What is SoT About?

@ant-heuser-kush said in What is SoT About?:

@itsporkchopfu said in What is SoT About?:

@ant-heuser-kush said in What is SoT About?:

@sgt-conley said in What is SoT About?:

@lady-aijou
That's not a direct response to my comment.
My comment was in regards to a larger criticism regarding gameplay variety, community fatigue, & developer workload.
A necessary hardship, you reply (in abstract)?

A reminder of how early in development this full price retail game is only worries me further for the future.

SoT will always be in development... that's something people need to understand. This game was never meant to ship as a finished product as Rare is constantly adding and updating the game on weekly basis.

A game is always considered finished unless it clearly specified Early Access, which Rare did not.

That is correct... however, SoT is a GasS. SoT is a finished product... it went gold. When you buy early access games, you buy games that are unfinished... and may never be fully released. SoT is a fully fledged game. There is nothing early access about it... people don't understand the continuous delivery model Rare chose to go with.

I understand the GaaS model, but this game is NOT finished in the least. The GaaS model starts with a polished feature-rich product and adds onto it through continuous updates. This game looks great, but is nothing but a hollow tech demo in its current state.

@ttargetpractice said in What is SoT About?:

There is no such thing as a "competitive level" except in your imagination.

So at this point I’m done debating this with you. That’s the lamest thing I’ve read.

I’m going to go tell all those PAID ESports teamsto give their money and sponsorships back. They don’t need them as they are the same as everyone else since there is no such thing as playing at a competitive level in PvP.

@ant-heuser-kush said in What is SoT About?:

@itsporkchopfu said in What is SoT About?:

@ant-heuser-kush said in What is SoT About?:

@itsporkchopfu said in What is SoT About?:

@ant-heuser-kush said in What is SoT About?:

@sgt-conley said in What is SoT About?:

@lady-aijou
That's not a direct response to my comment.
My comment was in regards to a larger criticism regarding gameplay variety, community fatigue, & developer workload.
A necessary hardship, you reply (in abstract)?

A reminder of how early in development this full price retail game is only worries me further for the future.

SoT will always be in development... that's something people need to understand. This game was never meant to ship as a finished product as Rare is constantly adding and updating the game on weekly basis.

A game is always considered finished unless it clearly specified Early Access, which Rare did not.

That is correct... however, SoT is a GasS. SoT is a finished product... it went gold. When you buy early access games, you buy games that are unfinished... and may never be fully released. SoT is a fully fledged game. There is nothing early access about it... people don't understand the continuous delivery model Rare chose to go with.

I understand the GaaS model, but this game is NOT finished in the least. The GaaS model starts with a polished feature-rich product and adds onto it through continuous updates. This game looks great, but is nothing but a hollow tech demo in its current state.

That's subjective... Ha. SoT is more than a Tech Demo. The SoT we have today is not the SoT that launched two months ago... and the SoT in two months will not be the same SoT we have now. I like that. Can they iron out some bugs add and some new content? Sure, but I'm content with how the game is now. Minus the bugs, of course.

It is subjective, but since it was marketed as a AAA title and carried a full price tag, a general standard of delivery is expected.

It’s content/completeness falls far outside the range of content provided by other AAA or even indie studio games, which is why the vast majority of user and critic reviews considered it unfinished and a poor value for the money.

Once they release enough content to be considered finished, Rare can call it a GaaS, enable microtransactions, and begin to release regular updates to keep the experience fresh, rather than the currently-needed overhaul.

@d-jaguar said in What is SoT About?:

Minecraft is going strong with over 10 years of a world made of blocks and the creativity of its players. It keeps growing with new material and we adjust each time.
Assassins Creed is repetitive and yet it is still going.

Sea of Thieves is going for the same model. Not everyone loves Minecraft. Not everyone will love Sea of Thieves.

See you on the seas.

I agree, however, Minecraft, for instance, fosters creativity by allowing environment manipulation and providing a great many tools to do so. It has a detailed crafting system, buried mysteries in caves, abandoned tunnels, and fortresses, functional loot with progressive upgrades, varied enemy types, and a light endgame (more than SoT but too light IMO). It is a great example of a successful sandbox.

Conversely, SoT just provides a lifeless environment and none of the items above that make Minecraft successful. SoT is not a sandbox game, and based on a Rare podcast, not a game but a ‘place to be’, which worries me.

Good game are more than dev talk about a ‘journey’, and require solid content, varied playstyles, compelling story, fiercely contested pvp goals or a repetitive but addictive game loop.

@ant-heuser-kush said in What is SoT About?:

@itsporkchopfu said in What is SoT About?:

@ant-heuser-kush said in What is SoT About?:

@itsporkchopfu said in What is SoT About?:

@ant-heuser-kush said in What is SoT About?:

@itsporkchopfu said in What is SoT About?:

@ant-heuser-kush said in What is SoT About?:

@sgt-conley said in What is SoT About?:

@lady-aijou
That's not a direct response to my comment.
My comment was in regards to a larger criticism regarding gameplay variety, community fatigue, & developer workload.
A necessary hardship, you reply (in abstract)?

A reminder of how early in development this full price retail game is only worries me further for the future.

SoT will always be in development... that's something people need to understand. This game was never meant to ship as a finished product as Rare is constantly adding and updating the game on weekly basis.

A game is always considered finished unless it clearly specified Early Access, which Rare did not.

That is correct... however, SoT is a GasS. SoT is a finished product... it went gold. When you buy early access games, you buy games that are unfinished... and may never be fully released. SoT is a fully fledged game. There is nothing early access about it... people don't understand the continuous delivery model Rare chose to go with.

I understand the GaaS model, but this game is NOT finished in the least. The GaaS model starts with a polished feature-rich product and adds onto it through continuous updates. This game looks great, but is nothing but a hollow tech demo in its current state.

That's subjective... Ha. SoT is more than a Tech Demo. The SoT we have today is not the SoT that launched two months ago... and the SoT in two months will not be the same SoT we have now. I like that. Can they iron out some bugs add and some new content? Sure, but I'm content with how the game is now. Minus the bugs, of course.

It is subjective, but since it was marketed as a AAA title and carried a full price tag, a general standard of delivery is expected.

It’s content/completeness falls far outside the range of content provided by other AAA or even indie studio games, which is why the vast majority of user and critic reviews considered it unfinished and a poor value for the money.

Once they release enough content to be considered finished, Rare can call it a GaaS, enable microtransactions, and begin to release regular updates to keep the experience fresh, rather than the currently-needed overhaul.

I agree with you but the price tag is fine... Some games cost twice as much, even three times as much with microtransactions... I'm looking at you Destiny 2.

Base game - $60
Season pass (two DLC packs) - $40
Next DLC - $40
Next season pass (three small DLC's) - $30
Microtransactions are $5, $10, or $20 bundles

I think once Rare gets into the rhythm of releasing content on a regular basis, the complaints will stop. The complaints about the price vs lack of content, the type of content, etc.

Yes, some games charge unethical prices for low quality, absent content, like Bungie with Destiny, but we should compare our games to reasonable examples like CD Project Red with Witcher, or our standards will just drop like a rock.

That said, some DLC may be worth such a price, but nothing Rare has in store for 2018 would be worth any money, even compared to Destiny1/2, which had more polish, varied playstyles, story and real raid content in their $60 base games than SoT will have in all of 2018, and I still feel ripped off by Bungie.

@itsporkchopfu said in What is SoT About?:

@d-jaguar said in What is SoT About?:

Minecraft is going strong with over 10 years of a world made of blocks and the creativity of its players. It keeps growing with new material and we adjust each time.
Assassins Creed is repetitive and yet it is still going.

Sea of Thieves is going for the same model. Not everyone loves Minecraft. Not everyone will love Sea of Thieves.

See you on the seas.

I agree, however, Minecraft, for instance, fosters creativity by allowing environment manipulation and providing a great many tools to do so.

I like Minecraft but trying to bring these tools into a more ...hmm realistic(?) online game or MMO scare me. I’m watching Camelot Unchained but after Everquest Next fiasco I don’t think games really have the capability to do this correctly now.

@itsporkchopfu there’s 5 more content drops this year alone (2 this summer) with weekly events starting this week.

As long as this is generally bug free, fun and has replay value for some folks the “flesh” of the game should be fine and get better going into next year.