PvP is bad atm

  • Viper0hr
    Seafarer

    It seems every time any of my friends or I get into a PVP engagement (Playing on PC) we can shoot an enemy 3-5+ times with a blunderbuss point blank, getting hit markers every time (All/80% pellets hit), and then die in one shot. This happens almost every single time we encounter anyone. We unload into them and then each get one shot one after the other, that or as a Gallon we lay cannon fire into an enemy ship and nothing, they just sail on or unload on us and there is a huge battle where nothing happens, ships unload on each other and noone sinks.

    I don't know if this is due to the cross play, lag, or just p**s poor game design for the weapons, like the rest of the game.

    Game looks great, but holy hell what a major disappointment of content and c**p PvP with the same 4 weapons and no combos.

    Oh yeah, in before "THEY WILL PATCH UPDATES INTO THE $60 RELEASE LATER!!11!"

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  • Chud Stuffens

    I've done plenty of PvP.

    You aren't hitting as many shots as you think you are. I one tap people with the Blunderbuss every time I get into an engagement and kill people with the pistol often as well.

    I don't like to be this guy but sounds like a case of "GIT Gud."

  • Lucky Monkee
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    Dont think you are hitting them if you dont kill them - sorry to point to the obvious.

    love that statment "huge battle where nothing happens". Wait what? you unload cannons at them, they fire at you, you board each other and then just sit? It might be you, not the game this time.

    But it might not be p**s poor game design, it might be you. Because my "huge battles" and "point blank" blunderbuss are working fine.

  • Viper0hr
    Seafarer

    @chud-stuffens said in PvP is trash atm:

    I've done plenty of PvP.

    You aren't hitting as many shots as you think you are. I one tap people with the Blunderbuss every time I get into an engagement and kill people with the pistol often as well.

    I don't like to be this guy but sounds like a case of "GIT Gud."

    Yeah, somehow knew someone was gona try the Git gud approach.
    As I already said, I have shot someone point blank with the BB, then Pistol (secondary), then reloaded the BB and shot them 2 more times, getting hit markers every single time aiming chest/head and not seeing pellets miss or fly away, and then been one shot in killed. Just earlier me and 2 fiends engaged one guy, all of us got 1-2 hit markers on him point blank and he killed 2 of us, i have even snuck up behind someone on a cannon and shot them in the back of the head, then again, and the 180 one shot me. My internet is not bad either.

    I have no issue killing people normally, I have wiped crews and we have had good PvP battles before, but once or more a session we run into a team that are unkillable and this same thing happens over and over, even though that same session we had no issues with normal battles.

    It's not cheating, but I think it's connection/lag issues between the players clients or something, it happens far to often and on only certain players.
    That and from what i have read the weapon damage is completely random.

  • McStabbypants

    Sounds like it might be a lag issue. On your end you are seeing kill shots but in reality you're a few precious miliseconds behind maybe. Are you hardwired to the net or playing off wifi. If it's wifi then you need to plug in to internet directly.

  • Viper0hr
    Seafarer

    @lucky-monkee said in PvP is trash atm:

    Dont think you are hitting them if you dont kill them - sorry to point to the obvious.

    love that statment "huge battle where nothing happens". Wait what? you unload cannons at them, they fire at you, you board each other and then just sit? It might be you, not the game this time.

    But it might not be p**s poor game design, it might be you. Because my "huge battles" and "point blank" blunderbuss are working fine.

    Damn you must be right, the giant X marker when you hit must just appear for no reason when i shoot someone in the back of the head who does not even know I'm there, and they live. Guess all those X's mean missed shots.

    As for must just be me, the forums and reddit are full of people saying of the same things, and from what I see they were in beta too.

  • Hitman Actual1

    I was just in a game and I believe there were hacking or moddong. There was 4 people all on a crew that we're able to swim fast, and had 100% accuracy. Was killing people with a single shot every time from a distance with pistol and blunderbuss.

  • Viper0hr
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    @mcstabbypants I'm hard wired and have less than 30ping playing on PC. Have had friends report similar issues with the same people, both PC and XBOX which is the problem. It's a full 4 man team all getting hit markers on the same people we are shooting (1 on 4) and them not registering on the games end even though you can see the bullet hit and get a X marker. I have vids of it from my Shadowplay i am going to trim and compile.

  • McStabbypants

    @viper0hr Well that was my best guess. Sounds like a weird issue you're having I wonder if it's hackers though I don't know how common they are I think I have only run into one. Though then again this is a $60 triple a title that plays like we're still beta testing so who knows man?

    Funny story my kid brother put a prank memory stick in the back of my pc and it made my mouse randomly wig out on me. Tried trouble shooting forever was almost ready to format the whole rig and start from scratch before I figured it out. Hope you get it working bro.

  • syntxerr
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    Do Not aim at heads. There are no headshots in this game. In fact, when using a blunderbuss you gimp yourself by aiming at the head because a lot of your pallets will miss that way. Always blunderbuss straight into the stomach / chest and it will be a one-hit kill.

    That’s not to say that there are no lag issues at times...

  • Lucky Monkee
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    @viper0hr

    That X does not mean death. Look at cannonballs - you can kill sb with one good shot or have several which all take some health. It does mean you are hitting, it does not mean you are doing enough damage to kill them.

    I understand where you are coming from, I have had my whole crew killed by one guy - at the heat of the moment he/she must be hacking, its impossible - but then you come to realise that we were just bad. Blunderbuss has 10bellets, hitting just 1 doesn't do anything. And your "point blank" might not be all 10. And probably it isn't.

    And cant see all those people who are shooting point blank and not killing. Maybe they are yet to come?

    I am here since alphas and all is fine.

  • Viper0hr
    Seafarer

    @lucky-monkee
    ? I never said the X was a kill marker, I know it's a hit marker. My point was I am getting multiple hits, even with the pistol or sniper, and yet not killing people sometimes.
    I am thinking it to be lag/server issues and/or maybe RNG weapon damage, hence the post.

  • TeemoPotato

    Pvp is fine. People just like finding fault with something other than themselves because it can’t possibly be something wrong with you, right?

  • Chud Stuffens

    @viper0hr said in PvP is bad atm:

    @chud-stuffens said in PvP is trash atm:

    I've done plenty of PvP.

    You aren't hitting as many shots as you think you are. I one tap people with the Blunderbuss every time I get into an engagement and kill people with the pistol often as well.

    I don't like to be this guy but sounds like a case of "GIT Gud."

    Yeah, somehow knew someone was gona try the Git gud approach.
    As I already said, I have shot someone point blank with the BB, then Pistol (secondary), then reloaded the BB and shot them 2 more times, getting hit markers every single time aiming chest/head and not seeing pellets miss or fly away, and then been one shot in killed. Just earlier me and 2 fiends engaged one guy, all of us got 1-2 hit markers on him point blank and he killed 2 of us, i have even snuck up behind someone on a cannon and shot them in the back of the head, then again, and the 180 one shot me. My internet is not bad either.

    I have no issue killing people normally, I have wiped crews and we have had good PvP battles before, but once or more a session we run into a team that are unkillable and this same thing happens over and over, even though that same session we had no issues with normal battles.

    It's not cheating, but I think it's connection/lag issues between the players clients or something, it happens far to often and on only certain players.
    That and from what i have read the weapon damage is completely random.

    So first it was every time and now it's once a session? Maybe it was lag. Maybe you're not hitting your shots. Maybe he was quick with his bananas.

    Either way your credibility falls apart quickly when your story changes minute to minute.

    Good luck on the seas mate. Just remember. We all lose once in a while.

  • Gordon sevencav
    Ship Mate

    @viper0hr ping difference has a lot to do with it in my experience. If I'm running over a hundred and fifty ping I can hit somebody three or four times of the blunderbuss and then a pistol shot and they're still not dead. On the flip side of that if I am getting around 60 ping I will one shot people all day. So I think the problem is desync that you are experiencing.

  • Chud Stuffens

    @viper0hr said in PvP is bad atm:

    @lucky-monkee said in PvP is trash atm:

    Dont think you are hitting them if you dont kill them - sorry to point to the obvious.

    love that statment "huge battle where nothing happens". Wait what? you unload cannons at them, they fire at you, you board each other and then just sit? It might be you, not the game this time.

    But it might not be p**s poor game design, it might be you. Because my "huge battles" and "point blank" blunderbuss are working fine.

    Damn you must be right, the giant X marker when you hit must just appear for no reason when i shoot someone in the back of the head who does not even know I'm there, and they live. Guess all those X's mean missed shots.

    As for must just be me, the forums and reddit are full of people saying of the same things, and from what I see they were in beta too.

    Also what giant Xs are you referring to?

  • slightlymadz

    Happens to me too , I one shot a guy whilst running backwards with blunder buss and must have been 5 metres away , other day boarded a ship point blanked a guy on a cannon 3 times he didnt die till 2 cutlass swipes later.

    They all wear the same jacket it might be lag , might be that clothing item screwing hit boxes , might be RNG.

    Theres no headshots btw

    One interesting thing im witnessing is players are using scoped rifle in close combat and one shotting with it

  • DonnyDanger78
    Captain
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    @chud-stuffens and here it is.....bananas. When i get hit i straight away eat a banana.

  • MastahhKristo

    PvP is realy bad. I am good on Xbox with controller, but if come PC player. I lose him in fight. Becorse he have better aiming on mouse. ( jump, shot, jump, shot) Xbox muss have like in Fortnite aiming helper to better controll.

  • Gravey4rdMC
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    I can sort of relate to this, I have no issues 1 shotting people most of the time, but every now and then just like you said, I come across a random player that can easily tank 2-3 perfect point blank shots aimed at upper chest. Now, I do have a terrible connection so that is most likely part of the problem on my side. I also believe a lot of the hits we land aren't as good as we think they are (probably due to some lag), we will get the hit marker even if only one or two pellets land on the enemy which does a tiny amount of damage.
    Interestingly enough I've had the opposite happen aswell where I don't get any hit markers and it actually turns out to be a kill shot which is proof that there is indeed some difference in what you see client side and what the server registers.

  • DREAD1217
    Marauder
    Insider

    @viper0hr I feel the only problem with the combat is that it doesn't tell you enough and that you'll feel that all your shots hit but they don't and I think having the shots not fade out right away and be a bit brighter would remedy that for some people. Other times the combat just feels all over the place with it just being a spam fest of more bullets in any engagement meaning a 2v1 is always going to favor the 2 and gives little to no chance for the 1 to do anything which is not entirely the game's fault because this game is meant to be played with other people it just doesn't give a player anything to do other than try to shoot or swing back when they're getting charged by 2 or more players.

    Now this is my opinion so don't get into a fit over it but I think the sniper and pistol should be the only one shot headshot weapons and that the blunderbuss shouldn't fire as many pellets or turn the headshot multiplier way down so accuracy is favored over running in blindly then shooting in the general area of the head which will most likely result in a kill even if you're a bit to the left or right, those pellets are still going to hit. I think if the blunderbuss doesn't one shot but take a player down to maybe 30-40 health it still gives them a chance to fight back and rewards those who take the time to get headshots with the pistol and sniper instead of using the blunderbuss.

    That's just my opinion, I just look at this from how I play Battlefield and there's ways to counter shotguns quickly without using a shotgun yourself but in this game it's grab the blunderbuss as well and slap that jump key like it's your birthright until they're dead and cussing you out.

  • SAWhix
    Rogue

    @viper0hr Git Gud. PvP is awesome! This is how you battle, 2 boarders, 2 on sails and cannons = your fort loot is ours now. This is exactly what pirating is about.

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