Crossplay is hell

@kokkerotsnot said in Crossplay is hell:

First off, I have read and followed the entire crossplay megathread before it was closed.

I'm afraid that a lot of xbox players that have put in the hard yards to get their factions above 45 will at some point notice that PC players are simply unbeatable in this game. We tried to hit a galleon earlier today who had 3 or more PC players on and the results were catastrophic (for us that is). They moved and jumped around the galleon with such precision and ease that it seemed like they were lagging - appearing and re-appearing all over the place - they were that fast (for the PC players reading too much into this: no, it wasn't actual lag). I enjoyed the fight, and would've wanted to fight against them for experience, but they obliterated myself and my crew.

As scarce as some people claim PC players to be in this game, they simply have too large of an advantage, and will ruin your experience while on console when you go toe-to-toe with them.

Further to this, I would also like to know how many xboxers are even on this forum to begin with, as I'm not sure how many xboxers are aware of the crossplay. This may be because they haven't played the game that much that they can actually tell the difference or they don't analyse a fight after winning or losing.

I have read a lot of posts on this forum about the optional crossplay and can say that the forced crossplay will be the bane of this game for console players: my fellow xboxers, you will at some point encounter a crew who are on PC - they will move more precise, dodge your hits; shoot more accurately; aim more steadily. Unless you are crewed together with other PC players, you will have no answer to their onslaught. After this game-changing encounter you will soon realise that you cannot simply sail up to a sloop and blow it out of the water with your xbox crew as it can take one experienced PC player to ruin your crew.

Fairness was clearly not an option for Rare when they considered crossplay.

Yes, xboxers will likely play the game to do the events, but actively partipate in PVP is not an option for the more experienced or higher level xboxers as we have come to see what havoc a PC player (or, heaven forbid, a full crew of PC players) can do to four, high level, experienced console players.

I refuse to accept the barage of "get good" replies to my post coming in. I have been playing FPS'ers on console since I was in short trousers and can hold my own on FPS games.

I am shocked that someone at Rare actually play tested this and said "hell yeah, this is an awesome idea. Have people on console and PC fight each other for steal-able loot in CQC situations". What were you guys thinking? I would understand if it was a pure PVE game where you could team up with PC in co-op content (but then the die-hard endgame PC players wouldn't want to team up with us consolers because the PC inputs are far more superior to that of console - so guess what? Even PVE co-op games have crossplay set as optional!)

It's like sending a team of paralympians to the olympics and saying "All's fair, we promise, now get on with it".

After a lot of reading and obvious saltiness (I even changed my gamertag), the most common replies to these types of posts were:

1. "optional crossplay will kill the game for PC players";
   No it won't. All games prior to this title were segrigated (and I can see why) and flourished. PC games would've died decades ago if crossplay with consoles was such a massive requirement for the PC community to stay alive. You're thriving as a community well before this game came out with the rediculous idea to throw us all in the same arena.

2. "if it were optional to crossplay with PC, xbox players would switch it off";

Cheese, I wonder why.

3. "crossplay is the future of gaming";

aye, no arguments here - it certainly is, but not in PVP-driven game where the sole objective is to grind steal-able loot to gain faction rep.

4. "what about 3rd party input devices for console? Should they have their own servers too";

if consolers want to use keyboard and mouse input devices, let them. Even if crossplay is optional, the amount of people using these 3rd party inputs on console-only servers would be decimal at best. The chance of finding these people on a console-only server would be minimal compared to encountering a PC player at this stage. Moreso, there is no chance that I will be buying a 3rd party device and set up my console like PC and sit behind a desk.

I chalenge a Community manager to share Rare's reason to make this game forced crossplay compatable. "It will bring the communities together" is the likely response I'm expecting to get. Allthough they might be right for now, I cannot see how they will be able to sustain this going forward as more and more xboxers will get to the point where they realise how stark the diferrence is between the platforms.

I would like to be able to spot a galleon on the horizon and attack it without trying to calculate the odds of a PC player or two being on board that vessel. Make the fight fair(er) by splitting up these two platforms please. The jumping and swiping strategy from PC players is ruining the balance in this game and, no, you cannot remap the controller to mimic this - I tried to remap for a week.

PC players have to play on console for a couple of months to get a real feel for the difference. Put yourself in our shoes. It's not fun getting ganked and being left without any option but to stop resisting and skuttle so you can get onto another server which, fingers crossed, doesn't have a PC crew / disband your group and beg some PC players to come and assist on voyages.

Rare - accept the fact that you messed up with this. I understand that the whole gaming community is watching and analysing how your forced world pans out. Pull the plug before you lose the devoted console players who you will be relying on most to provide your game with continuity.

This is also not an isolated event either. It has happened on multiple occassions where we have no answer to the barrage.

The game is also still in its infancy. All PC players will eventually learn that xboxers cannot fight back in CQC and they are starting to exploit that during PVP-situations. Obviosuly, this will lead to an even bigger gap between console and PC: that even noob PC players would be able to exploit our weaknesses.

To a console player who has seen this in action multiple times, the advantage PC players have looks like magic as we cannot possibly recreate the way they play.

Xbox guy here. I dont have any of these problems. I have sunk more pc players than i can count

@nwo-azcrack said in Crossplay is hell:

Xbox guy here. I dont have any of these problems. I have sunk more pc players than i can count

I guarantee that if you play against me when I am on PC I would take out you and the rest of your Xbox crew.

Plain and simple: PC has an advantage over Xbox. Even the lead Xbox engineer Mike Ybarra has acknowledged that fact.

Stop denying the truth.

Cross play for this and any shooters should be optional until a controller is the only control device supported.

@jmftgtav
Lol keep dreamin mate. Ill play ya a tune as i watch you sink. You guys just have no skill at all. Its obvious to everyone who has any. Ops post is full of ramblings about impossible things. Keep tellin yourself your at a disadvantage. Gotta have an excuse for losing right?

@nayfe-pacewell
You can do a 180 in a single jump. I do it everytime i come up the ladder on a sloop and jump down to the lower lvl with my loot

@nayfe-pacewell
You have no clue. Keep cryin mates. I need more tears for the seas. Its just an excuse for lack of skill. Rare has already said crossplay is here to stay. Might as well start tryin to get better now

@nwo-azcrack Make all the false claims you want.

You're safe because the developers made sure that players can't challenge other players to meet on servers.

Why do you think they did this?

Because then it would be obvious to Xbox players how cross play is unfair to consoles.

@jmftgtav
Whatever helps you sleep at night. You have done nothin but cry since your first post. You just need xbox servers to help u feel better about losing. Enjoy the ferry of the damned, because i know u see alot of it

@nwo-azcrack My guess is you don't even own an Xbox and simply enjoy trolling any post that condemns cross play.

Well have fun this is the last time I reply to you.

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@jmftgtav
Like i said, whatever helps you sleep. Ppl are always quick to blame anyone but themselves. I know for a fact you have no skill. Or you would never cry about crossplay. Oh well. Better hope i dont see u on the seas. U gonna need all the "advantage" your pc can give u.

I stopped reading at "PC players are simply unbeatable."

I don't play on Xbone. I die & sink all of the time.

If you don't like it, then you shouldn't have started playing. This game was advertised as a cross-platform game. Rare has repeatedly stated they do not want to divide the playerbase in any way. Rare has also pointed to their own statistics showing the advantage PC users have over xbox is minimal, at best (will have to search for the article/video this was stated).

The tears only keep the seas salty. :)

@nwo-azcrack said in Crossplay is hell:

@nayfe-pacewell
You can do a 180 in a single jump. I do it everytime i come up the ladder on a sloop and jump down to the lower lvl with my loot

so i read that as ' i can do a 180 jump, i just need more falling distance to complete the 180.' He obviously meant a 180 on flat ground.

@braxkedren said in Crossplay is hell:

https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/post/763976

All you need to know. This has already been discussed. No need to rehash this stuff.

Calling @Deckhands to close this thread down as we already have a thread.

maybe that thread you linked to should be shut down? Intentionally derailing a topic , by talking about coffee, to get it locked? Pretty sure @Deckhands should be looking at those posts. New thread definitely warranted.

Story time...Our regular crew has a PC player. He knows he has advantages over the rest of our crew. We test. this by doing the following:
Race from the helm stairs, down to the bottom deck, bow end, then back upstairs to the helm. First one to reach the wheel wins. EVERY TIME the PC player wins by about2.5 seconds, assuming no one gets stuck or caught on scenery. We also have these races from point to point on islands.
So what does that mean?
It means that one group of players can spend longer on an island before returning to ship and preparing for an incoming ship. That group of players can complete pve faster than another group. Arent shovels all the same because everyone should take the same amount of time completing pve?
More importantly, imagine you arent racing about the ship with a mate. Imagine you are in a very close sea battle, and one group of players can go downstairs, patch holes and bail water, then be back on a cannon or watching a ladder 2 seconds faster than other groups. If its more than 1 bucket, that 2 seconds quickly expands to 4, 5, or 6 seconds.
In those close contests, a few seconds can easily make the difference to success or failure.
I believe one of the 'founding principles ' of the game is. 'no advantage'. This is just one example of that founding principal not being adhered to.

I play on xbox. I've beaten pc players, and I've been beaten by pc players. Some players are better than you regardless of what system you're using, and regardless of what system they're using. I'm glad this game crossplays, I think the survival of the xbox depends on crossplay. And not for nothing, I'm not going to be sympathetic when you say "we tried to hit a galleon and got obliterated." You and your crew bit off more than you could chew, don't pick fights if your PvP isn't up to snuff.

@logansdadtoo
Problem is that Microsoft calls the shots on crossplay, not Rare.