Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it

  • Murkrage
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    I just had the pleasure of being repeatedly called: 'A [Mod edited] griefer' together with my crew.

    My crew and I were sailing towards a fort when it got defeated. We saw a sloop there so we made a run for it and got there as fast as we could. They lowered their sails and sailed away to Ancient Spire. We tried to get on, they killed our crewmate and one of them was swimming to the outpost to sell the skull. Very well done on their part.

    At this point there were 3 sloops and a galleon at the outpost, we were the galleon. A crewmate and I commandeered two sloops and went after the sloop that came from the fort. This was quite fun actually, the sloop owners in turn took over our galleon.

    My crewmate checked the fort, they left everything except the stronghold items. I went after them towards plunder outpost. I got there a little too late, they had already turned in their chest. Good on them!

    When I got there, though, this is what they send over chat: "You're too late [Mod edited] griefer, we turned it in". So I went: "Griefer? What do you mean?"

    I got shot and killed by 2 blunderbuss shots as I was typing that. Anyway, we went back to the fort and got everything else. Wind was towards Plunder outpost, so we went there to save time. Their sloop was approaching us head on while saying: "[Mod edited] you griefers!"

    Okay... hold up. That is NOT griefing, what we did is in every sense of the word: Pirating.

    This happens quite often as well, people mistakenly take stealing their loot for griefing. It might be called griefing in Minecraft, where this term is most popular and stealing is considered griefing your base, but in this game that's being called a regular player of the Sea of Thieves.

    For the love of Merrick, learn the difference between pirating and griefing.

    p.s: We turned in the rest of the stuff :)

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  • Guepard4
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    Many people thinks pirate = merchant.

    Probably part of the fault is the title of pirate legend. Something you can get without doing PVP.

    In fact I have not yet found a single Pirate Legend good in pvp (I do not say they do not exist, but most should not be or I have been soo lucky).

    In order to be pirate legend, besides being 50 50 50, you should have to sink X ships, kill Y people, steal Z tresaures, etc.

  • xCALYPT0x
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    @guepard4 I disagree. That would make almost every encounter hostile because they have to be to become PL.

  • Genuine Heather
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    @xcalypt0x said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    @guepard4 I disagree. That would make almost every encounter hostile because they have to be to become PL.

    Exactly.

  • Lady Aijou
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    @Murkrage Please refrain from swearing on our forums, including the use of symbols to circumvent the profanity filter. It is a violation of our Forum rules, and your post was edited accordingly.

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  • Celestron90
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    This is the first game where I've had to tell people "You are not cut out for this. Go back to Hello Kitty Island Adventure" Lol. You gotta roll with the punches on this game more then any I've ever played. Alot of people can't take it it seems... Gamers are soft people.

  • Murkrage
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    @lady-aijou said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    @Murkrage Please refrain from swearing on our forums, including the use of symbols to circumvent the profanity filter. It is a violation of our Forum rules, and your post was edited accordingly.

    Obscene and Vulgar Language
    Swearing is not permitted on the Forums and a profanity filter is in place to block it. Attempts to bypass the profanity filter will result in a temporary ban from the Forums and a final warning. If the action continues, a permanent ban from the Forums will be issued.

    Was not aware of this, my apologies. I indeed tried to mask it to make sure it's not right there in the open.

  • xCALYPT0x
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    @celestron90 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    This is the first game where I've had to tell people "You are not cut out for this. Go back to Hello Kitty Island Adventure" Lol. You gotta roll with the punches on this game more then any I've ever played. Alot of people can't take it it seems... Gamers are soft people.

    Pretty much this. Can't remember the last time I met the enemy on the Ferry and wasn't called a whole slew of words that the forum gods would frown upon.

  • Vaca Hombre
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    @murkrage

    Eh, jerks don't care about literary accuracy. Whether it be griefer, hacker, carebear, or snowflake; people like that love their buzzwords.

    Just shrug it off and hope for more logical types next time.

  • el Dunco

    At this point its practically a badge of honor to be called a griefer in this game. Who needs to be a Pirate Legend when you can achieve Griefer status and actually be a scourge of the 3 seas?

  • Murkrage
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    @el-dunco Nice way of looking at it haha

  • Boxcar Squidy
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    Why do you think they changed the wording on the ferry to "other pirates" instead of "griefers"?

    I think this game is much harsher than its cartoony graphics and lush landscapes lead you to believe. The clue is in the name: Sea of Thieves - I think a lot of people thought that they would be the only ones doing the thieving, but at the risk of mixing my metaphors it turns out that when it's their turn in the barrel they don't like it up them.

    I've noticed that even people who attacked me in the first place will throw out the term griefer when I defend myself and send them to the depths. Seems all that griefer even means these days is "one who was victorious in combat"

  • wipe nd clean
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    @guepard4 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    In order to be pirate legend, besides being 50 50 50, you should have to sink X ships, kill Y people, steal Z tresaures, etc.

    I was going to say not a bad idea BUT... however this is a bad idea as everyone you saw would fight you in order to level those stats...

  • MrGrim67686

    @guepard4 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    Many people thinks pirate = merchant.

    Probably part of the fault is the title of pirate legend. Something you can get without doing PVP.

    In fact I have not yet found a single Pirate Legend good in pvp (I do not say they do not exist, but most should not be or I have been soo lucky).

    In order to be pirate legend, besides being 50 50 50, you should have to sink X ships, kill Y people, steal Z tresaures, etc.

    I've not yet found a single "legend" in game that wasn't an AFK leech.

  • Murkrage
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    @wipe-nd-clean said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    @guepard4 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    In order to be pirate legend, besides being 50 50 50, you should have to sink X ships, kill Y people, steal Z tresaures, etc.

    I was going to say not a bad idea BUT... however this is a bad idea as everyone you saw would fight you in order to level those stats...

    Like anything, there's two sides to it. I agree with OP that 'Pirate' legend should involve some sort of pirating to actually achieve it. Not just being a merchant trader.

    However, to level up sinking and killing other ships / players isn't the answer either because that would indeed encourage hostile behavior.

    There is a middle ground somewhere that we haven't found yet. But the one thing I agree with is that 'Pirate Legend' needs to have a from of piracy to be able to achieve it. Achievements like 'You Can Always Trust The Untrustworthy' would be ways to measure your piracy. To achieve this feat you have to steal someone's Captain's Chest and sell it. Now THAT is piracy.

  • Murkrage
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    @mrgrim67686 Join my game next week, I'll gladly be the first to NOT be an AFK leech haha

  • MrGrim67686

    @murkrage said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    @mrgrim67686 Join my game next week, I'll gladly be the first to NOT be an AFK leech haha

    Don't even want to do Athena. Limited play clock. You're on.

  • NWO Azcrack
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    @murkrage
    The only griefing in this game is done by your own teammates. Everything else is 100% avoidable. Dont let the non pirates bring u down mate

  • MrGrim67686

    An ode to those who mistake playing a pirate game with griefing:

  • Kustho
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    Dont you care for a second what others tell ya...play your game, and rejoice at their moaning an winning.

    Make them spawn in Wolrd of Warcraft and laugh about it.

  • Vaca Hombre
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    @wipe-nd-clean said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    I was going to say not a bad idea BUT... however this is a bad idea as everyone you saw would fight you in order to level those stats...

    It would also undermine one of Rare's repeated talking points, "Be the kind of pirate you want to be".

    After all, there are different kinds of legends. Some are brine-soaked terrors of the high-seas, others might be legendary for other reasons.

    My pirate, who is a slobby, decidedly non-threatening pacifist; I always viewed her eventual legend status as being more that everyone is just amazed she's somehow still alive and successful, given her laziness and apparant incompetence.

  • SA Tanks
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    Yeah, the way I'm slowly working towards Pirate Legend is only doing pvp and skull forts. Some nights i get uncontested forts. other times tons of ships at once. I love it when there is more ships, and we take them out one at a time. On a rare occasion, my crew gets beat so much we stop going for it but that doesnt happen as often as it does for other people it would seem seeing them cry so h*****n the forums. My way to get to PL will take a long time, but it is rewarding for me. I can't go around and do quest. It's the worst. PC player btw. :D

  • Genuine Heather
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    @mrgrim67686 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    @guepard4 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    Many people thinks pirate = merchant.

    Probably part of the fault is the title of pirate legend. Something you can get without doing PVP.

    In fact I have not yet found a single Pirate Legend good in pvp (I do not say they do not exist, but most should not be or I have been soo lucky).

    In order to be pirate legend, besides being 50 50 50, you should have to sink X ships, kill Y people, steal Z tresaures, etc.

    I've not yet found a single "legend" in game that wasn't an AFK leech.

    I’ve not met a single legend in the game that was an “AFK leech.” To the contrary, the ones I’ve met have been very skillful and accomplished players.

  • MrGrim67686

    @genuine-heather Well, if I lose a stick I know they’ll bring it back.

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    I'm unsure of who are legends when against them in PvP unless they're wearing purple. Even then, I'm usually on the ferry before I see them. lol
    But I must say I have have played with two pirate legends at different times and both put in equal amounts of work and effort as the rest of the crew.... for their time with us.

    Having said that, one did stick around for the entire voyage while the second stayed for about 15 minutes before saying that his PL crew were calling for him to join them.
    He returned about an hour and a half later saying that they did another Athena quest and a skull fort.

    Although I have no regrets, I must admit I had my doubts with his timing, leaving us with a crew of three only to return near the end. But I suppose I should give him the benefit of doubt as he did return when he didn't have to.
    It was the first taste of an Athena voyage for my regular sloop mate, so we were grateful to gain the experience and see what we have to face in the near future. It's looking pretty bleak. lol

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    @admiral-rrrsole We took one afk “legend”s chest to the Red Sea. Worth it.

  • a13on
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    It's so great when a galleon comes after you, you just sail into the wind to the nearest outpost and drop of all treasure right in front of their eyes. It's especially great if they just chased you for half an hour and get absolutely nothing. And if for some reason you can't escape, you just sail straight into the red sea. Nobody gets my treasure.

    Just reached 70k and bought my first hull. All black ship complete. I don't even bother using the cannons anymore, I just sail. I also don't collect resources anymore, so if you somehow get me, there's nothing there for you. And never more than four pieces of treasure, so I can deliver them in any case. God, I just love wasting galleons' time.

  • Wodyo

    @x1-two said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    It's so great when a galleon comes after you, you just sail into the wind to the nearest outpost and drop of all treasure right in front of their eyes. It's especially great if they just chased you for half an hour and get absolutely nothing. And if for some reason you can't escape, you just sail straight into the red sea. Nobody gets my treasure.

    Just reached 70k and bought my first hull. All black ship complete. I don't even bother using the cannons anymore, I just sail. I also don't collect resources anymore, so if you somehow get me, there's nothing there for you. And never more than four pieces of treasure, so I can deliver them in any case. God, I just love wasting galleons' time.

    LOL. Whatever floats your boat, I guess. Turning in 4 pieces of treasure sounds like an epic waste of time, to me. Maybe if it was 4 captain's chests, and I was surrounded by other ships? I might think about turning them in, then... maybe... doubtful, but maybe.

  • Business Beagle

    @murkrage id say dont take offence. Just enjoy the game and play it however you want. Dont let angry grind zombies that cant defend themselves ruin your experience with words

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    @genuine-heather said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    @mrgrim67686 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    @guepard4 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    Many people thinks pirate = merchant.

    Probably part of the fault is the title of pirate legend. Something you can get without doing PVP.

    In fact I have not yet found a single Pirate Legend good in pvp (I do not say they do not exist, but most should not be or I have been soo lucky).

    In order to be pirate legend, besides being 50 50 50, you should have to sink X ships, kill Y people, steal Z tresaures, etc.

    I've not yet found a single "legend" in game that wasn't an AFK leech.

    I’ve not met a single legend in the game that was an “AFK leech.” To the contrary, the ones I’ve met have been very skillful and accomplished players.

    Ive experimced the opposite. Most ive met have been afk to leech money or just super bad at pvp.

  • Genuine Heather
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    @toastywrath said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    @genuine-heather said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    @mrgrim67686 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    @guepard4 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    Many people thinks pirate = merchant.

    Probably part of the fault is the title of pirate legend. Something you can get without doing PVP.

    In fact I have not yet found a single Pirate Legend good in pvp (I do not say they do not exist, but most should not be or I have been soo lucky).

    In order to be pirate legend, besides being 50 50 50, you should have to sink X ships, kill Y people, steal Z tresaures, etc.

    I've not yet found a single "legend" in game that wasn't an AFK leech.

    I’ve not met a single legend in the game that was an “AFK leech.” To the contrary, the ones I’ve met have been very skillful and accomplished players.

    Ive experimced the opposite. Most ive met have been afk to leech money or just super bad at pvp.

    Maybe I've just been lucky.

  • MattyDove74
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    @celestron90 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    This is the first game where I've had to tell people "You are not cut out for this. Go back to Hello Kitty Island Adventure" Lol. You gotta roll with the punches on this game more then any I've ever played. Alot of people can't take it it seems... Gamers are soft people.

    Then you haven't played many full loot games....

  • Genuine Heather
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    @celestron90 said in Griefers vs. Pirates, people still don't get it:

    This is the first game where I've had to tell people "You are not cut out for this. Go back to Hello Kitty Island Adventure" Lol. You gotta roll with the punches on this game more then any I've ever played. Alot of people can't take it it seems... Gamers are soft people.

    Hello Kitty Island Adventure sounds awesome!

  • Celestron90
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    Then you haven't played many full loot games....

    What's that mean? I play WoW and Diablo so as far as "loot games" go I'd like to think I'm quite familiar.

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