Yea.... That seems legit...
Maybe try as Elon Musk did with his Flamethrower and call it "not a Flamethrower".
Chat censorship
@b3dr0ck1999 I'd heard about him selling those but have't looked into why he's selling something the Geneva convention considers a war crime.
I do remember a tweet from a while ago about an American man being arrested for using a flamethrower to clear snow on his property stating at the time "i don't have the willpower needed to shovel 4 tons of white [mod edit]"
For any word you use that offends another person they can sue MS and Rare for damages. Safe Harbor doesn't exist. They are an accomplices to any crime that happens on their service or any action taken by a user of their services. All this whether they know about it or not.
Expect this to happen more. They are trying to limit their liability.
Don't like it? If you are in the USA talk to your representative and be sure to vote. The specific law is FOSTA-SESTA.
Parental Controls Exist., while sure, the Company (Microsoft / Rare) do have a Duty to provide Filtering Options on both Voice and Text Chat with a Clear Notification that Interactions via either may not be suitable for under-18s with these Features Disabled.
It is also relatively easy to lock options for non-Adult Accounts.
As such Text Filtering can be Enabled by Default, with only "Friends" or "Good Standing" Accounts allowed to communicate via Voice.No, simply providing an Mute Option is not good enough for Voice.
Given the Game Supports both Text-to-Speech and Speech-to-Text., this is easy enough to provide Filtering without outright disabling Voice Communications.Yet not providing an option for Adult Account to Disable Chat Filtering, regardless of the Games Rating is simply laziness being excused by nonsense such-as "There are no Safe Harbours for Microsoft under the Law"... and frankly we actually NEED Big Corporations, such-as Microsoft to actually stand up to the expanding Anti-Free Speech and Expression Legislations (many of which are ILLEGAL, but there is no resource for the Individual Citizen without a Costly and Lengthy Court Case that will only ever see success at the Supreme Levels., which few can ever afford to reach for Appeal)
Companies like Microsoft at in a position both Financially and Influentially to help put an end to such Orwellian Nonsense that has been Feature Creeping for many years now.
Yet instead they're cow-toeing to the insanity and inanity of Governments., something that as the Restrictions continue will eventually regardless of how carefully they try to tread those lines WILL cost them anyway; and much bigger.It isn't just in Microsoft' best interest to fight this, but also they should be considering the potential Good Will they'll generate with Consumers being one of the few Business' willing to fight for such.
I know this might sound silly given we're basically just talking about a Chat Feature., but actually take the time to consider where this is going.
Microsoft already have working prototypes of Machine Learning peoples voices., and have been experimenting with it for 5 years (in internal tests) to construct a TTS Voice for different languages via Microsoft Translate.As is showcased in Sea of Thieves., (and as an Option on Xbox and Xbox App) they're already supporting Real-Time TTS and Speech Recognition for Communication purposes.
While sure 3rd Party Applications do exist for gaming (such-as Skype, Discord, etc.) … well you can be sure that Skype will also have this Feature by default., and other services like Discord will be also forced to implement similar systems via ever Restrictive Legislation.When this happens, then the ability to Filter and Censor even Voice Communication will become a Reality... and you don't think that won't be used or enforced?
Again, while to a degree I think Censored Voice and Text is reasonable for Young Children and Teenagers., when it comes to Adults, are you going to honestly claim that you're perfectly okay with some 3rd Party not just telling you, but automatically auditing what and how you say things to your Friends?And don't give me BS about that never happening., because people in the UK are already being prosecuted for Private and Direct Messages to their Friends and Family on Twitter and Facebook... regardless if any "Offensive" is taken., which is frankly such an arbitrary and subjective concept.
The Ratings Boards, are supposed to be there to be a GUIDE to Content... nothing more., nothing less. It's up to Parents to decide what their Children are and aren't shielded from NOT the Government.
You Child, Hearing or Seeing a Cuss Word... will not Hurt them.
It might lead to some uncomfortable questions if you're shielding them from such., but those are questions you'll end up having with them sooner-or-later anyway.You CAN NOT Protect Children from Life. Nor should you attempt to.
And no one certainly had any Right to Protect Adults from it either... frankly if you're incapable of handling reality by the time you're an Adult you have much bigger problems than a few bad words (or as is increasingly the case, sentiments or sentences YOU don't agree with) on Social Media or a Video Game.And here's the kicker of it all., Children when they do learn "Bad Words" (such a stupid term) cling on to them BECAUSE of the Taboo made about them. When something is no longer Taboo., it looses ALL of it's Power to be Edgy, Cool or Naughty to engage with and people simply won't.
Normalise something to just be normal vernacular and well, it simply no longer is used.
So, really all that's being achieved through Shielding by making it Taboo is instead of Normalising and ultimately leading to a reduction of what some would consider a "Problem" … instead you're encouraging it's usage and beyond the "Control"., because people will simply shift to Xbox Live Parties., Discord, TeamSpeak, etc.
The only way you'll stop that is by then cracking down on them too.In the mean time, no one in the game itself will talk to each other., simply because it's easier to communicate outside of it. This results in the Players like A LOT of Games, especially on PC... where everyone becomes Anti-Social in a game where you're supposed to be Socialising.
This nonsense is KILLING Social Media Platforms., but no the Powers-that-Be think that this is resolving the Mother Hen Clucking they're doing; before realising there's now a new Platform to go after because of "Hate Speech" and such.
It's both insanity and stupid. Yet more, you're pushing people away from your platform.
You can Control the Created Content in the Game... YOU CAN NOT Control the Interactions between People., and doesn't matter how the hell you legislate this will NEVER change. You'll just be causing people to become frustrated and angry with their freedom to be themselves taken away.@leyvin your views on "You Child, Hearing or Seeing a Cuss Word... will not Hurt them." are irrelevant beyond your own child. I couldn't care less how you raise your child.
your entire post is confusing....and possibly copy and pasted.
also FYI, any free speech ends when you agree to a services ToS. The clause being, 'you agree to the rules we set out or you stop using the service.' there is an out. If you don't agree to the rules/limitations you are 'free' to log out.
It's censored because people are stupid. They think kids don't already hear every word before they're out of 3rd grade. Kids playing a game where they kill each other and can trap a person and watch them drown over and over in a sadistic manner, that's completely fine. Having their delicate little ears hearing the synonym for p**p? (Mod Edited)?!
They hide behind the notion that every kid is different and you shouldn't tell other parents how to raise their kid/s. (Mod Edited). Teaching them that words are dangerous is the reason some words have so much power over others still. Instead of teaching them that they're just words but should still be used accordingly(like not screaming them in public for example) let's just teach them that they're all naughty and using them is an act worse than murder.
@lemonwave236035 I have head most of the swear words under the Sun, but I'm not daft enough that I feel the need to use them.
the fact that some children are not raised correctly, shouldn't mean that you should just accept it and raise a waste of skin.
you feel the need to swear to feel good, crack on...but no one else needs to hear it.
as for using them in public, you are not in public. this is a forum with a set of rules that you agreed to.
@lemonwave236035 I'm not a parent, but '..kids don't already hear every word before they're out of 3rd grade." is not an excuse for letting them.
censoring is not stupid, letting people get away with everything then throwing a free speech flag is.
chat is filtered because not all kids are sweary and some parent care. why would anyone let their child play a game if they were subjected to constant, ignorant abuse?
yes, swearing, when asked not to, is ignorant, impolite and against the rules agreed to when someone signed up.
@triheadedmonkey "not swearing is easier.."
Not everybody has the privilege of a vast vocabulary.
"People of all ages play the game. They shouldn't be subjected to swearing."
Why not? Do words give you organ failure? Did words kill your family? Swear words being considered "bad" is an extremely ancient and old-fashioned mentality.
I could just as easily call people a Mushroom or Pancake in a derogatory context, and it would have the same effect, should we censor those words too? At what point does this censoring stop? There are chat rooms on mixer where they have censored the word "pistol", "skin", "handgun" and "cosmetic" and bans anyone accidentally using those words in ANY context for 10 minutes... You think that's fair? That is censorship, mate, you really want this to be a thing?
My point is, Censorship is bad, universally bad, people should talk the way they want to... Especially because some people have problems with vocabulary, they don't have the luxury of rephrasing themselves, and communication is important...
Should these people be denied the option to communicate just because their vocabulary is low? That's rather unfair.
People who are pro-censorship are the type of people who would ignore problems instead of dealing with them, instead of solving them, the type of people who would oppress people to preserve their own emotions, their own ego...
I am for free speech, because i'm a decent human being that understands that open communication is important for the survival and evolution of our species.
@triheadedmonkey I never brought up the free speech argument. I think that argument is faulty and falls flat.
You know why most slurs don't get spammed? Why I could get away with typing certain slurs in the in-game chat? It's because those are forgotten because the groups those slurs affected didn't really care enough for it to stick.
You know why words like door and can't aren't used to harass people? It's because nobody gave them this special meaning and some how got others to believe in that meaning. If you treat words like [mod edit] and so on like normal words then they wouldn't be swear words. They wouldn't be used to harass. They would be normal words with no power.
It's people like you that give words the very power you wish they didn't have. In today's world kid's get on the internet, either at home or at a friend's house. They will find the naughty swear words. They'll probably find p**n or worse. None of it is hard to find anymore and the more that kid's are sheltered from things instead of taught what they are and how to deal with them the more those kid's will be behind.
But keep to your ideals of giving words power and watch as the kid's you one day raise spam the hell out of them when they think you aren't around because they feel like it gives them power when they do.
@sweltering-nick I am for the proper use of language (specifically English) because proper use is a dying art it seems.
It might be easier to just swear, whether by abbreviation or just intentionally spelling it out, but I would be almost willing to bet my left arm, that anyone typing a swear word (in any language) would know it was a swear word before typing it. therefore chooses to type it, contrary to the rule someone agreed with when they signed up.
@lemonwave236035 and that would be the reason the problem exists....and will exist if you ever have the misfortune to spawn
My 8 year old daughter plays and loves sot. We play together a lot. But i had to turn down proximity chat all the way bc of people's fowl mouths. I'm an adult. I understand the passion of gaming. But it sucks that my daughter is missing out on such a cool aspect of this game. Honestly the prox chat is one of my favorite features
@xxdbssxx it is a massive shame that you need to miss out on Proximity chat just for the foul mouths of others, but I would suggest the looking for groups option on Xbox/Xbox App or the official discord
granted it won't totally negate the foulness of others but its a start! ;)Join the Sea of Thieves Discord Server!
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If anything they could have done a better job of it. Believe it or not, I saw someone calling someone else a derogatory term for someone of a darker complexion and a bundle of sticks in text chat without it being censored. Meanwhile, you can't type [mod edit], which is a normal harmless word in Norwegian and not even a word in English.
It's asinine that "swear" words are considered offensive, anyway. Just another holdover from ridiculous religious draconian domination, a cancerous tumor that we can never fully remove or recover from. [mod edit] What's the difference? Arbitrarily assigned value from delusional and ignorant ancients, that's what.
I can get behind censoring identity epithets. They often have foul origins and are more akin to personal attacks, before any SJW presume and jump all over me about it. However, censoring Jew seems a little excessive, if not offensive in itself. Reminds me of the old Gamepro forums years ago. Assume became "bunsume." How far we have not come.
@triheadedmonkey "I am for the proper use of language (specifically English) because proper use is a dying art it seems."
I agree, i try my best whenever possible, but unfortunately, my vocabulary is low... But i make the best of what i got.
When frustration, or amusement takes place, in the case of people not listening, or me feeling the need to crack a joke, swear words manifest... Because i don't know any other way to get my point across.
"but I would be almost willing to bet my left arm, that anyone typing a swear word (in any language) would know it was a swear word before typing it."
That's irrelevant, censorship isn't justified by intent... That would give you the right to shut people up for merely disagreeing with you... That's stupid.
[mod edit]
Why do we need to censor these words? ._.
There is literally no objective reason to censor swear words, only subjective reasons... This brings us back to the argument i made that the only pro-censorship people are those who wish to preserve their own emotions, their own ego, at the expense of other people, at the expense of their ability to communicate, just so YOU wont have to experience feelings that are not positive, just so YOU wont have to evolve as a person. It's disgusting! :S
It is a sick and diseased way of managing the masses, born from an outdated culture that burned people for being witches and [mod edit]... It's savage and primitive and quite honestly, we should've evolved past it long ago. : /
You should be for free speech, unconditionally, for countless reasons mate.
"contrary to the rule someone agreed with when they signed up."
Yeah, this argument FOR free speech, is also against a few of the forum rules... You don't get to hide behind the forum rules to justify censorship. That's not how this works.
@loki-tdd said in Chat censorship:
Microsoft are always heavy handed on the swear filter, oddly enough in Ark (on xbox) i can't label a storage locker Flamethrower ammo because the swear filter won't allow it... in a game with a s*****g flamethrower
Lol. Reminds me of the Crusader Kings II steam forum where you can't write [mod edit], and illegitimate children is a major gameplay mechanic.
@xxdbssxx Yes, I am tired of all these people with chickens and ducks bursting from their mouths. Why just the other day some irredeemable cur in my crew had the unmitigated audacity to utter the words guineafowl AND quail in the same sentence. Heavens to Betsy, I fear the prospect of one day coming across some deviant monster who dares to say turkey. faints at the mere thought
@sweltering-nick I don't need to hide behind anything...
If you are reading this, you are subject to the rules of the forum.... Sea of Thieves Official Forum Rules
I would argue (against my better judgement and intuition) that intent and context is the only reason. saying something is c**p is different to saying someONE is c**p for example.
but there are words that are on a 'list'
we all know them, most kids probably know them....but still...just don't?
little common courtesy if nothing else
@triheadedmonkey said in Chat censorship:
@a-darn-zombie just because you don't, doesn't mean everybody doesn't, and the first is abbreviated swearing.
@b3dr0ck1999 being a pirate game makes no difference whatsoever. to maintain the rating the game has, I imagine that profanity needs to be filtered.
Voice chat can be muted, so no problem there.
But by OP's logic, curses could be "muted" as well. You would have the option to see either no curses or have it not censor. How is this different from muting vc?
@capn-tonis you can pre-filter text chat with a simple list, voice chat is a whole different ball game...hence the mute function
@b3dr0ck1999 I kinda agree why even care with all the trolls screaming profanities every time you encounter someone the gaming community has become a giant cesspool I’m completely down for competitive banter but the incessant n-word spam of a thousand idiots ruins your language guards
@triheadedmonkey "I don't need to hide behind anything..."
Yes you are. Merely saying that is irrelevant to me, it's whether or not your behavior and actions match what you said that matters to me.
"If you are reading this, you are subject to the rules of the forum..."
See? I knew you were hiding behind it. :)
I mean, you're not wrong, but the only reason you would bring that up is to hide behind it."saying something is c**p is different to saying someONE is c**p for example."
As far as communication is concerned, it's not. Communication isn't just smooth sailing and butterflies mate, it has a dark side, if you can't deal with that... Then you have a serious mental issue.
"but there are words that are on a 'list'"
What are you saying?
"we all know them, most kids probably know them....but still...just don't?"
What, are you shy about this or something? Why are you being vague?
"little common courtesy if nothing else"
Why? So you don't have to deal your emotions? So you can continue to keep yourself from evolving as a person?
Just FYI, my common courtesy comes in the form of brutal honesty... Are you able to appreciate that, or do you feel the need to censor me? If you do feel the need to censor me, then what does common courtesy look to you?
Walking around on eggshells all day long, soothing lies? Afraid to bring up a controversial topic out of fear of hurting the other persons feelings, resulting in you engaging in nothing but smalltalk all day, ultimately getting nowhere with communication?
Whenever i start speaking in a manner of which you would call "polite", that is me having lost all respect for you, so i stop telling you the truth and only feed you the lies that you want to hear. Because soothing lies are disrespectful, it assumes the other person isn't strong enough to handle the impact of what you want to say.
Are swear words too impactful for you? Are derogatory terms too impactful for you? When someone calls you an idiot, do you feel like an idiot, or do you understand what it means to be called an idiot?
@dhg-ixxrmacxxi "continue to keep chat acceptable to everyone and not condone offensive language of any kind."
This censored chat is unacceptable for those of us who are pro-free speech. :O
How will you address this issue?
@b3dr0ck1999 said in Chat censorship:
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@triheadedmonkey sagte in Chat censorship:
Voice chat can be muted, so no problem there.
Are you serious? That's what I asked for. At least giving us the choice of toggling it on or off ourselfs.
There are also parental controls that can be used to block strangers from voice with those underage, not sure those work for the text.
@sweltering-nick Unfortunately you will have to follow the rules of chat, by playing the game you are accepting the ToC of XBL and Microsoft and will follow the rules they have in place.
@dhg-ixxrmacxxi "Unfortunately you will have to follow the rules of chat, by playing the game you are accepting the ToC of XBL and Microsoft and will follow the rules they have in place."
I respect that, but i'm afraid this means the chat will remain, forever unacceptable for those who are pro-free speech. So clearly not everyone, yes?
@sweltering-nick "Free speech" Does not apply to anything other than the government and does not mean the right to say whatever you want to whomever you want. Minors are protected.
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