@karatemonkey800 Please cry some more. All childishness aside, adding a flag hurts nobody. Trying to make it political is a choice you are making yourself right now. If you don't want politics in SoT, I suggest not adding them. ;)
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@whenkoalasattak said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 Please cry some more. All childishness aside, adding a flag hurts nobody. Trying to make it political is a choice you are making yourself right now. If you don't want politics in SoT, I suggest not adding them. ;)
Rare officially announced it as a pride flag, that's political. I have no problem with the flag AT ALL. I just don't want politics in games, that's it.
@whenkoalasattak said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 I mean it literally is the pride flag...
It's a political statement and I want none of it in my game life.
@karatemonkey800 It's not political at all lol. If it bothers you that much I suggest not flying it. ;)
@whenkoalasattak said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 It's not political at all l**o. If it bothers you that much I suggest not flying it. ;)
That statement shows your bias, it is an absolute political statement made in a time when virtue signaling has become the norm.
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@whenkoalasattak said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 Please cry some more. All childishness aside, adding a flag hurts nobody. Trying to make it political is a choice you are making yourself right now. If you don't want politics in SoT, I suggest not adding them. ;)
Rare officially announced it as a pride flag, that's political. I have no problem with the flag AT ALL. I just don't want politics in games, that's it.
Please show me the quote where they announced it as the pride flag. From what I read, they said it represents no discrimination based on color, gender, creed or sexual orientation, not gay pride.
@karatemonkey800 I mean everyone has a political opinion. This is not politically a flag. This is objectively the pride flag. Homophobia isn't politics, it's a terrible trait in some humans.
@whenkoalasattak said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 I mean everyone has a political opinion. This is not politically a flag. This is objectively the pride flag. Homophobia isn't politics, it's a terrible trait in some humans.
No, objectively it is a rainbow flag, the moment you call it a pride flag it becomes a political statement.
I expected you to insinuate that I am homophobic, I knew it was coming. I'm not by the way.@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu It was in the latest developer update video
So they said something different than what is in the patch notes below?
Rainbow flag - A new flag has been added to all pirates' flag inventory! Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed."
@itsporkchopfu said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu It was in the latest developer update video
So they said something different than what is in the patch notes below?
Rainbow flag - A new flag has been added to all pirates' flag inventory! Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed."
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@itsporkchopfu said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu It was in the latest developer update video
So they said something different than what is in the patch notes below?
Rainbow flag - A new flag has been added to all pirates' flag inventory! Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed."
Its at 4:07 ish in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvcyQl43XFE&t=11s
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu It was in the latest developer update video
So they said something different than what is in the patch notes below?
Rainbow flag - A new flag has been added to all pirates' flag inventory! Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed."
Its at 4:07 ish in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvcyQl43XFE&t=11s
I just listened to the video and he just said ‘pride flag’. I see how this could be misunderstood as gay pride, but since they clarified the meaning in their patch notes, it is simply not political and does not mean what people are assuming.
Even though I'm part of the group they're showing support for, I wish they had gone about this differently. For example, they could have given us a system for customizable flags that included a rainbow background as one of the options. I doubt anyone would have been upset about that. But no, they very clearly wanted to make a specific statement: "It's a pride flag released during pride month. Rare supports pride."
I find these shows of solidarity a bit strange in areas where equal rights under the law exist now (i.e. UK, US, etc.). But there may be people who play the game in areas where these identities or expressions of these identities are still unequal under the law, or flat-out against the law period (i.e. some areas of the Middle East, Russia, etc.) Maybe the option of a pride flag would bolster their spirits a little bit, give them a little more hope that someday things might be different where they live. I don't know, I can't say for certain how much good it would do.
I'm personally torn on this issue. If they decide this is a political stance they openly want to present in their game, I think people should be allowed to express dissent or dislike. People can vote with their wallets and refuse to buy the game/play the game/spend money in whatever cash store they come out with because of this. But in the end it's Rare's call and I doubt forum complaints are going to change their minds.
I'm going to fly the flag not because I'm part of the LGBT community, but because I like rainbows and bright colors. I wish it hadn't gotten political.
@itsporkchopfu said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu It was in the latest developer update video
So they said something different than what is in the patch notes below?
Rainbow flag - A new flag has been added to all pirates' flag inventory! Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed."
Its at 4:07 ish in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvcyQl43XFE&t=11s
I just listened to the video and he just said ‘pride flag’. I see how this could be misunderstood as gay pride, but since they clarified the meaning in their patch notes, it is simply not political and does not mean what people are assuming.
I'm not sure what other rainbow colored "pride" flag exists, but I think we are in basic agreement here. If it is simply a rainbow flag I have 0 issues with it. If it is meant to be a political statement then I am 100% against it. I am a reasonable person, I will concede that making that distinction is a subjective decision.
@whenkoalasattak said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 Please cry some more. All childishness aside, adding a flag hurts nobody. Trying to make it political is a choice you are making yourself right now. If you don't want politics in SoT, I suggest not adding them. ;)
Be careful my dude. I know of a few flags that even you probably don't want to see. To say that a flag hurts nobody is not completely true. There is a reason why battle flags exist. As a matter of fact, flags would not exist if not for the need to intimidate an adversary. At the same time giving a people a symbol to fight behind. When a soldier sees a flag fall it will cause great pain or extreme happiness, depending on point of view. This is why people burn flags. This is why people stand behind them as well. How do you think the J**s felt about the N**i flag during the 1930's? How about the southern Christian army flags used by the KKK?
I personally sink a lot of boats. After the last boat sunk we were invited to party. My son joined only to be called a homophobe because we sank a boat with a couple of gay boys on board. Here we have two gay people who believe that because they are gay, I am not allowed to attack them in a video game. This flag business is opening doors that many people are not ready for. This is game community is forever changed with the introduction of political flags.@irish9399 I agree with all of what you said. And I hope I have made it clear that my objections are not at all aimed at the gay pride flag or the LGBT community, only at politics in gaming.
@spectrazy666 said in Sea-NN!:
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I could barely read that comment. Maybe take some time to write out full words and sentences.
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu It was in the latest developer update video
So they said something different than what is in the patch notes below?
Rainbow flag - A new flag has been added to all pirates' flag inventory! Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed."
Its at 4:07 ish in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvcyQl43XFE&t=11s
I just listened to the video and he just said ‘pride flag’. I see how this could be misunderstood as gay pride, but since they clarified the meaning in their patch notes, it is simply not political and does not mean what people are assuming.
I'm not sure what other rainbow colored "pride" flag exists, but I think we are in basic agreement here. If it is simply a rainbow flag I have 0 issues with it. If it is meant to be a political statement then I am 100% against it. I am a reasonable person, I will concede that making that distinction is a subjective decision.
I guess I just have a hard time understanding how sexuality is a political issue. Yeah, I get some people inject it into politics pretty frequently. They do the same thing with violence and crime, the backbone of this game. They do the same thing with gender roles, yet my female pirate tends to be the captain. Hell, the internet itself has recently become a political discussion. You can associate anything with politics, but acceptance of people regardless of sexuality isn't something I consider a political issue, just a human decency issue. The flag isn't dictating anyones sexuality, it is simply a signal of acceptance regardless of what yours may be.
I get the aversion of political statements in the game, I really do. I just disagree on this being a political thing.
@itsporkchopfu simply put, you can't fly a world renown flag and decide that when "you" fly it, the meaning is different from the rest of the world. Fact is, some flags have been made illegal because of the meaning behind them. Even the manner in which you fly some flags is regulated by law.
@drunkpunk138 said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu It was in the latest developer update video
So they said something different than what is in the patch notes below?
Rainbow flag - A new flag has been added to all pirates' flag inventory! Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed."
Its at 4:07 ish in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvcyQl43XFE&t=11s
I just listened to the video and he just said ‘pride flag’. I see how this could be misunderstood as gay pride, but since they clarified the meaning in their patch notes, it is simply not political and does not mean what people are assuming.
I'm not sure what other rainbow colored "pride" flag exists, but I think we are in basic agreement here. If it is simply a rainbow flag I have 0 issues with it. If it is meant to be a political statement then I am 100% against it. I am a reasonable person, I will concede that making that distinction is a subjective decision.
I guess I just have a hard time understanding how sexuality is a political issue. Yeah, I get some people inject it into politics pretty frequently. They do the same thing with violence and crime, the backbone of this game. They do the same thing with gender roles, yet my female pirate tends to be the captain. Hell, the internet itself has recently become a political discussion. You can associate anything with politics, but acceptance of people regardless of sexuality isn't something I consider a political issue, just a human decency issue. The flag isn't dictating anyones sexuality, it is simply a signal of acceptance regardless of what yours may be.
I get the aversion of political statements in the game, I really do. I just disagree on this being a political thing.
You're absolutely right! On the internet, TV, movies... everything is political. That's why I want my games to be the last bastion of sanity, the decompression chamber if you will. I totally support human decency and practice it with everyone I encounter.
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu said in Sea-NN!:
@karatemonkey800 said in Sea-NN!:
@itsporkchopfu It was in the latest developer update video
So they said something different than what is in the patch notes below?
Rainbow flag - A new flag has been added to all pirates' flag inventory! Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed."
Its at 4:07 ish in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvcyQl43XFE&t=11s
I just listened to the video and he just said ‘pride flag’. I see how this could be misunderstood as gay pride, but since they clarified the meaning in their patch notes, it is simply not political and does not mean what people are assuming.
I'm not sure what other rainbow colored "pride" flag exists, but I think we are in basic agreement here. If it is simply a rainbow flag I have 0 issues with it. If it is meant to be a political statement then I am 100% against it. I am a reasonable person, I will concede that making that distinction is a subjective decision.
The ‘pride’ they describe below is not the gay pride movement, therefore it is not part of that political statement. Intentionally trying to associate politics, despite Rare explaining otherwise, is manufacturing false facts and creating an argument for a problem that doesn’t exist.
Stop trying to bring politics into this. People either accept freedom of diversity (age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality, creed), which is what this flag represents, or they believe their own baseless version of the truth and/or hate diversity.
Rainbow flag - A new flag has been added to all pirates' flag inventory! Article 1 of the Pirate Code states that, "Everyone is welcome on the Sea of Thieves regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, nationality or creed."
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