CROSSPLAY FOREVER!!!

  • It’s appauling seeing fellow console players like myself complaining about cross play. Whether you play on console or PC, getting rid of crossplay WILL NOT change your SoT experience. You will always get good and bad players alike and a PC player taking out your 4 man crew single handily has nothing to do with the fact that player is playing on PC.. it was probably something to do with how unorganised your crew was.. too much grog perhaps.

    I play this game a fair amount (enough to notice hackers) and I’m yet to witness one hack in gameplay, yet I’m seeing a lot of talk on here about hackers. There’s a big difference between a hacker and someone who is just genuially good at the game. Also how can you even tell an enemy pirate is playing on PC unless he/she confirms that with you in chat during your conflict together.. which I’m sure has never happened ha!

    Please just accept the fact that rare have done something amazing allowing crossplay to function as well as it is considering the game hasn’t even been out a full month yet. Do not ruin this for people like myself who play with PC players more than console on this game.

    Only real advantage a PC player has over console is they get to type in chat rather than saying “aye” all the time.

    EDIT: And before someone complains about PC players having an advantage over console when it comes to being able to jump and aim more efficiently; there’s been methods out, about and known of for years now, claw method, switching your jump button, buying a scuf controller etc.

    Before console players even think about complaining about PC players having a jump/aim advantage, you had 10+ years playing under the call of duty franchise and if you haven’t already adapted to the many “jumping whilst aiming” methods then what the heck have you been doing for the past 10 years.

    Gears of War players I feel you but other than that I personally think people are just looking for excuses.

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  • Most people rejected his message.
    They hated MAD RAGGA LUKE because he told them the truth.

  • @mad-ragga-luke Most people dont want it gone, they just want the option to enable it or disable it.

  • I noticed that over time I play a lot better. I've learnt to watch the ladders on to a ship for example and yesterday in a galleon we had 2 guys with gunpowder go beneath us to try and sink us. We managed to fix the ship and bail the water as well as kill them both and then sink their ship.

    We were a team of randoms simply organised by good communication and a clear understanding of the situation. I believe I was the only PC gamer on the team and we all did fine. They fought just as well as I did...

    I simply got the kills because I was stood on the top of the ladders shooting buckshot into their faces as they tried to climb.

  • @mad-ragga-luke If you were in front of me I'd kiss ya lol!!!

  • @knifelife why do you want an option when you don't want it gone? The only thing an option will do is split the community which is never a good idea.

  • @onyx-wartooth Here here,

    And before someone complains about PC players having an advantage over console when it comes to being able to jump and aim more efficiently; there’s been methods out, about and known of for years now, claw method, switching your jump button, buying a scuf controller etc.

    Before console players even think about complaining about PC players having a jump/aim advantage, you had 10+ years playing under the call of duty franchise and if you haven’t already adapted to the many “jumping whilst aiming” methods then what the heck have you been doing for the past 10 years.

    Gears of War players I feel you but other than that I personally think people are just looking for excuses.

  • @rainbowspace770 fair play my friend. Communication and roles are key in this game when it comes to PVP situations. Yesterday for you there could’ve been no communication and everyone’s role could’ve been manning the cannons and that would’ve got you nowhere.. which has NOTHING to do with the fact you were playing on a computer, and your fellow crew mates were playing on console.

  • @mad-ragga-luke I have played Halo and other series, like perfect dark, since i was a wee lad. I use claw for dark souls because for some dumb reason sprint was binded to B or circle for thoe 3 ps players out there! I play no favorites...(I say that as I prefer xbox for the sake of the controller is more comfy for me)
    If a console player literally cant press A and use the joystick at the same time...thats understandable...theres bumber jumper and such for those players.
    BUT IF YOU CAN NOT PRESS AND HOLD LEFT TRIGGER! use your right thumb for the right joystick to aim...and after doing all that use your index or middle...to pull the right trigger...than I can help but feel embarrassed for you.
    If I can play guitar hero 3 with a controller, on expert. You can play Sea Of Thieves with a controller and beat a pc player.
    If I can be just as good (if not better) with a controller, then pc players wont have an advantage over you.

    The only luxury that PC players have over console players is the mentioned typing....but we also have a secret tool that makes us win everything...

    When we do any action...we dont have the camera constantly being centered...
    Is that just the biggest advantage ever? Our camera not being centered when we raise anchor or adjust sails?
    Isnt THAT JUST THE MOST OVER POWERED THING ON PC?

  • I love the crossplay. Made a lot of PC friends and I do not want to lose them

  • @rainbowspace770 Because primarily i would play with it off yet if i wanted to pkay with a friend on the PC then i could and deal with the consequences.

    And this whole "Split the playerbase" argument is litrally got no basis or substance to it what so ever. Firstly, if the game launched without cross platform there would still be populated servers on both sides. Secondly you have about 20-24 players per server so theres hardly going to be empty servers either way. And thirdly this isnt call of duty you dont need persistent players in front of you at all times, nor is it an mmo where you have mega servers and need 1000s of people in one place.

  • @mad-ragga-luke
    Right now, I think a lot of disaffected players, who find they are not playing the game they expected, are looking for every little (& big) thing to complain about...

    Let's be objective- Rare has accomplished an enormous amount in SoT, over 2 platforms! Are there teething troubles? Definitely yes! Are there glitches and issues? Sure... Will they smooth away? If Rare are doing the job they say they are doing, then, yes... SoT can only get better with time, I feel!

    Crossplay= inclusivity. Currently, if the forum is to be believed, PC & Xbox should not play together. PvE & PvP should be split. We should have nation flags on our ships so that we can hurl racist slurs at one another- & be more accurate in our insults & abuse! We do not want to play nicely together, it seems! We want to be divisive...

    Rare have tried to make a game where we can make friends & play together in a 'pirate adventure playground.' I am reminded of a playground, unfortunately, but not often in a positive way...

    If PC & Xbox players can join together in harmony- where players from both camps who'get' SoT are able to play together, where before never would, then I am all for it!

  • @knifelife hi knifelife, I get you but what are your solid reasons why you’d play console only servers over crossplay?

  • @coffeeart687098 couldn’t have said it better myself. I’ve been an online console player since 2007 (Xbox 360) and offline since the early 90’s and I can honestly say I’ve had more fun on SoT than I have on any other game during my gaming career.

    I’ve made tons of PC friends that have really brightened up my Xbox experience, a boost I haven’t really had since halo 3 or call of duty 4 back in the glory days.

    Stopping crossplay would be a dangerous move especially this early on. Splitting a brand new community before it’s even had time to form.

    Keep up the fantastic work Rare.

  • @mad-ragga-luke no one said to remove it. We want it OPTIONAL. Go ahead and play vs PC if you want but let others who want fair chances get paired with xbox folks only.

    "Only real advantage a PC player has over console is they get to type in chat rather than saying “aye” all the time."

    You are delusional. Let me help you:

    • on pc you can hear GAME CHAT and PARTY CHAT at the same time. This is a huge advantage. It let's you hear other groups while they can't hear you
    • PC has a huge advantage when it comes to situational awareness. You can rotate and look around so quick that you can basically board the enemy ship and visually cover all directions. No one will surprise you.
    • PC has a huge combat advantage because of M&K. I don't need to explain, no question here. Stop lying to yourself.
    • PC has a huge load time advantage. On PC I respawn and teleport via mermaid MUCH faster than my crewmates that play on XBOX. This can be crucial when saving a ship from sinking.
    • PC has FPS advantage. Even on a weak PC you can pull down the details to get smooth 60 fps. Devs decided to not give us that option on Xbox One X which EASILY can pull it off. Many more demanding games have proven it.
    • You can cheat on PC and what's worst, you can use cheats that are undetectable, like ship and treasure locations etc. I wonder why all those players that boast having 200000000 million worth chests on a ship for an entire day are always on PC. I can't have 10 minutes on the sea without someone chasing me.
    • PC players use macros. Aim with a sniper rifle, macro to the pistol. In a split second, you have 2 shots. You can do it with anything else
    • For some reason, most PC players have better PING. I've tested it on my xbox and pc. On PC I have usually around 32 ping. On Xbox it's 86 average.

    Want me to go on or this is enough?
    To sum it up, cross-play should be optional. You're still free to play against PC but don't force your decisions on others.

    The only reason I currently play on PC is because of the advantages above. The moment they'll add cross-play as an option I'm going back to xbox.

  • @mad-ragga-luke you haven’t played this game on pc have you?

    I play on both and before the B.B. nerf the added turn speed and accuracy afforded by a key board and mouse set up along with the ability to use controls like jump and turn is what makes it better. Significantly better in close combat.

    You can’t jump over people do and instant 180 and fire on consol. Not only that but I have a couple pc friend that can fire, switch weapons, then fire again in under a second insta killing people as both weapons fire so fast you can avoid the second if the first hits. Also no possible on console

    That being said no one wants cross play disabled they want the option to participate or not.

  • @mad-ragga-luke Purley for balance concerns and piece of mind. Ultimately Rare has failed to prove the game is played on an even playing field. I personally feel that if you can instantly tell what platform a player is on by the way they move ect then there is balance issues.

    Rare also stated many times that they are trying to build the game for everyone, currently for alot of console players it feels like they are being hung out to dry so they can push there New Cross platform agenda.

    While i personally am not against it, power to them. But if they cant reassure community concerns about issues or even acknoledge them, then they shouldnt be doing it. Games like Fortnite and Rocket league have done it in such a way it works for everyone. All because you have a choice.

  • @captain-surgee game chat AND party chat? Tbh this doesn't make a huge difference from what ive seen, besides fighting a crew full of randoms that actually speak, plus you can still swap to game chat VIA the xbox live party chat options.
    Mouse and keyboard sensitivity? Oh dear...Here...let me crank my xbox controller's sensitivity by going to the game options and controls, turning that little slider all the way up. There fix. May not be pen point like PC but there is not motive to get headshots since theres not multiplier.
    Combat advantage? Oh no...Its not like THE COMBAT SO SLOW AND SLUGGISH! If you can not play on controller...thats on you.
    Respawn time? Oh no... Seems like my xbox loads faster than my pc tbh...same with my best friend who also plays on a pc...dont know why...he has a strong pc than I do but I load faster on xbox... the hell?
    60 FPS? OH NO! I CAN SEE MORE THAN 30 FRAMES A SECOND! Its not like this is a super high intense game like CSGO or something like that because its super duper competitive, this is buckaroo, get used to it, 30 fps is just as good as 60 fps in this game.
    Hacks? On PC Only? ...Explain the modded lobby in cod ON THE XBOX then buddy. Shh....pc isnt the only system around with hacks. The only hack I know of is the dumb wall hack...which is just a dumb GPS system as far as I can tell if its even legit.
    MACROS? Your telling me...I can bind the buttons on my controller to any button i see fit to help me perform better?
    I cant press right trigger than press y to press the right trigger again as fast as your macro can? Give me a break, I play halo, pressing my thumbstick spamming y and RT is a pastime for me. Macros are not very useful in this game, yet again not competitive.
    BETTER PING? slap that Ethernet cord in your xbox...bam done...just thats sorta brain dead easy fix to that.
    Cross play optional? Splitting the player base, based on some dumb stereotypical believe based on high octane games that require more speed and focus than a c*****e addict has when he does a line. This is NOT need for speed shoot em up bomb plating simulator 2018 baby, this is sailing wooden ships in my bathtub simulator 2018!

  • The community is already divided. Those of us who want cross play, and those of us who refuse to play the game because of it.

    Seems like it would be in Rare's best interests to try and accommodate both groups.

  • @hot-juicy-pie it's not up to rare, it's up to microsoft and they won't do it most likely since they want full compatibility.

  • @captain-surgee okay fair enough they’re all valid points but I’m not forcing my ideas on anyone, these are my opinions/facts and I’m only defending myself and others who agree with me after personally seeing 3 posts on the same page about crossplay complaints. I wasn’t aware of any discussion about having a choice in game whether you want to play crossplay or with just console or PC, which seems like a great and fair conclusion to all of this.

    IF rare decides to add the option then I’ll still stand by what I’ve said and play crossplay as I don’t believe a PC player has an advantage over me unless he’s genuinely better than me at the game and this only goes for 1v1 situations, which rarely happen don’t you think? Frame rates, ping, mouse, keyboards etc aside really rare should be doing something about PC being able to hear party chat as well as in game, considering this game revolves around communication. Other than that I guess it is just each to their own isn’t it.

  • @onyx-wartooth said in CROSSPLAY FOREVER!!!:

    @captain-surgee game chat AND party chat? Tbh this doesn't make a huge difference from what ive seen, besides fighting a crew full of randoms that actually speak, plus you can still swap to game chat VIA the xbox live party chat options.
    Mouse and keyboard sensitivity? Oh dear...Here...let me crank my xbox controller's sensitivity by going to the game options and controls, turning that little slider all the way up. There fix. May not be pen point like PC but there is not motive to get headshots since theres not multiplier.
    Combat advantage? Oh no...Its not like THE COMBAT SO SLOW AND SLUGGISH! If you can not play on controller...thats on you.
    Respawn time? Oh no... Seems like my xbox loads faster than my pc tbh...same with my best friend who also plays on a pc...dont know why...he has a strong pc than I do but I load faster on xbox... the hell?
    60 FPS? OH NO! I CAN SEE MORE THAN 30 FRAMES A SECOND! Its not like this is a super high intense game like CSGO or something like that because its super duper competitive, this is buckaroo, get used to it, 30 fps is just as good as 60 fps in this game.
    Hacks? On PC Only? ...Explain the modded lobby in cod ON THE XBOX then buddy. Shh....pc isnt the only system around with hacks. The only hack I know of is the dumb wall hack...which is just a dumb GPS system as far as I can tell if its even legit.
    MACROS? Your telling me...I can bind the buttons on my controller to any button i see fit to help me perform better?
    I cant press right trigger than press y to press the right trigger again as fast as your macro can? Give me a break, I play halo, pressing my thumbstick spamming y and RT is a pastime for me. Macros are not very useful in this game, yet again not competitive.
    BETTER PING? slap that Ethernet cord in your xbox...bam done...just thats sorta brain dead easy fix to that.
    Cross play optional? Splitting the player base, based on some dumb stereotypical believe based on high octane games that require more speed and focus than a c*****e addict has when he does a line. This is NOT need for speed shoot em up bomb plating simulator 2018 baby, this is sailing wooden ships in my bathtub simulator 2018!

    You can't be serious...did you even play on a controller? Even at max sensitivity is SUPER SLOW, not even half of the sensitivity of the one in Halo.
    Hearing both chats is not a big advantage? I could go sneak on enemy ship, listen to what enemies are talking about and talk to my crew and plan an attack without being heard. That's not an advantage??? You can't do that on a console. Did you even understand what I wrote? Switching to game chat on Xbox does nothing more than hearing and being heard in the game. If your PC is loading slower than the Xbox, you must be having a 20 years old microwave for a PC. I've played SoT on Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox one X, Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (which is pretty damn slow) and a gaming PC. Even my surface which is basically a tablet loads the game faster than Xbox. Xbox One X performs a little better than standard Xbox.
    COD modded lobbies? IT's A GAME EXPLOIT NOT A CHEAT. It's a freaking bug. You know what? I give up. I feel like I'm talking to a child. Your points make no sense whatsoever.

  • @mad-ragga-luke Fair enough. All we want is an option. I can't see why most PC players fight so badly to not allow it.

  • @captain-surgee so let me point something out, its not a exploit, actually, its injecting some code to make the modded lobbies. Yes I have played with my xbox one S, with my fancy smaschy afterglow controller (Which for those wanting a nice wired controller, Id recommend HIGHLY) I do play halo competitively, SWAT and team doubles, gotten ONYX rank on Halo 5 for swat, being placed in gold 4 to start, golden 5 on team doubles. Sensitivity is fine, maybe needs more, but at this point, rather being able to aim rather than hear about the next MLG TRIXSHOT montage being clips of sea of thieves. My pc isnt old, I just built it a few months ago. It has been debated on the respawn timers being based on how far you are from the ferry of the damn since it was found to be in the centered of the map, the load time isnt just based on hardware, but also connectivity. Switching to game chat isnt that hard, and if your so worried about being heard, rip the mic out. or ya know...mute yourself, also a very viable option.

  • @onyx-wartooth LOL don’t kid yourself i have my sensitivity maxed on Xbox and it’s still disgustingly slow. A lot of people on consol wants a wider range of sensitivity and there’s nothing wrong with that. Also being able to hear people talk while they can’t hear you is a huge advantage especaily against well coordinated crews

  • Blaming crossplay for being bested in combat is nothing more than a coping mechanism.

    Remove it and the same complaints will remain.

    Those that cannot adapt and overcome will find any excuse to rationalize and justify their poor performance.

    Stick to your vision rare, I'm loving this game.

  • @stellarsacia exactly!

  • @onyx-wartooth
    Let me explain the chat issue a bit better, as you don't seem to be able to understand.
    On xbox, you can either be in
    Party Chat - you can only hear & chat with your own crew)
    or
    Game Chat - you can hear & chat with your own crew at all times, any other crews in close enough proximity to you, are able to hear & talk to you & vice versa.

    On pc you can basically have both at the same time! So you can hear crews in close proximity, but you can talk to your own crew at the same time without the enemy hearing you. Big advantage when planning attacks & ambushes etc!

  • @stellarsacia Great point. I know a few people that complain the reason they lose is crummy controls or the bananas dont work, or they got shot, etc etc. This is a problem across all games and communities. Just this time...they have something to actually set their sights on besides Lag.

  • @onyx-wartooth You still don't understand do you? On PC YOU CAN HEAR both GAME CHAT and PARTY CHAT at the same time. Switching to game chat on Xbox will not give you the same advantage. It will actually make it worse. Do you understand that? Oh my. I'm out.

  • @captain-surgee
    Change your chat in setting WOW

  • @captain-surgee
    MUTE your crew IN GAME but dont mute them in the party chat, its that simple

  • @stellarsacia said in CROSSPLAY FOREVER!!!:

    Blaming crossplay for being bested in combat is nothing more than a coping mechanism.

    Remove it and the same complaints will remain.

    Those that cannot adapt and overcome will find any excuse to rationalize and justify their poor performance.

    Stick to your vision rare, I'm loving this game.

    AMEN!

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