Ahoy everyone! I wanted to talk about PVP and PVE discussions I have been hearing in both game and forums. Let's get this started. Think about this, there are A LOT of Pirate Legends and high level players out there that spend a lot of their time grinding the game. For all players, PVP is a big part of the game, it is both fun and challenging. But, PVP interferes with people's voyages around 70% of their time in the game. It is a part of the game. I hear a bunch of players telling me that PVE servers would be a good idea to add to the game. They say that there are sometimes where they want to just have a break and enjoy the game without having to look behind their shoulders every minute. I totally understand what their saying but I personally think it's a bad idea. Rare has been very generous about making people's in-game experience a little less challenging and stressful. For example, doing weekly updates that cause player's to be able to buy levels or skull forts, where you fight skeletons to earn a huge stash of treasure instead of having to do voyages for 2 hours. I think that adding PVE servers would make this game WAY to easy. Players would easily be able to level up their characters without having any player's attack them. For the people who like this PVE idea, think about all the Pirate legends and high leveled players that had to spend HOURS grinding this game see PVE servers come out and see player's becoming Pirate Legends within weeks. It's not fair. There are pirate legends who say that once your 50/50/50, there is nothing you can do that will be fulfilling. So if we were to add PVE servers, not only would it be unfair, it would lower the in-game activity. This is my honest opinion and I am glad I was able to share it.
PVP vs PVE
Life is not fair. You can already purchase your way to pirate legend, how is giving people a more fun way to get there any less fair then that? I'm sorry but PVE servers or preferably just private servers are not going to have anything but a positive effect on this game and if you think otherwise you're just bitter about change and not actually seeing the bigger picture. If you chose to make that boring and tedious grind all the way to pirate legend, then congratulations but that's no reason at all to force other people through the same hell when a better solution could be implemented. I disagree 100% and think Rare needs to get on it as soon as possible.
@a-hawkzxx you know what would also "lower" player activity? Having PVE based players or even new players leave the game early due to the fact that PVP essential player are always looking for a kill. In it's current state, having any drastic change to the games core mechanic has a chance to negatively affect the game.
Rare is doing a good job lowering the need for people to engage in combat with all of these updates that encourage teamplay, which makes players wanting a PVE experience more save. But until the game has and supports the content to host different servers or modes we have to compromise. And not pick on the PVE enjoyment that a lot of players want.
I having nothing against PVE servers, I just think that they shouldn't have the ability to level up your character. I understand that you say life isn't fair but if you believe we should have PVE servers, you're cheap. When you buy a pirate game, you should expect to get attacked. You shouldn't always believe that you're going to find the easy way out. Rare added ways to be able to level up your character that make it less stressful but to add PVE servers is going to be a bad idea. I think people should enjoy the experience before finding a cheap way out of it.
@a-hawkzxx Wanting to avoid interaction with randoms in a game I bought for my own personal enjoyment is not "a cheap way out". It's simply a different type of gamer that enjoys a different type of game design. Rare is trying to gateway casuals and solo players into the trashy world of PVP and is just creating anger. PVE can offer plenty of challenges if the development efforts are put in. There wouldn't be so many requests for change if Rare had been straight forward about the main gameplay focus of this game being PVP but they advertised it as a "Shared World Adventure" with pvp as a rare encounter that keeps you on your toes. This was the biggest lie that triggered the wave of frustration and players abandoning the game almost as soon as they picked it up.
@a-hawkzxx said in PVP vs PVE:
I having nothing against PVE servers, I just think that they shouldn't have the ability to level up your character. I understand that you say life isn't fair but if you believe we should have PVE servers, you're cheap. When you buy a pirate game, you should expect to get attacked. You shouldn't always believe that you're going to find the easy way out. Rare added ways to be able to level up your character that make it less stressful but to add PVE servers is going to be a bad idea. I think people should enjoy the experience before finding a cheap way out of it.
Should we also expect players to not level up by strictly PVP. What's their risk? They sail around steal sell,,and level..no stress on them. Is that any more fair? It might be slower than PVE...that's there call, but they don't have the same unbalanced game play mechanic to deal with. So maybe everyone should just PVP...oh wait someone has to do the content....
@blackelite-id16
Call me bitter then. You can have your PVE sever but you can only grind the three guilds. No skull forts, you get no rat adventures, nothing but those guilds. The servers shouldn’t have anything that is DLC related. I believe the game is fine and that is my opinion, nothing more and nothing less.Simple solution to pve servers, cap levels at 15 or even 25, and have gold returns for items be like 10% of what it is in the pvp version, with the cosmetics all being the same cost they are, which would make each set be “worth more” for roleplayers and kids and such, who would likely love a pve version of this game, and would likely dump way more money on stupid cosmetics for MTX and pets and things like that. We don’t want them to quit the game, we want continued development across the board. They could even have some exceptions like a person holding a skull fort key can be attacked and stunned by other players for example. They could call it Sea of Friends and just have an alternative menu to choose at the beggining when you start the game. Dead serious here I don’t see a reason why not. Just make smart decisions like capping levels and diminished gold returns and both sides get to play the game they want with minimal extra development effort, just flip the friendly fire switch for the entire server and then work out the small stuff like fort keys and how the other pvp elements they add will be turned off or repurposed effectively for that game mode.
I really enjoy the PvP aspect of the game as it is, it adds an exciting element of fear to the game. I have been slowly but surely trying to get to legend with my various crews and we have lost loot to enemy crews along the way, but on the other hand, through some intense PvP encounters we have taken loot from other crews also. It is frustrating sometimes, but i love the fact it isnt easy to get to legend and there is a real chance that someone can come and take all your loot onboard at a moments notice.
We just change our strategy for each encounter and hope it works, sometimes it doesnt but every encounter helps you to learn to deal with the next.When you buy a pirate game, you should automatically expect PVP. I promise you that Rare is being extremely generous with the weekly updates and events they have released and are still releasing. People should be a little more thankful rather then constantly asking Rare to add more and more content that would make the game easier. Stick with what you have now. Like you said @BlackElite-ID16 "Life isn't fair" so deal with what you've got now.
People that want to enjoy the PVE experience shouldn't be left out, nor is having something PVE oriented a "terrible" idea. Until the game further develops to the point where the separation is more doable without greatly impacting the game why not have an alternative?
Other open world ish games have elements like dungeons or sections of a map where it's just you and your crew doing PVE. All players would still be in the same world with access to the same experience but there could be separate sections or arenas where PVP wouldn't be a concern.
Rewards can still be earned and there could even be specialty rewards. The Forsaken Shores is adding to the map so it wouldn't be a far fetch.
@a-hawkzxx said in PVP vs PVE:
When you buy a pirate game, you should automatically expect PVP. I promise you that Rare is being extremely generous with the weekly updates and events they have released and are still releasing. People should be a little more thankful rather then constantly asking Rare to add more and more content that would make the game easier. Stick with what you have now. Like you said @BlackElite-ID16 "Life isn't fair" so deal with what you've got now.
Constantly asking for PVE content...content comes out aimed at PVE...can't be connected...nope.
@highlordsaber said in PVP vs PVE:
@a-hawkzxx said in PVP vs PVE:
When you buy a pirate game, you should automatically expect PVP. I promise you that Rare is being extremely generous with the weekly updates and events they have released and are still releasing. People should be a little more thankful rather then constantly asking Rare to add more and more content that would make the game easier. Stick with what you have now. Like you said @BlackElite-ID16 "Life isn't fair" so deal with what you've got now.
I just had a look at the Microsoft Store reviews for this game. Roughly 25% of the reviews are one start out of 5 starts. That is that one in four people hate this game in its current state.
The most common complaints are the lack of content (getting better over time), the rough start for new players, and the constant and relentless nature of the PvP.
Ask most any PVP player...it has nothing to do with the way they play...the others just need to get good. Everyone else is just wrong apparently.
@inboundbomb said in PVP vs PVE:
@dragonsire2016 That’s why it’s called a PvEvP and it’s fine just the way it is.
So everyone else is wrong. whew guess people should start buying again.
@dragonsire2016 said in PVP vs PVE:
@inboundbomb said in PVP vs PVE:
@dragonsire2016 That’s why it’s called a PvEvP and it’s fine just the way it is.
So everyone else is wrong. whew guess people should start buying again.
Everyone should learn what the game truly is and not what they want it to be. You can always improve but never take away the core element of what this game is sir.
@a-hawkzxx
I agree that separate servers are not the answer.
With these bi-weekly events a lot of people are too consumed by getting the doubloons and commendations and I've found that it's actually hard to get a sea battle started. Not that I am the aggressor but the other night my regular helmsman wanted to release some pent up stress and ships ran rather than fought simply because they were fixated on finding merfolk statues.I can also see how some pirate legends would feel cheated by people buying the last few rep points and I personally will do it by the original method. Not that there's anything wrong with buying the last few as it is now a feature of the game and not a cheat per say.
Plus the fact that you have to get within reach of purchasing the last few anyway and you do work to get the doubloons. It's just a quicker alternative.I have had enough rep and doubloons to be a pirate legend weeks ago. But I'm in no hurry to get to the end game. To each their own. :o)
This has been done to death. I do not think they will ever separate PvP and PvE. This game is great as it is and you can avoid PvP if you are careful.
I do believe we need more events/content like the Megladon and skeleton thrones where you need to team up and they need to be continuous and replayable. This will help alleviate some PvP, some people are going to fight just to fight, but most people are objective driven and will look to team.
The new alliance feature may help and I think they need to create ports, I have posted the ports idea before but having these to plunder, with some needing multiple crews to accomplish will also foster teamwork and lessen the need for PvP.
@taximan92 said in PVP vs PVE:
You no you can say all this but 2/4 hours doing a athena and there is people they rip it of you in 3 minutes man man you talk bullcrap!
Its a realy good idea to make pve and pvp lobbys!
Have you ever heard of defending yourself? It’s not hard to fight back and win.
The magic of this game is that PVE can turn into PVP at any second. Treasure is like the flag in capture the flag. Playing capture the flag alone is about as fun as it sounds.
All this PVE and PVP talk is just odd. The game is both always. Even if you form these Alliances with the whole server.
Anyone can turn on you at any moment. Someone on the server wants to make a highlight reel,Or they are done for day and want to go out with a bang and attacks ya.
These events made in discord are small tight groups. I have never been in one or even knew they existed until Summit1G went all Fox news on the 15-25 age demographic.
Telling them they are everywhere!!! Its either PVP or PVE which are you? He was saying xShumbaX is PVE god... when xshumbax plays the whole game PVE/PVP guy fills his ship then goes attacking other ships with crazy loot onboard. He just doesnt server hop every 30 min and actually is actually good at all aspects of the game.
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