Parlay? (player griefing is a problem)

@codename-snugs I'm guessing you havent been here long. The topic of safe zones (no matter what you call them) has been discussed to death so yeah a dead horse.

Any form of Parlay/ safezone/ whatever is just weird because suddenly you cannot do things you otherwise could. And who'se stopping other pirates from "Helping" you cash in the loot?

Like soooo many have suggested before me:
Just dont park at an outpost when there's another ship already parked. Other players are more then happy to releave you of your ship and loot. It's part of the game.

@hoppentosse said in Parlay? (player griefing is a problem):

Why? Because an outpost should have an interest in protecting its customers, otherwise they won't come anymore. The outpost could also reject the attacker for a certain period of time, stop doing business with him, or suspend a bounty.

Nah they just care for skulls chickens and treasure. Doesnt matter to them who cashes it in :-P

@codename-snugs I don't think you understand what a parlay is. A parlay doesn't mean you get to keep your goods. Just means you get to talk about the possibility of keeping them.

As a solo sloop captain, I can tell you that there are so many ways to avoid the situations you describe. What you're asking for isn't necessary.

I would love for them to improve the comms in-game - allow XBox players to use both party and in-game chat, for example... like their PC counterparts. But, a safe-time/zone isn't necessary.

@hoppentosse How does the "watchtower" recognize an enemy ship vs. another ship that simply wishes to conduct business?

@hoppentosse Define "starts the fight"? If the player at the outpost boards the approaching ship and kills the players with pistols, will the watchtower somehow recognize this? At what distance?

My point is that this could easily be used by outpost campers as a griefing tool.

I too get very frustrated with this but I also do understand that this is a pirate game and to expect to be attacked at some time. But when you spend over an hour collecting skulls and chests and then to lose it all with no reward for effort is very off putting to say the least. You can always skuttle your ship so it gets lost out at sea and know one gets it but as for the outposts or when your busy on a island just need to be cautious. I would like to see reward for completing the voyage, at least that way if you do lose all you hard earned treasure you would still have something that can’t be stolen.

@bran-the-ent said in Parlay? (player griefing is a problem):

@hoppentosse Define "starts the fight"? If the player at the outpost boards the approaching ship and kills the players with pistols, will the watchtower somehow recognize this? At what distance?

My point is that this could easily be used by outpost campers as a griefing tool.

To add onto this as another downside; If the "towers" fire on who fires the first shot, all the attacker would have to do is send one of their crewmates onto the other ship and fire a single cannon shot....The "towers" would then start attacking the friendly ship? Since in the "tower's" eyes the "friendly" would be the aggressor... The island would do their work for them lol

@codename-snugs said in Parlay? (player griefing is a problem):

Ok, so I GET this is a pirate game and you should expect to get.....pirated. But come on, the PvP in this game is making it NOT FUN for single players and small crews. I myself have been the target of multiple attacks just because I am alone and an easy target. Believe me it isn't fun to see my hard work get taken away by opportunists that cannot be bothered to put in any effort themselves.

That said, I believe if you are on the open sea or even at an island, you are fair game. Check your surroundings before making landfall and be swift on your feet. Check behind rocks before digging up your chests in case a pirate is hiding in wait to shoot you in the back the moment your shovel hits a chest (yes, that's happened to me too).

However, I believe that once at an outpost (or close proximity), there should be some system in place to protect yourself and your ship from getting bombarded with cannonballs by a waiting galleon, who then pluck your treasure from the sea whilst you spawn on the other side of the map with no hope of ever reaching it.

So, how about some form of in game 'parlay' that can be invoked at outposts (maybe similar to the passive mode in GTA V Online) that stops you from being attackable (is that a word?) for a few minutes at most, but enough that you can offload your hard earned booty without fear of death?

Just my thoughts, feel free to discuss as I would like to hear opinions on this :o)

If you yell out parlay (at least if im killing you) I will stop selling your loot for a moment to at least listen. Better have a trade though or a deal to get me money ;)

Also, no safe zones, no passive modes. Sorry

@aarghmaargho said in Parlay? (player griefing is a problem):

A parlay system could actually be added.
Once a crew uses it their characters sit down with their hands behind their head, the ship becomes invulnerable and anchored. Your loot and supplies stay accesable for other crews.
There needs to be a timer though for a minimum amount of time to let the parlay last so it can't be abused to tank cannonballs.

This adds a way for people to surrender and for the person attacking still gain their loot/resources. While the "loser" can still keep his ship instead of having it spawn islands away.

Safezones etc. NO!

Invulnurable ships? Are you saying you want to take away my freedom to decide if I sink a sip or not? Are f*****s going to magically p**f away the cannonballs? No sir, no safe zone or invulnurability shenanigans.

@aarghmaargho Did I say I wanted to see the world burn? Never said that. I want to be able to shoot a hole in a ship, just like I can now. You're not suggesting adding features you're suggesting to take things away from the playerbase. Who said said people have loot on board? They might be just some guys trying to harass me and my crew and when we finally got them on the ropes and about to sink them they do a stupid emote and magically become immune.

Look at the reactions here, people agree it's a bad Idea. Have you seen anything that makes a ship immune? not even your own ship is that's because there should be some danger to lose your ship. Give me the freedom to choose don't choose for me.

@aarghmaargho
Don't assume to know me just because you were in a discord with me for a while. I cannot remember ever playing with you and if I did I'm sure you've not seen all my playing moods.

Strange thing about gamers they can adopt different playstyles for different gaming sessions, sometimes I want to sink ships, sometimes I bring treasure and often I steal stuff without sinking anyone. Now with a system where a player can suddenly and magically make his ship immune this would break the immersion and my choise to play the way I used to. I cannot sink a ship if someone has a magic immune button, even if it makes him or her go prone.

Adding things that take away controll over a certain situation or aspect of a game is still taking away.

@tralalakk Remember this post again when you decide to level your merchant, and need to go alone to that specific outpost to deliver your animals that took 1 or 2 hours to get, and me or anyone else are camped there without any boat just to kill your animals.

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally in favour of not having safe zones, but this is indeed the only situation i think there should be some sort of mechanism to help the ones that need to be on that spot at that time.

And mate, this is just my opinion, as well as yours that said for the 10th time today basically what "griefers" say: "git gud"

@aarghmaargho Again, this isn't what a parlay is... a parlay (or parley) is a discussion, not a surrender. It's a call for an armistice or cease-fire to engage in a discussion with the opposing side without fear of attack until the parlay is complete. It may be a means of negotiating terms of surrender, but it isn't surrender.

In a game such as this, I don't think it's a good idea to actually create a parlay mechanic. You can do it with the Speaking Trumpet (and it would work even better if the range was increased by at least another Galleon's length) or in-game chat. The opposing side could choose to agree to parlay... or not.