Try saying "Well Played" instead of making a complaint thread.

I play this game and I don't do any of those things. I just do Merchant missions because I like being a Merchant. Am I playing the game wrong?

Should I just stop and drop all my stuff off my ship for these guys and stand on the back, nice and still so they can snipe me and sink my ship instead?

How about I just leave all my goods on the outpost dock for other pirates to turn in?

What if I say "Well played" and they do what most of them do and spend the whole night coming after me (surprisingly only when I have stuff on board)?

What if I don't want to be chased for an hour and half but I also do not want to fight? Can I just say "Well played" or "Don't want to fight" and they will leave me alone?

I think you know the answers and you know your opinion is without logic. You can play this game an never fire a shot against another player and you know that. Don't force people to play YOUR game the way YOU want to play.

Apologists gonna apologist.

With traveling being a major part of the game's loop, not rewarding players for time investment is, I believe, driving a lot of the anti-PvP sentiment. It's akin to a game not having a save function.

If I spend an hour working a fort only to have everything stolen from me on the way back to the outpost, I'm certainly not going to be feeling very cheerful. I'm going to feel angry and disappointed, and I'm going to be less inclined to play again because of the constant worry that someone else is going to ruin my fun. I can't blame the other players, but I can certainly blame the game.

We need to be rewarded for time--not just loot. Imagine only having a couple hours to play the game every now and then and each time you try to make progress, you're met with a sunken ship or a horde of pirates. No amount of "gg" is going to soothe your irritation.

@stang616 said in Try saying "Well Played" instead of making a complaint thread.:

@edemardil said in Try saying "Well Played" instead of making a complaint thread.:

I play this game and I don't do any of those things. I just do Merchant missions because I like being a Merchant. Am I playing the game wrong?

Should I just stop and drop all my stuff off my ship for these guys and stand on the back, nice and still so they can snipe me and sink my ship instead?

How about I just leave all my goods on the outpost dock for other pirates to turn in?

What if I say "Well played" and they do what most of them do and spend the whole night coming after me (surprisingly only when I have stuff on board)?

What if I don't want to be chased for an hour and half but I also do not want to fight? Can I just say "Well played" or "Don't want to fight" and they will leave me alone?

I think you know the answers and you know your opinion is without logic. You can play this game an never fire a shot against another player and you know that. Don't force people to play YOUR game the way YOU want to play.

Apologists gonna apologist.

His post had nothing to do with how people play the game, but rather about complaining about all of those things.

He's not apologizing for anything.

"Someone out-pirated you in a pirate game about being a pirate and doing piratey things"

"a pirate game about being a pirate and doing piratey things"

"Someone out-pirated you in a pirate game"

"a pirate game"

He is doing exactly that. And an Apologist is "a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial." according to the dictionary. If he is not arguing in defense of something that hundreds of people have been making posts about, what is he?

@deliciouspack said in Try saying "Well Played" instead of making a complaint thread.:

@edemardil said in Try saying "Well Played" instead of making a complaint thread.:

I play this game and I don't do any of those things. I just do Merchant missions because I like being a Merchant. Am I playing the game wrong?

Should I just stop and drop all my stuff off my ship for these guys and stand on the back, nice and still so they can snipe me and sink my ship instead?

How about I just leave all my goods on the outpost dock for other pirates to turn in?

What if I say "Well played" and they do what most of them do and spend the whole night coming after me (surprisingly only when I have stuff on board)?

What if I don't want to be chased for an hour and half but I also do not want to fight? Can I just say "Well played" or "Don't want to fight" and they will leave me alone?

I think you know the answers and you know your opinion is without logic. You can play this game an never fire a shot against another player and you know that. Don't force people to play YOUR game the way YOU want to play.

Apologists gonna apologist.

I'm going to say something to you, but before I do, I need you to understand that I'm not doing so for the sake of being inflammatory, or dismissive. This is merely something that, in my opinion, you need to hear. Or read. Whatever.

Your understanding of this game is wrong.

WE aren't the ones forcing you to PvP, the Devs are. They've been 100% clear from the start that PvP is, and was always intended to be an omnipresent threat. Our opinions line up with those of the Devs. Yours do not. You are the one trying to force other players into altering their play-style to match yours.

Ok hear me out here. I'm going to say something to YOU and I need YOU to understand that YOU need to hear or read or whatever.

Your understanding of this game is wrong.

The Dev's put the option in the game to PvP but it does not mean that we have to, does it? I can just scuttle my ship every time someone comes near me. Right? The Dev's don't force ANYONE to PvP. People come into this game with the intent to do so. As a matter of FACT, the Dev's do not even offer a single reward for Pvp! That's right! You get nothing for PvP! No XP, No ranks or points, no kill count. You can't trade in any points from killing people who have nothing and sinking their ship for a new hat. Absolutely nothing. In the amount of time it takes for someone to hunt a ship down and actually sink them, kill them and take what they have on board they could have done a mission or found several shipwrecks or even have completed a skull fort.

Now you need to hear this as well, because you missed it in my original post. I never said PvP shouldn't be a threat. I said you shouldn't tell me that it's just part of the game and expect me to play the way you want to play and then make posts like this when people are upset that you are not playing the way they are playing. Why are there even missions? Why even add chickens into the game? They can just spawn you into a ship with a bunch of random c**p in it and then have it a PvP free for all! Or have rounds, like every PvP game. You know why? Because it is NOT a PvP game. It's an open world sailing game where you can be a Pirate. You can also go do missions and sell that stuff for money to make your pirate look better OR you can go into the game and chase every sail you see.

You THINK your opinions line up, but the fact that I have the option to never fire a weapon in this game against another player if I choose not to, means they implemented that for a reason.

I never asked players to stop doing PvP. I merely told the OP that he was expecting people who don't want to PvP to just stop their ship and let them kill them and take everything and say "Well played" as if that's going to make the other person not follow them around for hours on end. People like OP and you don't care. You want everyone to play how you play and if not, they should drop anchor and let you kill them and take their stuff.

I don't mind the threat. I just mind when people abuse it. If you're in a game and fighting someone and lose and say "Well Played" almost every time that person will continue to hound you in the game. They don't want to kill you and search your ship for treasure and then leave. Or sink you, steal your treasure and leave. They want to kill you, and kill you, and kill you, and kill you and follow you for an hour, and kill you....etc...

I won't play that way and I don't have to. I refuse to. And I will continue not too. I like being a Merchant. It's part of Role playing, which the Dev's themselves wanted us to do. If you don't like it, then you aren't in line with the Dev's at all.

@deliciouspack said in Try saying "Well Played" instead of making a complaint thread.:

@edemardil Wow. I'm not entirely sure where to begin with this gnarled mess of run-on sentences, runaway thoughts, & circular logic but here goes:

I'm sorry for using logic to discuss this with you, it's obvious it isn't working anyway but...

You're so focused on the "feature" of being able to play without firing your weapons, you've completely overlooked the feature of HAVING WEAPONS. You're seriously going to argue that the Devs put weapons in the game so that we could have the option of not using them?

I said specifically "against other players"

No reward for PvP... So then what happened to all those chests that got stolen from you? PvP has the EXACT same rewards as you'd get from voyages, shipwrecks & sometimes even skull forts. You said it yourself that it takes an equal amount of effort to do any one of those things as it takes to sink a ship. Your downside is paying for Voyages. PvP's downside is not getting paid as much for merchant goods.

And as most people I know who play this game that way, they rarely get anything from people. Majority of the time they get nothing. I can pull 20k about in an hour or two from hitting every island and shipwreck while on a mission and robbing everything from it. When people come after me, they only get empty crates. Enjoy your 20g per chicken.

If someone is chasing you for an entire hour it's because you're LETTING them. Please, do tell me everything you did to get yourself out of that situation. Wait, lemme guess. You pointed you sloop directly into the wind and sailed in a straight line hoping they would get bored and leave you alone. Did I get anywhere close?
If they killed you, took all your loot, and kept chasing you..... Why did you stay on that server? Didn't wanna waste that precious couple hundred gold you spent on the voyage? You could have earned 10 times that in the amount of time you wasted by letting them chase you.

Normally I will out maneuver them or take them into a storm. I'm not LETTING them chase me. I don't WANT them to chase me. I will do everything in my power to get away. Some people are persistent to the point of annoyance. I'm not going to just GIVE them my stuff though so even if I do go in a straight line for an hour, what's wrong with that? Now you have a problem with the way people run from conflict?

I WILL tell you it's part of the game because IT IS PART OF THE GAME. I'm not expecting you to play any differently, I'm expecting you to stop whining about what Rare has publicly and repeatedly stated is a part of the game.

If you read anything you said, I acknowledge over and over that it is part of the game. You can bring it up all you want, I know it is part of the game. I don't know why you keep repeating it when I have now acknowledged it several times.

This is not a thread suggesting that people who don't like PvP should just surrender. Nor is it a suggestion on how to avoid PvP. Nor is it forcing ANYONE to play in a certain way.

I never even came close to making an assumption of that. This is suggesting that people should stop complaining about not being able to play their way by telling them to not play their way and instead laugh and move on

The entire point of this thread is "Don't be a bad sport". You misunderstood the meaning, assumed OP was being a facetious troll, and used those assumptions to justify the level of aggression shown towards OP, myself, and anyone else who disagrees with you. You are in the wrong here, and you need to stop before the frustration that's painfully obvious in your chaotic, long-winded replies sends you spiraling into a blind rage.

Telling people that get spawn killed over and over, have to scuttle their ships with loot on it, get hounded for hours by being chased, outpost camped and robbed to "Don't be a bad sport" is utter cow sh@t.

Ready to have the wind knocked completely out of your argument's sails?
I PLAY THE SAME WAY YOU DO
The only difference is that I prefer Gold Hoarders over Merchants. Well... that, and I've learned to accept PvP. In doing so I've opened myself up to learning about it. I'm no expert, but I've learned enough to know how to avoid the fights I can, and accept the defeats I receive.

Please copy paste the part where I said "I don't accept PvP" I'll wait here. If you can't find it, do me a favor, don't reply. If you're not going to take the time to read what I say and attempt to comprehend it, then please don't waste my time.

I litrally said this to someone, we had been fighting over a fort for about 2 hours they gothe stronghold loot but me my crew mate managed to hide about 5ks worth of stuff.

I sent the guy a message saying: "GG WP that was brutal aha but ya missed the loot we managed to hide in the tower"

He replied saying: "Enjoy your comm bann, reported" l***o!

@unhandythreax said in Try saying "Well Played" instead of making a complaint thread.:

@edemardil well you did say in your first post something along the lines of "should I surrender" and you gave the OP some grief about his opinion being without logic. I think people are trying to show you that it does have logic

Well maybe it has logic to some people but in the servers I get on, if I say "Well played" it means nothing. People are in there like wolverines spawning in, c******g on everything and tearing up the place and then just disappearing.

It also is assuming people have to fight. No, you do not have to fight.