The best SoT review I have seen

  • This guy really gets it in my opinion. The video itself is more intellectual than the title lets on. I don't necessarily agree with all the random spitballing of content ideas towards the end, but it was just that: spitballing. Some of them were actually good.

    This video expresses perfectly how I view SoT in its current state. The video covers two major points: Creating your own fun and progression.

    Creating your own fun is very much a cop-out excuse. Like Actman said, creating your own fun is something you do when you're bored. A lot of people in this community like to insinuate that you just don't have a good imagination if you find fault in SoT's gameplay. I'd like to counter that with a short personal story:

    When my friends and I were around 10 years old, we played with action figures quite heavily. We would play with them in a "normal," story-driven way, but when we got bored of that, we used our imagination. One game that I came up with was called "army spies surprise." We would have one kid sit in a bedroom and play pokemon or something while the other kid hid humanoid action figures around the living room. They would be arranged in such a way to where they were mostly hidden, but their lines of sight would peer across the room. The hider would keep a mental note of their minions' sightlines, and think of them as tripwires. Finally, the other kid would come out and need to move across this room, trying to carefully plan their next step while staring at potted plants, the fireplace, bookshelves, and any other notable hiding spots so as not to be spied upon.

    Let me just say that I have an amazing imagination, and that has extended into a lot of things I have done in SoT. Creating your own fun is not a valid gameplay metric. It is a cherry on top of the core game, it should never be marketed in and of itself.

    Moving towards progression, Actman really opened my eyes with the Starcraft analogy. Starcraft's campaign really would have been terrible if you only had 3 basic units throughout, and it's a perfect analogy to SoT's quest structure.

    Many in this community are terrified of the term "progression" because they immediately equate it to MMORPG stats and such. I'm not sure where this absolutist narrative is coming from, but it needs to stop. In Actman's video, he showcases a handful of progression systems that almost don't even feel like progression systems. The Stars in Mario (or jiggies in BK) are actually harder to get the further through the game you are. Climbing Mumbo's Skull for a jiggy vs. swimming into the Rusty Bucket's fanblades for one is an element of progression. There was also a good point about stretching the content you have by making you do the same thing but faster. That's also an element of progression. SoT is an open world game, so like Actman said, why isn't there a portion of the game world that you actually have to prepare to get into? Why is the spooky Wilds just as neutral as anywhere else?

    SoT has nothing of the sort. The only thing we got was the poorly designed Order of Souls missions where a basic skeleton takes 8+ bullets to kill instead of 2. That's artificial difficulty and it's one of the only forms of progression that gamers tend to hate. And by "hate" I mean pretty much no one finds it to be redeeming. I don't like MMORPG stat-like progression that much, but I can see why its audience likes it. Artificial difficulty has no fans in that same sense.

    Overall, this was a very enlightening review that expressed many of my thoughts perfectly. I know there's still plenty of players that love SoT, but I would really like it if people dropped the extremist tribes that they are assigning themselves to. You can say all this negative stuff about the game like I do and still like it for what it is now.

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  • "If you are bored then you are boring"

  • He's a little harsh, but not terribly far off.

    I did very few quests because it took about a half hour to see how bad they were.

    I really liked learning to sail, and I enjoyed ship combat for a while. However, the ship combat is pretty shallow, and it wears thin fairly quickly. The true nail in the coffin for me was finding out that you can bail faster than you can sink, thereby rendering cannons pointless, and reducing naval combat to a ramfest.

    I did some exploring, but rather quickly realized that there is no payoff there. Yeah, you can look at and find every little spot on the map, but once you've seen x,y, and z half a dozen times each, seeing them again isn't that interesting.

    I messed around very briefly with drunkeness and shooting myself out of a cannon, but again, there's nothing to it, and it gets old fast.

    If there was ANYTHING else in the game to do, chances are decent that I would have bought the game. What happened instead is that I just got completely bored and have not been compelled to play again since the final beta.

    If they took all this stuff, even just the stuff currently in game, and added a bit of depth the game would have way more replay value.

  • Cool. If you don't like it, don't play.

    Quit polluting the forum with BS posts about it, no one cares.

    Those of us who are having fun are tired of your endless need for attention.

    Go back to Fortnite.

    Bye.

  • 18 mins for a review from a person that doesn’t like it...
    If you review make it short.
    After the song i stop watching it cause he already said everything i need to know and i even forward the video just to make sure its just one guy review.

  • @jimmy-voorhees said in The best SoT review I have seen:

    Cool. If you don't like it, don't play.

    Quit polluting the forum with [mod edited] about it.

    Those of us who ate having fun are tired of your endless need for attention.

    Go back to Fortnite.

    Bye.

    Hear hear!

  • @o1dguy-0 said in The best SoT review I have seen:

    18 mins for a review from a person that doesn’t like it...
    If you review make it short.
    After the song i stop watching it cause he already said everything i need to know and i even forward the video just to make sure its just one guy review.

    I take it you don't produce much YT content. It's difficult to talk about any subject with any sort of depth for less than 10 minutes. "It's boring" isn't all you need to know. That's the first sentence in a paragraph. That's a bit like picking up War and Peace and thinking you have the gist.

  • @jimmy-voorhees He said he enjoyed the game. no need to be mean about it. if you dont like what he has to say, well there is other things to do. Me personally I completely agree, its a fun game but it needs more. it feels very shallow in its current state.

  • The thing is most negative "criticism" is quite extreme in their assessment that Sea of Thieves is a content-less game or that Rare lied about what's in the package. I've seen and stated valid criticism of the game of my own, but "most boring game" he ever played? I feel he must have not played many games.

  • This guy lost me when his list of Pirate games topped out at Assassins Creed. Hello McFly: SID MEIER PIRATES!!!!!!!!!! Hands down. Get your Commodore 64 our and try it.

  • This is the second time i had to disagree with the ol Act Man. I feel like he missed the point of the game entirely. That said hes right about it being barebones. I knew what it was when i bought it

  • It's really sad because he has a very piratey jaw!

    He is right in most of his points, this game lacks incentive to keep playing, it lacks content, the CQC combat is c**p and the pricetag is an insult.

  • @natsu-v2 I think this review is right.

    I just pvp now when and if I play. The single game loop of fetch quests just gets really old with the harsh diminishing returns and the unclear voyage upgrade system.

    You can literally sail for 20 minutes and get a castaway chest for a voyage you paid over a 100 gold for. It's a pathetic system to cover up from their lack of content.

    Pirate Legend is a painful empty process.

  • @nwo-azcrack said in The best SoT review I have seen:

    This is the second time i had to disagree with the ol Act Man. I feel like he missed the point of the game entirely. That said hes right about it being barebones. I knew what it was when i bought it

    It seems researching a game before purchasing is lost to the younger generation.

    Now they buy, then loudly complain every day that it's not what they thought it would be.

    There were free betas! Still the "recent" forum tab is full of "derp derp derp change the game to how I think it should be. Here's my flawed logic as to why"

    I'd rather face 5 galleys every time I spawn than deal with the entitled children on this forum.

  • @jim-voorhees It would seem that respecting differing opinions like an adult was lost to yours...

    Every generation has its flaws..

  • @jim-voorhees dijo en The best SoT review I have seen:

    @nwo-azcrack said in The best SoT review I have seen:

    This is the second time i had to disagree with the ol Act Man. I feel like he missed the point of the game entirely. That said hes right about it being barebones. I knew what it was when i bought it

    It seems researching a game before purchasing is lost to the younger generation.

    Now they buy, then loudly complain every day that it's not what they thought it would be.

    There were free betas! Still the "recent" forum tab is full of "derp derp derp change the game to how I think it should be. Here's my flawed logic as to why"

    I'd rather face 5 galleys every time I spawn than deal with the entitled children on this forum.

    I didn't know that the old generations condoned mediocrity now with ridiculous excuses, I for sure don't, and I was alive when mankind went to the Moon. It doesn't matter if there were hundred betas or none, the players buy the final release and judge, and the veredict is straightforward: this game flopped...hard.

    Entitled children, I wonder how old you are.

  • Glad I don't care about other people's reviews or opinions. I'm never bored in this game, perhaps because I don't grind all day long.

    My secret to keeping this fresh is to play each day and make at least $1000 in coin, which isn't much. I'm not looking for the magic weed to make me happy on this game. I simply love to sail! I head out once a day and look for shipwrecks and barrels.

    I actually was walking around an island today getting a couple snakes for a Merchant Quest and I saw my boat....actually another boat with the same paint. At first I thought, how the heck did my boat get over there.

    Needless to say they shot at me once, and I held up the "I'm a lover, not a fighter" lamp. They nicely waved and let me finish my quest.

    Met some good people, made my coin for the day, and looking forward to tomorrow.

    Don't read into other people's reviews, watch this on Twitch and see if it's right for you before you decide your bored. If you are, find another game to play.

    Cheers mates!

  • @knifelife said in The best SoT review I have seen:

    @jim-voorhees It would seem that respecting differing opinions like an adult was lost to yours...

    Every generation has its flaws..

    There's a huge difference between respecting differing opinions and being tired of seeing the same post 90 times a day.

    I understand some people just aren't good. And they want the game to be something that it isn't. But that doesn't mean that the developers should spend time and money to cater to you.

    It means you should either improvise, adapt, and overcome, or play something else.

  • Please help me understand. When someone dislikes something, why do they feel the need to to waste more of their time making a long winded video that I didn't watch, or write a short story novel that I read 4 sentences from about it. Put the game down and move on. Are you still that curious as to how many haters are still in this forum, and how many of them will give you a thumbs up. You are not going to sway the opinions of people liking this game. Seriously please, move on. Go search for something you will like. Go to their forum. Ask questions. Offer help. Do you really feel your opinions are that important?

  • @paddymck I would say because hes been testing and giving feedback on the game for well over a year and helped the devs with bug reporting and other things through the Technical Alpha, Pioneer Program, 2 Betas and 3 Scale tests and now launch....

  • @knifelife Ouch!!! that sucks. Usually takes me about 10 sec to a minute to realize I don't like something. When I come to terms, I move on.

  • @knifelife said in The best SoT review I have seen:

    @paddymck I would say because hes been testing and giving feedback on the game for well over a year and helped the devs with bug reporting and other things through the Technical Alpha, Pioneer Program, 2 Betas and 3 Scale tests and now launch....

    So have many others. Myself included.
    Doesn't mean didly.

  • @paddymck Just because you criticise something doesnt necessarily mean you do not like it, not everything's black and white.

  • @lucid-stew Here is another review I agree with.

  • So don't play it. I only watched 3 minutws of the video, but he kept repeating the same thing so I couldn't be bothered to watch the rest.

  • I'm to the point where everyone I see who creates a thread or post like this is going to get flagged.

    We get it, you personally feel Sea of Thieves is somehow lacking content, despite RARE coming out in many of their own videos stating what the intended experience is, and you feel the mighty need to loudly proclaim it on the game's forums, in an effort to get more people to jump ship with you.

    We've had to go through this over a hundred times. We don't need more of the same negativity clogging the forums and driving legitimate constructive feedback or suggestions to the bottom.

  • @rk1-turbulence dijo en The best SoT review I have seen:

    So don't play it.

    The "don't play it" card works when the critic is simply trolling, a hate bandwagon with no constructive criticism and that kind of stupid and childish sopa operas. i.e.: No Man's Sky hate campaign.

    When people who is anticipating a game explains why the game is failing for them is good to listen, devs or fans. You don't need to agree with critics, but it's always good to listen to negative critics, not only to fanboys praising...or excuses.

  • My, what little imagination this random YouTuber has.

  • @natsu-v2
    I like playing the game.

  • @jimmy-voorhees said in The best SoT review I have seen:

    Cool. If you don't like it, don't play.

    Quit polluting the forum with [mod edited] about it.

    Those of us who ate having fun are tired of your endless need for attention.

    Go back to Fortnite.

    Bye.

    ...and those of us with criticism for the way Rare has mishandled this game in a selfish bid to realize "their" vision tire of you cheerleaders with nothing to add to the discussion except for chapped lips and breath that smells like poo from all the posterior kissing you're doing.

    Listen to their podcasts, it's never about the players, it's always about Rare and their vision. Never once even attempting to cater to the end user or design a game that is fun for the end user. No. They wanted to design a monument to their own egos. Well, here it is, and it's just as vapid and empty as their self-centered business model. There is a lot of potential here, but until they alter course, you're headed for the rocks at breakneck speed.

    So take those kneepads off and go play the game you love, we'll be here making sure it gets fixed so there is some life and longevity injected into this dead game.

    Bye.

    PS: Fortnite is free and a far better game than S0T in it's current state.

  • @jimmy-voorhees said in The best SoT review I have seen:

    Cool. If you don't like it, don't play.

    Quit polluting the forum with [mod edited] about it.

    Those of us who ate having fun are tired of your endless need for attention.

    Go back to Fortnite.

    Bye.

    This is literally the stupidest reply I’ve ever seen on these forums.

    People are expressing their opinions, saying where the game is lacking, etc. hopefully the devs will listen and take notes.

    “go back to Fortnite”???

    Buddy, if I spend 60 bucks on a game which is really lacking I will criticize it so it can improve. Not, just leave and forget about it. That’s $60 down the drain.

    Stop these types of replies. Please.

  • @drbullhammer said in The best SoT review I have seen:

    @lobofh I agree, but at this point it's just beating a dead horse. They've heard the criticism, they've adjusted their roadmap, just wait for new content to be added and give feedback on that. At this point, calling the game shallow and boring isn't the least bit constructive.

    The sheer volume of people saying this is indicative of a serious problem their "roadmap" is not going to fix. First impressions are important, and the launch for this title was whiffed. Much of what little is here has various functionality problems. I am very concerned about player retention and longevity at this point.

  • @drbullhammer Always in the context of their vision. ;)

  • Feel free to leave the fact that some people think this game needs to appeal to everyone is baffling. If you can’t handle horizontal progression that’s fine but don’t moan about a core mechanic

    I just had a blast almost Sinking a galleon by myself in a sloop got a lot of great shots in but ran out of cannon balls so called it a night after doing some merchant quests. I love this game

  • @drbullhammer That's fine, but they're busy saying what will not be in the game because it conflicts with their vision. As the game is allegedly designed to be malleable, then there is no reason for them not to cater to their customer base.

    ...more likely they are patronizing their playerbase and plan on dripping out assets already in the game and locked away until it fits their schedule. They'd better do something soon besides spout vague lawyeresque platitudes. We'll see in May if they are actually listening, or just throwing a slightly larger kiddie pool in the grass.

    There is literally no reason to defend this company or their handling of this game.

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