvers with the crew, running a sloop off into another zone, etc. Also, most crews (sloops and galleons) are not good, so it is not unreasonable to give it a go. If they keep it up for an extended period, that’s their call to make. We are playing a video game, so the idea that chasing someone for a while signifies “too much time on their hands” is silly.

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  • Naturally in real life pirates fought only reluctantly given that they only got to lose once and repairs were difficult without a port etc. Cost and benefit kind of stuff - not wooden ships iron men like the navy.

    The typical pirate attack had a quick surrender with no shots fired (maybe a warning shot or two) on a merchant ship followed by taking their stuff and letting them go on their way empty. Maybe a bit different once you get to the 1700s compared to 1600s, but similar. Unless you’re the kind of pirate that prefers the gallows matey!

  • @guepard4 said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    If a galleon chases a sloop it os because they think that eventually they will sink the sloop.

    I've never been sunk by a Galleon while on a sloop. They don't even catch me. They just stay behind me until we both get bored. It's THE worst PvP strategy in the game and THE worst pirating strategy. I continue to tell people, if you want PvP and the other person just runs from you, don't spend more than 5 or 10 minutes chasing them. You'll get no where.

  • @ghostpaw said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    If a galleon wants to chase a sloop then they can have any number of reasons for doing so. Practice sailing, practice maneuvers with the crew, running a sloop off into another zone, etc. Also, most crews (sloops and galleons) are not good, so it is not unreasonable to give it a go. If they keep it up for an extended period, that’s their call to make. We are playing a video game, so the idea that chasing someone for a while signifies “too much time on their hands” is silly.

    If you think that chasing someone for more than 10 minutes is beneficial, I'd be glad to give you a lesson on why it isn't. You probably know as well as everyone that if a Galleon is chasing a sloop they are only hoping to kill, sink, loot and praying that it's new players who don't know how to outrun them. But it's really sad when they are just out maneuvered at every turn and never get anywhere close but keep following.

  • @edemardil said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    @guepard4 said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    If a galleon chases a sloop it os because they think that eventually they will sink the sloop.

    I've never been sunk by a Galleon while on a sloop. They don't even catch me. They just stay behind me until we both get bored. It's THE worst PvP strategy in the game and THE worst pirating strategy. I continue to tell people, if you want PvP and the other person just runs from you, don't spend more than 5 or 10 minutes chasing them. You'll get no where.

    I’ve caught and killed plenty of runners.

    There’s only so much map and they will eventually make a fatal mistake. As a bit of a hunter in real life, the stalk is not wasted time for me. I am definitely going to initiate an approach from the most advantageous position and allow you to think you are running. In a direction of my choice.

  • @dutchyankee said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    Chasing other boats is definitely an exciting part of this game (for both the pursuant and the pursued). But once players get good at sailing a Sloop, it becomes a futile venture.

    People can chase me all they want but the end result is that I eventually sell my treasure and everybody has just sailed around the map ten times. If one of my friends is on the Sloop to jump overboard on sabotage missions, you can all go eat sandwiches.

    Good crews will recognise that chasing a proficient Sloop sailor is a waste of time:profit and give up after a few minutes to pursue more profitable fun elsewhere. Bad crews will take much longer before giving up. But they learn from this and eventually become Good crews.

    Chasing a Proficient Sailor = Waste of time/reward return.

    If pillage is your goal, go after Noobs or anchored ships. If ruining everyone's time:reward ratio (including your own) is your goal, or if you just need the sailing practice, please keep chasing proficient Sloops.

    I'm interested to see how Alliances will effect the PvP aspect of this topic? Getting chased by 2 (or more) boats is a bit tougher.

    Yeah, it's more annoying that people still find this to be a viable option for PvP. These guys were msging me telling me they wanted PvP. We sold all our loot but my fiend who was with me is not as confident at PvP and not confident at sailing. So my only option was to drop all our stuff by dropping him off and keep them after us until we lost them (which we did) or they got bored. Normally we'd be dropping off with kegs and jumping out to drop their anchor. But it was late in game (I was on my second athena and hadn't left the game in a few hours)

    You're right, good crews recognize it. Unfortunately, good crews are not often found on the seas. People think that if you are on a solo or duo sloop that you should just risk fighting and out numbered crew. But that is tactically dumb.

    Pirating is easy. I am not against it at all. But I never chase for it. I don't even camp outposts. I will either follow someone around stopping at Islands that are near them and if I'm on a big Island in the area and have a crew, I'll leave a member on the Island for a little bit in case the ship goes there next. Or we will do drive bys and drop someone on the Island they are on. No chasing necessary. I can't tell you how many times I've sailed past an Island with a sloop anchored on it only to anchor turn when they couldn't see me and then pull up next to them and pound them down to Aegir's halls before they could get back to their ship.

    Yeah the new update will be interesting. But you don't need it to make alliances. I hire ships and make friends in the game more than anything. In fact, one sloop of new dudes we made friends with right before the Galleon chased us turned their stuff in and came to help us at one point. They got them off of us long enough to make a drop or two. I make friends in almost every server for that reason and I will give them loot, especially if I am solo, for helping out.

  • @haydnsym45 said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    Naturally in real life pirates fought only reluctantly given that they only got to lose once and repairs were difficult without a port etc. Cost and benefit kind of stuff - not wooden ships iron men like the navy.

    The typical pirate attack had a quick surrender with no shots fired (maybe a warning shot or two) on a merchant ship followed by taking their stuff and letting them go on their way empty. Maybe a bit different once you get to the 1700s compared to 1600s, but similar. Unless you’re the kind of pirate that prefers the gallows matey!

    Source?

  • @mrgrim67686 said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    @edemardil said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    @guepard4 said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    If a galleon chases a sloop it os because they think that eventually they will sink the sloop.

    I've never been sunk by a Galleon while on a sloop. They don't even catch me. They just stay behind me until we both get bored. It's THE worst PvP strategy in the game and THE worst pirating strategy. I continue to tell people, if you want PvP and the other person just runs from you, don't spend more than 5 or 10 minutes chasing them. You'll get no where.

    I’ve caught and killed plenty of runners.

    There’s only so much map and they will eventually make a fatal mistake. As a bit of a hunter in real life, the stalk is not wasted time for me. I am definitely going to initiate an approach from the most advantageous position and allow you to think you are running. In a direction of my choice.

    That's why I said in another post that Galleons who go after sloops are praying that they are noobs so they can get an easy kill.

  • @edemardil
    They should pray. Sloops can easily murder galleons. They’re only real option is to bomb/board you and that leaves a lot of holes unpatched. They simply cannot match a sloop’s maneuverability close quarters. Best they can muster is “turret mode”.

  • @mrgrim67686 said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    @edemardil
    Sloops can easily murder galleons.

    Sloops can easily murder very bad galleons.
    😁

  • @gloog said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    @mrgrim67686 said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    @edemardil
    Sloops can easily murder galleons.

    Sloops can easily murder very bad galleons.
    😁

    Fair to middling galleons too. 😈

  • Historically, sloops were favored by pirates for their speed and maneuverability. That seems to hold true in Sea of Thieves as well. But in the real world, pirate crews would almost always outnumber their targets. A pirate crew on an average sloop might number around 80, while a typical merchant ship might only have a crew of around a dozen men. In any event, sloops were formidable ships in the hands of good crews. The same is true here in Sea of Thieves.

  • @edemardil said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    If you think that chasing someone for more than 10 minutes is beneficial, I'd be glad to give you a lesson on why it isn't.

    I just provided you a few potential benefits. "Practice sailing, practice maneuvers with the crew, running a sloop off into another zone, etc." What are you having trouble understanding?

    @edemardil said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    You probably know as well as everyone that if a Galleon is chasing a sloop they are only hoping to kill, sink, loot and praying that it's new players who don't know how to outrun them. But it's really sad when they are just out maneuvered at every turn and never get anywhere close but keep following.

    Eventually a sloop runs out of map to run upwind. They hit shoals. They get distracted and hit rocks. Winds shift over time and location. Mistakes are made. Again, if a galleon wants to follow for an hour, who are we to judge? It is good practice and they may even learn something if the sloop's captain is particularly good.

    Oh, and by the way, be careful not to break your arm while you are patting yourself on the back.

  • I hate chasing people so I dont unless someone is really sailing for a bruising. Two nights ago I chased a pirate legend ship for like 20 minutes. They sunk our ship while we(was on with two friends) were searching and killing ruby mermaid statues around an island. Then in typical j******f fashion they sail away. We chased them and they kept boarding our ship and we kept killing them. Eventually we were able to catch them at a good cannon angle and shot off a bunch at their lower deck, I also explosive barreled their ship for good measure and they sunk. I hate spending that much time on a sink but it was very satisfying. Second PL ship we have taken out in the past week.

    I find sloops harder to chase than galleons(if its a competent slooper of course) . My crew always leaves sloops alone but one sloop just had to be a moron the other night so we went after them. They actually were good at sailing. They were doing all the right maneuvers and also sailing in-between rocks but im really good at sailing the galleon around rocks and in between them. My friends are so funny they literally sit fingers crossed on one hand and a plank in the other, they still cant believe I dont hit anything lol. After 25 minutes I had enough and crashed into an outpost so me and my two friends could go get drunk. Sloop crashed into us(I figured they would) and we spawn killed them and then got drunk.

    Basically I hate a long chase but at the same time it can be like finally eating on Thanksgiving after waiting for the turkey to finally be done.

  • @edemardil dijo en Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    @guepard4 said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    If a galleon chases a sloop it os because they think that eventually they will sink the sloop.

    I've never been sunk by a Galleon while on a sloop. They don't even catch me. They just stay behind me until we both get bored. It's THE worst PvP strategy in the game and THE worst pirating strategy. I continue to tell people, if you want PvP and the other person just runs from you, don't spend more than 5 or 10 minutes chasing them. You'll get no where.

    yah yah....

    I have sink dozens of sloops, some of them chasing them after some minuts. This is the true, if you don't like or believe, it's your problem.

  • @edemardil - books. Actual books on pirates. The “battles” you hear about were remarkably rare compared to the general surrender/plunder. Exclude Blackbeard, take LaFitte for instance: even Wikipedia says he was more of a smuggler than a fighter, and the main battle he fought was when the US navy sank his fleet for “piracy” (but really smuggling and even that is a geneous term for customs evasion).

  • @edemardil
    Many books on pirate history.
    Here is a list for sources on.[pirate books](https://csphistorical.com/2015/06/28/recommend-books-on-pirate-history/ url)

    Invisible Hook an economist's take on the golden age of piracy, democracy, and their self interest.

  • @edemardil said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    When you are going for PvP you have at least one of three goals.

    1. Kill the other players
    2. Sink their ship
    3. Steal their loot

    Those are absolutes.

    So if you are on a Galleon of 4 people and are chasing a 1 to 2 person sloop you aren't looking for PvP you are looking for an uneven battle that you could maybe easily win.

    If you think chasing people is PvP, you are wrong.

    If you end up not being able to catch the 2 man sloop and just chase them around for no reason, then you have too much time on your hands.

    Finally, because this happened tonight to me with a Galleon who was on a rampage in the server, if your goal is kill, sink and steal and you never do that, you didn't win. If you are going to send messages to a sloop who you out number about them running and that they are just afraid and not good at PvP, they still won. These guys chased me for an hour and I killed on who tried to board us and they said that I was bad at PvP and just running.

    At the end here was the tally:

    Sloop: Players killed; 1...Ships sunk; 0...Loot sold; All
    Galleon: Players killed; 0...Ships sunk; 0...Loot sold; 0

    And to mention that I am Pirate Legend but I still ran, I had to explain to him that I became legend because I can run better than other ships.

    TLDR; If you want to PvP but cant catch anyone to fight, you are losing and you should try a new strategy.

    Clearly a PVE’er posing as a PVP’er....apparently someone who got chased and beat up all night even when he didn’t have anything.

    A real PVP’er know that rule #1 is to sink their ship. If they are just killing you then they are just being nice 👍

  • I am somewhat ashamed to say that I did this sort of thing yesterday. My (galleon) crew and I just finished turning in an Athena and Skull Fort loot, then we noticed a sloop sailing past the outpost and anchoring at a nearby island. We all agreed to go attack them and steal whatever loot they're getting off the island. It ended up being an on and off battle with them like us ramming their ship, anchoring both our ships down and us killing each other. It would start up into a chase again after one of them would raise their anchor and call us 'virgins' while sailing away lul. We did this like 3 times until we chased them...

    INTO THE KRAKEN!
    Kraken takes no sides!
    and because my crew were so dead set on killing them, nobody was repairing our ship except me and it ended up sinking. My crew got killed and I ended up swimming to their sloop, which was also being attacked by so many kraken tentacles that it too sank, and killed their last survivor with a blunderbuss. In the end it was just me and the kraken... Then I left to eat dinner, it all lasted for 20-30 minutes. I may be ashamed to 'say' I did it, but I don't feel bad for doing it hue hue.

  • @glannigan said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    @edemardil said in Tips for PVP only players...again.:

    When you are going for PvP you have at least one of three goals.

    1. Kill the other players
    2. Sink their ship
    3. Steal their loot

    Those are absolutes.

    So if you are on a Galleon of 4 people and are chasing a 1 to 2 person sloop you aren't looking for PvP you are looking for an uneven battle that you could maybe easily win.

    If you think chasing people is PvP, you are wrong.

    If you end up not being able to catch the 2 man sloop and just chase them around for no reason, then you have too much time on your hands.

    Finally, because this happened tonight to me with a Galleon who was on a rampage in the server, if your goal is kill, sink and steal and you never do that, you didn't win. If you are going to send messages to a sloop who you out number about them running and that they are just afraid and not good at PvP, they still won. These guys chased me for an hour and I killed on who tried to board us and they said that I was bad at PvP and just running.

    At the end here was the tally:

    Sloop: Players killed; 1...Ships sunk; 0...Loot sold; All
    Galleon: Players killed; 0...Ships sunk; 0...Loot sold; 0

    And to mention that I am Pirate Legend but I still ran, I had to explain to him that I became legend because I can run better than other ships.

    TLDR; If you want to PvP but cant catch anyone to fight, you are losing and you should try a new strategy.

    Clearly a PVE’er posing as a PVP’er....apparently someone who got chased and beat up all night even when he didn’t have anything.

    A real PVP’er know that rule #1 is to sink their ship. If they are just killing you then they are just being nice 👍

    When you are going for PvP you have at least one of three goals.

    Kill the other players
    Sink their ship
    Steal their loot

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