Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources)

  • Edward Teaz

    Hello,

    I felt the need to make this post because it seems to be that Prod1gyX has become the target of a Witch Hunt that has spun way out of control.

    Issues I have seen most often with the #notmypiratelegend nonsense that I will be addressing

    1. He is said to have only boosted, never played the game
    2. He is said to have used afk bots to level
    3. He is said to have cheated

    Issue 1:
    According to a polygon article (link to article below)
    It was calculated that he was given loot by members of his community for roughly 22 percent of his run to legend.

    On top of this the sharing began towards the end of his run in the 40's and the idea orginated from his twitch followers who wanted to help the guy get to legend faster

    What seems to have happened is every person outside the the normal Prod1gyX following joined in at the last second and made assumptions about the way he got to legend based off the last few hours of his stream (i.e. a witch hunt)

    Issue 2:
    There is no evidence I could find of Prod1gyX utilizing afk farming as a serious method of leveling.
    Once again the polygon article describes how he went afk towards the end of his legend run for about an hour and people joining in ,because they heard someone was almost at legend, made assumptions

    Issue 3:
    Some might argue that ,regardless of the amount that was shared and whether or not others where willing, it still constitutes cheating and should illegitimize his status as the first pirate legend.

    My rebuttle comes from a developer video about the progression system (link below)

    “any crew member can bring their personal voyages to the crew, and share their progression with others” – Mike Chapman

    Rare has made it clear that you are allowed to share your loot with whoever you choose however you choose. Prod1gyX didn't server hop and share with unwilling participants. He was invited by them to share in their loot. He did not ask he was asked.

    Therefore I can't not see how it is possible that someone could be labeled a cheater who has not broken any written rule of the game and who has followed the design principle of the game.

    Closing Points:
    It seems to me that most people on the #notmypiratelegend bandwagon are either

    People who tuned into the end of his stream and made assumptions about how he had been playing for days

    Or

    People who heard rumors from such people and got mad without looking up anything

    People also made assumptions as to how good he is at the game based off a tiny portion of watching him play and threw that log onto the fire as well.

    But you know what ,none of anything above is why this guy is a #TruePirateLegend for me it's because

    "Now Prod1gyX spends his time helping other players participate in the unlockable legendary quests, which require a Pirate Legend on board to access. Even with the occasional player bursting into chat to encourage toxic behavior or drop hate speech, the streamer considers himself “beyond blessed.”

    Besides, the way he sees it, he’s just playing the game like a true pirate." -polygon

    If you stayed tuned after his stream after he hit legend (which I did), the first thing this guy did was share the hideout and legendary voyages with people outside his main crew

    That is just a good guy undeserving of a witchhunt.

    With that I rest my case.

    If anyone would like to argue this point I would ask that you please do so respectfully and in a thought out manner.

    Please explain the rationale behind your point of view

    If you make any claims please back them up with evidence and post sources

    Sources:
    Polgon article:

    Allegra Frank  /  Apr 2, 2018  /  News

    Sea of Thieves’ first ‘Pirate Legend’ defends his title amid player backlash

    Sea of Thieves’ first ‘Pirate Legend’ defends his title amid player backlash

    “I’m not here to satisfy you, I’m here to satisfy my community”

    Developer video on progression:
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  • UVG Reign
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    @edward-teaz boosting is frowned upon in any game

    Edit: to elaborate ...

    @sloth242 said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @uvg-reign Thats not true. Its a common thing in Diablo 3.

    I don't understand why everyone is freaking out though. Its nothing special and everyone will be pirate legend eventually.

    I couldnt care less neither, but people wanted to be first. And when someone boosts to be #1 in any game with leaderboards (k/d, score per minute, etc) or such, its cheating. I know SOT doesnt have leaderboards but it was still something a lot of people are aiming for to get recognition, just like a leaderboard

  • Captain Lumbo
    Castaway

    @edward-teaz I don't really care because everyone can achieve pirate legend but I'm sorry when you use other people to get you loot while you do nothing doesn't really deserve the title.

    40+ is no doubt the longest drag of the game and truly tests someones dedication he got it being cheap and using his fan base which now has diminished slightly.

    Don't defend someone who uses there followers to gain something they put no effort into doing when you stop working for something and getting others to do it for you completely devalues the title for yourself personally.

    It was cool but its not something I'd suggest as a true pirate legend because he didn't actually play the game pretty much to achieve it, he used his followers for his own agenda and in my view if you're a twitch / you-tuber that is the lowest of the low you don't use your followers you give them content not the other way about.

  • Neller2000

    @uvg-reign said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @edward-teaz boosting is frowned upon in any game

    Who gave you that idea? Boosting is commonplace in most games I've played and is a welcomed way to get your low level friend up to speed.

  • Darklaff I 9 I

    @edward-teaz he boosted his rank while players are grinding to pirate legend he didn't earn it his twitch follwers done all the work for him its lazy and disrespectful to players that are putting the work in for the rank

  • Le Joli Rouge
    Marauder
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    We're still talking about it? It's already getting old now... He succeeded being the first pirate legend, but he's not the only one anymore.

    So who cares?

  • BlackguardBeard

    @edward-teaz Do people really still care about this? Did he cheat? No. Did he boost? Yes. Did he get what he wanted (more attention)? Yes. Move along. Nothing to see here.

  • Neller2000

    @darklaff-i-9-i said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @edward-teaz he boosted his rank while players are grinding to pirate legend he didn't earn it his twitch follwers done all the work for him its lazy and disrespectful to players that are putting the work in for the rank

    Why not instead be angry at Rare for the total lackluster of content that awaits you at pirate legend? What did he do exactly to disrespect you?

  • Cyphronite
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    The whole rant is especially ridiculous because it doesn't give any advantage whatsoever in PVP to become Legend. Can't people just once drop their envy and have fun with another player? He and his supporters managed to organize a pretty fast way to get one player to Legendary. That definitely is an accomplishment.

  • Neller2000

    I guess that's the real problem, so many people crying because they can't do it his way themselves. Get more friends?

  • Sytoki
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    I don't think the guy should be witch hunted either but I also don't think he should be immortalized or admired for boosting his way to the top. Sure he didn't boost until the last 10ish levels, but those are the most important ones. I have level 40 in gold hoarders, but I'm only technically halfway to hitting 50 for that faction.

    When the grind got real is when he started boosting, and the reason I think people call it afk farming (although inaccurate) is because he got rewards while doing none of the work.

    He didn't do anything impressive, any streamer can get their fans (especially when his demographic is so young) to boost them to the top, most streamers don't, and those who do don't try to act cool about it and say things how it was never about the exposure and money (since his stream obviously hit a high point when he hit pirate legend), or that e could have done it without the "help".

    That's what grinds my gears, when he acts like he actually accomplished something, this is the equivalent to having fans bring ou weapons in fortnite battle royale games and then acting like you actually am good.

    Besides that I don't think he deserves any of the hate or harrassment he's been getting, after all it is just a game. That being said...
    #NotMyPirateLegend

  • Edward Teaz

    @captain-lumbo

    Again he did not use anybody, his twitch followers came up with the idea and wanted to help him.
    If someone gives me a gift without me asking I did not use them for that gift

    If you find evidence that this was not the case please post a source

  • Sloth242
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    @uvg-reign Thats not true. Its a common thing in Diablo 3.

    I don't understand why everyone is freaking out though. Its nothing special and everyone will be pirate legend eventually.

  • Captain Lumbo
    Castaway

    @edward-teaz he used his twitch followers regardless if someone come sup with the idea he still used them for his own personal agenda.

    Saying he didn't is just down right stupid also all the "sources you've posted is what he says its not even technically legitimate and could be debated on because its something he put forward.

    You can use someone for gifts you can use someone for money you can use someones kindness to your advantage stop being a fan boy.

  • Darklaff I 9 I

    @neller2000 said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @darklaff-i-9-i said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @edward-teaz he boosted his rank while players are grinding to pirate legend he didn't earn it his twitch follwers done all the work for him its lazy and disrespectful to players that are putting the work in for the rank

    Why not instead be angry at Rare for the total lackluster of content that awaits you at pirate legend? What did he do exactly to disrespect you?
    did even read what i wrote if you did the answer to your question is there

  • Belugadon
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    Saw his stream, and all i saw was a grown a*s man dressing like a 14 year old that didnt even know the basics of the game.

    I dont even consider him a part of this game.

  • ChrysDaze

    Finding a way and respecting pirate code to be pirate legend without using non legit way but doing the less fair play way... And finally being the first pirate legend... IT's what I call a pirate legend....Not a player legend, but at least pirate legend.
    I don't know what is it for you the definition of a true pirate, but for me a pirate is somebody that find a way to do what they want and generally not with the most "morale" way ahah

  • UVG Reign
    Founder

    @sloth242 said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @uvg-reign Thats not true. Its a common thing in Diablo 3.

    I don't understand why everyone is freaking out though. Its nothing special and everyone will be pirate legend eventually.

    I couldnt care less neither, but people wanted to be first. And when someone boosts to be #1 in any game with leaderboards (k/d, score per minute, etc) or such, its cheating. I know SOT doesnt have leaderboards but it was still something a lot of people are aiming for to get recognition, just like a leaderboard

  • Edward Teaz

    @elite-assasin87

    Thank you,

    Prime example of a well thought out answer and rationale for your point of view

    My main reason for liking the guy is that he has put a huge emphasis on sharing the legend benefits with others but I can see how you could feel differently

    I would also disagree and point out that building a community that would organize and be willing to help him like they did is an accomplishment, not just anyone can

  • Neller2000

    @darklaff-i-9-i said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @neller2000 said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @darklaff-i-9-i said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    @edward-teaz he boosted his rank while players are grinding to pirate legend he didn't earn it his twitch follwers done all the work for him its lazy and disrespectful to players that are putting the work in for the rank

    Why not instead be angry at Rare for the total lackluster of content that awaits you at pirate legend? What did he do exactly to disrespect you?
    did even read what i wrote if you did the answer to your question is there

    Yeah, nothing done there to disrespect you. Did he slow you down? No. Did he disconnect you from the game? No.

    All he did was something you're feeling butthurt over is possible and that you can't do it yourself, simple as that.

    He did nothing to disrespect me, I think it's pretty fun and awesome what he did.

  • Captain Lumbo
    Castaway

    @edward-teaz You talk like he is the only person that does it? All the other pirate legends do the exact same.

    He cheated the system.

    1. someones Kindness can be used to the point its wrong
    2. someones Gifts can be used to the point its wrong
      The people who don't like him have valid points because there was many people going for the legend status without being handed everything constantly for 8 hours.

    Its very clear you're a twitch viewer of his or you're trying to boost your rep on your profile with up votes because this topic died out ages ago, end of the day you're not right as it comes down to a matter of a opinion but sadly with SOT terms of rules it wages closer to those complaining.

  • Edward Teaz

    @captain-lumbo

    Reddit put forward both the stats on the amount of time in his run he was given loot

    The article also links to his stream which if watched will show that he wasn't boosting in the beginning of his run

    If you would like to refute something please post a source

  • Edward Teaz

    @neller2000

    I agree with your point but
    please keep comments respectful

  • Sloth242
    Marauder
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    @uvg-reign Ah true, I guess I can see how some people would be salty if he got a memorial in the game.

  • Nightmare247365
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    While I commend you for trying to defend someone, the answer is he manipulated the system for how it was intended and that is why he is not a true pirate legend.

    Sure, Laws, rules, guidelines really "are meant to be broken" or "have no enforcement" currently. However, he was disrespectful to the other pirates in the game.

    He broke 2 parts of the pirate code that this community created:

    Article 6: Respect New Pirates and Their Voyage Ahead
    May the old legends help to forge new ones: treat new pirates with respect and share your knowledge.

    Article 7: Those Who Cheat Shall Be Punished
    Pirates who show bad form and cheat their crew or others shall surely face bitter hardships and punishments.

    6: He damaged/broke this code by disrespecting all other players on the "race" to pirate legend. Sniper put the hard work and effort to grind to become the first Legend. Boosting (even if his community provided) is only caring for oneself and not for the health and state of the game. This is the utmost form of disrespect. (Edit: It also calls out that Legends should share knowledge, he boosted his way, did not understand how to do many things in the game, cannot fight, cannot sail, stands there and does nothing. So what "knowledge" did he learn along his voyage? The knowledge that others will do all the work for you if you ask? That manipulating the system is OK and should be rewarded. He adds nothing of value to this game or to the title Legend.)

    7: While I admit he did not cheat, he did not play the game as intended. This shows BAD FORM. The honorable thing to do would have been to boost a lower level rank 1-10 and work hard at the higher levels because that is a grind. I am alright with players who are lower levels joining higher level voyages, but not actually going out and completing the missions is a direct violation of the BAD FORM code article.

    I think the biggest thing is that he had his "minions" do all the work and then he was not knowledgable enough about the game to 1. Know how to get out of a loop of conversation with an NPC (I could even chalk this up to being stressed, but the image was that he was cool/calm/collected). 2. His community had to solve the riddle.

    So while you can state he is your true legend, I completely understand why the community believes he is not.

    Luckily his 15 minutes of fame are about up.

  • SirLiborius
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    As far as i realized, he wasn't able to understand the basicy of the game when he was becoming a legend, so he obviously was boosted mostly. Comparing time to Reputation point is an easy way to make it look like low percentage. The only important timestamp is when you cash something in.

    But i have to give him one point: by using/teaming up with his community, he basically wasn't a simple pirate or captain, he actually was a commodore or higher who had a whole fleet at hand.
    Also the dedication and support of his community is the impressive part, this seems more like the community achieved a goal (and will sadly not be listed completely for it).

  • Porkns
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    Don't really see the need to post a topic on one of the most fiercely controversial player events since release.

    It's a guaranteed way to start a flame-war.

    My question is; Who the hell cares anyway?

  • Edward Teaz

    @haxxorsauruz

    I understand you have a different point of view but please keep comments respectful

  • CaptainSloopDog

    Who cares?

    Really, who cares?

    The fact that someone felt the need to be the first legend is ... kinda sad really. Only made more pathetic by the fact that some people are upset about it.

  • Faal Zoor Kriid
    Founder

    Salty people will be salty

    White knights will be white knights

    People who don't care won't care

    Nobody has to agree on anything, just drop the issue and people will get over it, or at the very least stop flaming up the forums.

  • ChrysDaze

    For me is funny that the first pirate legend is certainly the worst player in the game.

    He maybe never sink any other ships.
    He doesn't know nothing about the game.
    He surely never made a quest alone xD

    ANd he have been a pirate legend....

    I mean, that's a pirate legend. He get being the first of something wanted by everyone, following the pirate code, doing it the worst way ... That's a pirate legend.

    Don't forget that he was selected by the community to show Legend content. In some RP games, the capitain is the one selected by the others.... So he was the capitain ahed of a big community and become a true legend.

  • Neller2000

    @sirliborius said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    As far as i realized, he wasn't able to understand the basicy of the game when he was becoming a legend, so he obviously was boosted mostly. Comparing time to Reputation point is an easy way to make it look like low percentage. The only important timestamp is when you cash something in.

    But i have to give him one point: by using/teaming up with his community, he basically wasn't a simple pirate or captain, he actually was a commodore or higher who had a whole fleet at hand.
    Also the dedication and support of his community is the impressive part, this seems more like the community achieved a goal (and will sadly not be listed completely for it).

    He was about rank 40 before he boosted, more lies from the jealous crowd. He knew exactly how to play the game but like any normal person who would prefer to not have brain damage from this useless grind he preferred the faster and completely allowed way.

  • McDougle99
    Founder

    @edward-teaz said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    Hello,

    I felt the need to make this post because it seems to be that Prod1gyX has become the target of a Witch Hunt that has spun way out of control.

    Issues I have seen most often with the #notmypiratelegend nonsense that I will be addressing

    1. He is said to have only boosted, never played the game
    2. He is said to have used afk bots to level
    3. He is said to have cheated

    Issue 1:
    According to a polygon article (link to article below)
    It was calculated that he was given loot by members of his community for roughly 22 percent of his run to legend.

    On top of this the sharing began towards the end of his run in the 40's and the idea orginated from his twitch followers who wanted to help the guy get to legend faster

    What seems to have happened is every person outside the the normal Prod1gyX following joined in at the last second and made assumptions about the way he got to legend based off the last few hours of his stream (i.e. a witch hunt)

    Issue 2:
    There is no evidence I could find of Prod1gyX utilizing afk farming as a serious method of leveling.
    Once again the polygon article describes how he went afk towards the end of his legend run for about an hour and people joining in ,because they heard someone was almost at legend, made assumptions

    Issue 3:
    Some might argue that ,regardless of the amount that was shared and whether or not others where willing, it still constitutes cheating and should illegitimize his status as the first pirate legend.

    My rebuttle comes from a developer video about the progression system (link below)

    “any crew member can bring their personal voyages to the crew, and share their progression with others” – Mike Chapman

    Rare has made it clear that you are allowed to share your loot with whoever you choose however you choose. Prod1gyX didn't server hop and share with unwilling participants. He was invited by them to share in their loot. He did not ask he was asked.

    Therefore I can't not see how it is possible that someone could be labeled a cheater who has not broken any written rule of the game and who has followed the design principle of the game.

    Closing Points:
    It seems to me that most people on the #notmypiratelegend bandwagon are either

    People who tuned into the end of his stream and made assumptions about how he had been playing for days

    Or

    People who heard rumors from such people and got mad without looking up anything

    People also made assumptions as to how good he is at the game based off a tiny portion of watching him play and threw that log onto the fire as well.

    But you know what ,none of anything above is why this guy is a #TruePirateLegend for me it's because

    "Now Prod1gyX spends his time helping other players participate in the unlockable legendary quests, which require a Pirate Legend on board to access. Even with the occasional player bursting into chat to encourage toxic behavior or drop hate speech, the streamer considers himself “beyond blessed.”

    Besides, the way he sees it, he’s just playing the game like a true pirate." -polygon

    If you stayed tuned after his stream after he hit legend (which I did), the first thing this guy did was share the hideout and legendary voyages with people outside his main crew

    That is just a good guy undeserving of a witchhunt.

    With that I rest my case.

    If anyone would like to argue this point I would ask that you please do so respectfully and in a thought out manner.

    Please explain the rationale behind your point of view

    If you make any claims please back them up with evidence and post sources

    Sources:
    Polgon article:

    Allegra Frank  /  Apr 2, 2018  /  News

    Sea of Thieves’ first ‘Pirate Legend’ defends his title amid player backlash

    Sea of Thieves’ first ‘Pirate Legend’ defends his title amid player backlash

    “I’m not here to satisfy you, I’m here to satisfy my community”

    Developer video on progression:

    Here's the real hot take: who cares?

    he is just a regular person in a house who happened to press "stream" before he played, no one should be putting him or any others on pedestals as if the are gods.

    Yeah he cheesed his way to legend status... how does it ruin my game?

    People really need to stop being so hung up on it, if anything the more you argue about it the more real life money he makes, for essentially not doing very much at all.

  • Neller2000

    @chrysdaze said in Why Prod1gyX is my #TruePirateLegend (with sources):

    For me is funny that the first pirate legend is certainly the worst player in the game.

    He maybe never sink any other ships.
    He doesn't know nothing about the game.
    He surely never made a quest alone xD

    ANd he have been a pirate legend....

    I mean, that's a pirate legend. He get being the first of something wanted by everyone, following the pirate code, doing it the worst way ... That's a pirate legend.

    Don't forget that he was selected by the community to show Legend content. In some RP games, the capitain is the one selected by the others.... So he was the capitain ahed of a big community and become a true legend.

    How does he not know anything about the game? He was 80% done before he even started getting boosted.

  • ChrysDaze

    @neller2000

    I don't care but lot of people say he is a pretty noob. If it is correct, it would be funny to consider the fact that a noob was pirate legend before other good pirate.

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