Skinner box style addictive games are generally considered as parasitic in the game development community

@mrbrocksego So much wrong with what youve said. The voyage system in itself is a endless treadmill leveling mechanic.

Skinner box is more about lootboxes, which no, this game doesnt have.

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Borderlands is the best / worst example of this, thousands of guns, but they're all basically just guns you shoot them they do damage. There is no change to your gameplay at any point, it literally never changes.

What ? Have you played to Borderlands ? Are you telling me there is no change to the gameplay if you play with an SMG, a rocket launcher or a melee weapon ?

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@aenima123 Yes I've played the first one and the second one, they have some of the most repetitive gameplay. I'm saying there is basically no difference between smg pistol lmg ar sr shotgun or any other kind of gun. Just like there is basically no difference in gameplay between a rocket launcher, a grenade launcher, and a grenade. Obviously if you cherry pick three completely different classes of weapon they will be different. Those three are all the game has to offer however.

Well, you are cherry picking too, because if i follow your logic, it's easy to boil down any game that way, it's only a matter of how macro/micro we are looking through the microscope lense.

Even the smallest detail between two SMGs, the rate of fire, the ammo capacity, the recoil, the special effects, has an impact on how you play it. Sometimes it's only the model, the skin, the sound, how i loot it, that would make me love one and hate another.

Oh, by the way, winning a game of Counter-Strike releases dopamine, winning a game of Monopoly releases dopamine, games with added RNG, loot and skins to win, it's nothing new, they just find a even more effective way to distribute dopamine shots. There is no shame in that.

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@lobofh I just really don't think a different special effect on a weapon that aside from a customised model is identical to hundreds of other weapons in the game is changing the way your playing the game at all. Borderlands is the best / worst example of this, thousands of guns, but they're all basically just guns you shoot them they do damage. There is no change to your gameplay at any point, it literally never changes.

@Super-Poopsy This extra creditz episode breaks it down differently and includes a lot more games than just mobile clicker games.

Sorry, I have played more than 1200 hours Borderlands 2 and, well, I don't want to be disrespectful but you don't know what you are talking about, there are so many variants of weapons, shields and items and they change dramatically the way you play.

I can put you examples if you don't believe my words. But I have played it some years ago and I would need to do some research, as I don't remember all the names and so on.

No because in the end, no matter the weapon, they all serve the same purpose, they all go PEW PEW PEW to shoot at pixels, so you know... It's all the same. /s

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@lobofh I just really don't think a different special effect on a weapon that aside from a customised model is identical to hundreds of other weapons in the game is changing the way your playing the game at all. Borderlands is the best / worst example of this, thousands of guns, but they're all basically just guns you shoot them they do damage. There is no change to your gameplay at any point, it literally never changes.

@Super-Poopsy This extra creditz episode breaks it down differently and includes a lot more games than just mobile clicker games.

Sorry, I have played more than 1200 hours Borderlands 2 and, well, I don't want to be disrespectful but you don't know what you are talking about, there are so many variants of weapons, shields and items and they change dramatically the way you play.

I can put you examples if you don't believe my words. But I have played it some years ago and I would need to do some research, as I don't remember all the names and so on.

No because in the end, no matter the weapon, they all serve the same purpose, they all go PEW PEW PEW to shoot at pixels, so you know... It's all the same. /s

Please...

No, dude, your Moxxi's weapons that heals you is not like the explosive Unkempt Harold that melts faces, a shield that absorbs bullets it's not like the Bee, that amplifies the damage, you can play Zer0 as a melee assassin, a sniper or with pistols, you need very specific builds and gadgets to be sucessful with those very different playstyles.

Protip : "/s" at the end of a post means "sarcasm". You're welcome.

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@lobofh I just really don't think a different special effect on a weapon that aside from a customised model is identical to hundreds of other weapons in the game is changing the way your playing the game at all. Borderlands is the best / worst example of this, thousands of guns, but they're all basically just guns you shoot them they do damage. There is no change to your gameplay at any point, it literally never changes.

@Super-Poopsy This extra creditz episode breaks it down differently and includes a lot more games than just mobile clicker games.

Sorry, I have played more than 1200 hours Borderlands 2 and, well, I don't want to be disrespectful but you don't know what you are talking about, there are so many variants of weapons, shields and items and they change dramatically the way you play.

I can put you examples if you don't believe my words. But I have played it some years ago and I would need to do some research, as I don't remember all the names and so on.

No because in the end, no matter the weapon, they all serve the same purpose, they all go PEW PEW PEW to shoot at pixels, so you know... It's all the same. /s

Please...

No, dude, your Moxxi's weapons that heals you is not like the explosive Unkempt Harold that melts faces, a shield that absorbs bullets it's not like the Bee, that amplifies the damage, you can play Zer0 as a melee assassin, a sniper or with pistols, you need very specific builds and gadgets to be sucessful with those very different playstyles.

Protip : "/s" at the end of a post means "sarcasm". You're welcome.

Next time you post the Big Bang Theory gif, can you?

Next time i will start and end my post with "ATTENTION THIS IS SARCASM" just for you.

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@aenima123 & @LoboFH I'm just saying the gameplay doesnt change. Sure you have to micro manage some different things. The GAMEPLAY however is exactly the same. Gunplay =/= Gameplay

I'm not even trying to poo poo on borderlands. I had fun with the first, just found that the second was more of the same. I've got a lot of years playing games under my belt and just have hit my limit for level and loot. It hits my brain as repetition in infinite variety, the same thing a thousand times with minute variations. It doesn't give me joy anymore, it makes me tired. I get that a lot of people haven't hit this point and thats cool, I'm just arguing for not homogenizing video games so that they all have those types of mechanics in them.

It won't happen. Simply because it's not something you can throw in any game just because.
Of course, some people would like RPG elements in SoT, a leveling progression system, loot, even i could do with some of that in a certain way. But in the bigger scheme of things, SoT is lacking something meaningful to accomplish, that's what a lot of people would like, it doesn't necessarily have to be a leveling progression system or loot. Just something meaningful other than cosmetics and PvP. That's fine for a while but it's just get old pretty quick for a lot of us.
Oh, and maybe you didn't notice, but you've got a lot of skinner box gimmicks in SoT already : When you dig for a chest, when you kill a skeleton captain, when you open the door of a skeleton fort, when you sink another ship, each time, you're hoping to be a shinny shinny chest, skull, a room or a ship full of booty.

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@aenima123 & @LoboFH I'm just saying the gameplay doesnt change. Sure you have to micro manage some different things. The GAMEPLAY however is exactly the same. Gunplay =/= Gameplay

I'm not even trying to poo poo on borderlands. I had fun with the first, just found that the second was more of the same. I've got a lot of years playing games under my belt and just have hit my limit for level and loot. It hits my brain as repetition in infinite variety, the same thing a thousand times with minute variations. It doesn't give me joy anymore, it makes me tired. I get that a lot of people haven't hit this point and thats cool, I'm just arguing for not homogenizing video games so that they all have those types of mechanics in them.

It won't happen. Simply because it's not something you can throw in any game just because.
Of course, some people would like RPG elements in SoT, a leveling progression system, loot, even i could do with some of that in a certain way. But in the bigger scheme of things, SoT is lacking something meaningful to accomplish, that's what a lot of people would like, it doesn't necessarily have to be a leveling progression system or loot. Just something meaningful other than cosmetics and PvP. That's fine for a while but it's just get old pretty quick for a lot of us.
Oh, and maybe you didn't notice, but you've got a lot of skinner box gimmicks in SoT already : When you dig for a chest, when you kill a skeleton captain, when you open the door of a skeleton fort, when you sink another ship, each time, you're hoping to be a shinny shinny chest, skull, a room or a ship full of booty.

Oh, i was forgetting the RNG on the numbers, each time you sell something.

I will go as far as to say that this is what makes the chest digging bearable more than an hour. Imagine there would be only 1 type of chest in the game, imagine how those voyages would be dull.