PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!

I hear people saying "Introduce PvE and the game will be dead!"

Sounds like a desperate plea not to change the game so that it suits everyone and keep it the way it is because it's more fun for the plunderers if all the weaker players stick around.

I don't want to be cannon fodder for all the good players but would love a PvE option so that I could keep the game.

I will be trading in this potentially excellent game for Far Cry 5 next week because I prefer SOLO offline play. If SOT ever gets an Offline/Campaign mode, I would definitely buy it again but getting plundered and killed every five minutes by a++++++s gets old real quick.

@cliffyboy1962
if u get killed every 5 mins you are TERRIBLE at the game. the most i get killed by other players is maybe once every few hours.
The PvP doesnt work without the people who do PvE too. i do both, fyi. i do more quests and dont hunt down players, but if one comes close ill fight.
The reason for this is because most players sink people to try and get their loot. If everyone does the same, no one would get loot and there is no longer any point for PvP or quests.

90% of the time I have played solo in SOT. I have sunk zero ships and only been sunk once. My boat was anchored at the time so I put that down to my own vigilance slipping rather than them being trolls. I did find it slightly annoying that when I respawned it was very close to their ship but I then jus proceded to out maneuver them and high tailed it out of there. Also remember that at the moment this game is free through game pass for 14 days. I wouldn't judge the player base or game until that period is over. In my opinion most people who have the 'free trial' will have their fun and then not cough up for the full price anyway. That being said it is a pirate game and is literaly call Sea of THEIVES and everyones opinion on what is fun is different

@nightraven12345 said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

The PvP doesnt work without the people who do PvE too.

If the actual pillar supporting the PvP in this game is for PvE players to get abused, the game will crumble as soon as the PvErs realize and stop playing/leave for a more friendly and stress-free game. Who want's to play mouse on a cat vs mouse game?

@edward-doe Exactly. the players who do not what the experience of playing this game SHOULD leave. No one will fault them for leaving a game that is obviously not for them. There are plenty of player who do both, or just do quests but understand and accept others may try to loot them.

Also, let me be clear. I Never said they are being abused. its one of the core concepts of the game. You can loot, and be looted, at any time. Thats a cornerstone of the game.

Play another game than.

@edward-doe Also, the VAST majority of the playerbase do both pvp and pve. Sure its frustrating getting sunk, and loseing your hard earned loot, but thats what this game is about. theres risk. If everyone who didnt want to take part in the pvp just never opened the game again, we would lose a very small % of the playerbase.

That "this is not for you" attitude, I've seen it before in other games and it ended up pretty well for them.

@edward-doe If someone doesnt like one of the concepts the game was designed around (if u check old interviews, one of the biggest things they wanted in game was the player interaction, including the pvp aspects they dont like) then they want one of the cores of the game to change. Thats like me buying a toaster then going off and complaining that it doesnt warm up pizza. If they dont like the premise of the game, then dont play it. its a product. You dont ask the product to change, u change which product you are using.

@nightraven12345

I've played about 10 hours and died at the hands of outpost campers maybe about 10 times. They weren't always an attempt to get my loot, in fact most of them were just plain killing me coz I was there. I have had no trouble with PvE combat and have done a couple of sessions with a galleon crew but I can't kill the jumping, bouncing, sidestepping real human players as I can't work the shooting/slashing mechanic of these type of games (PUBG/Fortnite etc.) It's just a thing.

I want a mode where I can enjoy all the cool things about the game but without being the victim of the predatorial players. That's all.

@oneeyedheathen I can tell you. Do not try to befriend ANYONE in this game that's not on your ship. They will ALL kill you with malice. That's the game.

@cliffyboy1962 You say "Mode" not understanding how much work would have to go into changing the game in a way other players cannot cause you grief.
1)Would have to change the way ship collision works
2) Would have to add much more content to give any real risk factor
3) There would no longer be any point to having only cosmetic items, and people would realise that and pressure devs to add stat upgrades even more.
4) They would have to make it so players cant take goods off your ship, which is harder than it sounds, trust me. I admire the countless days and weeks it must have taken just so players see the same waves in the same places.

@nightraven12345 said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@edward-doe Also, the VAST majority of the playerbase do both pvp and pve. Sure its frustrating getting sunk, and loseing your hard earned loot, but thats what this game is about. theres risk. If everyone who didnt want to take part in the pvp just never opened the game again, we would lose a very small % of the playerbase.

I hope for you're sake you are right, but I am not so sure. You might find after a few weeks there'll be tumbleweed blowing across empty outposts with sailors crying "Just give me one more noob to kill!" "Please"

@dansking said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@luke-pawlowski If there was an option to play PvE only, the game would be dead.
The only people who enabled PvP would be the most bloodthristy of the bunch and PvP servers would be absolutely mad.

I have played solo sloop and even i love playing on a PvP server, it would be pretty boring if i could play with no risks.

While I am definitely not advocating to have a PvE-Only server ... I never understand your argument.

If I understand it - you don't want a PvE-Only Server because it would mean no one is on the PvP one. Does this not mean that the majority of people don't want PvP? And thus, the PvP element is hurting the game?

It's almost a capitalist argument AGAINST PvP.

@nightraven12345 said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@cliffyboy1962 You say "Mode" not understanding how much work would have to go into changing the game in a way other players cannot cause you grief.
1)Would have to change the way ship collision works
2) Would have to add much more content to give any real risk factor
3) There would no longer be any point to having only cosmetic items, and people would realise that and pressure devs to add stat upgrades even more.
4) They would have to make it so players cant take goods off your ship, which is harder than it sounds, trust me. I admire the countless days and weeks it must have taken just so players see the same waves in the same places.

I get that what I am asking isn't all that likely to happen but it's more about explaining why I am leaving I suppose, than a genuine request for change.

@cliffyboy1962 If anything, the only way i see that happening is if the bugs dont get fixed, and no content gets added after a few months

@nightraven12345 said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@cliffyboy1962 You say "Mode" not understanding how much work would have to go into changing the game in a way other players cannot cause you grief.
1)Would have to change the way ship collision works
2) Would have to add much more content to give any real risk factor
3) There would no longer be any point to having only cosmetic items, and people would realise that and pressure devs to add stat upgrades even more.
4) They would have to make it so players cant take goods off your ship, which is harder than it sounds, trust me. I admire the countless days and weeks it must have taken just so players see the same waves in the same places.

1- They wouldn't need to. It's PvE not god mode.
2- No need to.
3- Literally the same point as in PvP. Maybe even more because other people will actually get close enough to you to check your character and see your 100k grog cup, instead of killing you immediately.
4- They already track this as there is an achievement for stealing and turning in a chest from another crew.

No, if this game was all inclusive they could have remedied this easily. Add NPC Ships. Simple and period correct. The East Indian Company as NPC targets would do several things. It would give the so called PvP crowd targets and loot to go after. It would also keep the heat of, at least some, on the PvE crowd. I hear you now. Well that's not PvP! What you have now isn't true PvP either. Its you killing people that have no interest in killing you. Name 1 PvP game that does that? There aren't any because that's not PvP so save it.

@luke-pawlowski said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

I can honestly say that I have no desire to ever fight another group of pirates. Ever. Hand-to-hand combat is not good, and boat-to-boat combat is just alright. What I really want to do is explore the world and get treasure.

I understand that there are people that only want to fight other pirates, and that's fine. All I ask is that I'm allowed to play in a world where I'm not forced into doing it ALL THE TIME. Playing solo or duo is a massive disadvantage. When galleons can just wonder apon you and troll hard, it really ruins the fun factor of the game. Two times already I've come across a four person while playing solo or duo and have them steal all of our s**t (erasing ~1.5 hours of time), and then proceed to camp our boat killing us over and over until they get bored. It's the kind of thing that makes me never want to play this game again when it happens.

The stealing the treasure part isn't the worst. It's that AND then proceeding to just troll us. When they finally sink our boat our new one spawns really close to them, so the entire experience is spent running away from a******s and not enjoying the game.

I honestly think that if there was a world where you weren't allowed to hurt other people, or sink their boats, but were still allowed to steal their stuff, so sneakily doing it was required, that that would be a lot more fun that what is now.

No it wouldnt, since some people would do just that. And still destroy 1,5 hours of gaming (since turing in loot is the thing that matters as for now).

It would be the same discussion, only about people that nagged a chest (which I did to a crew that sunk me btw :) )

@edward-doe said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@nightraven12345 said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@cliffyboy1962 You say "Mode" not understanding how much work would have to go into changing the game in a way other players cannot cause you grief.
1)Would have to change the way ship collision works
2) Would have to add much more content to give any real risk factor
3) There would no longer be any point to having only cosmetic items, and people would realise that and pressure devs to add stat upgrades even more.
4) They would have to make it so players cant take goods off your ship, which is harder than it sounds, trust me. I admire the countless days and weeks it must have taken just so players see the same waves in the same places.

1- They wouldn't need to. It's PvE not god mode.
2- No need to.
3- Literally the same point as in PvP. Maybe even more because other people will actually get close enough to you to check your character and see your 100k grog cup, instead of killing you immediately.
4- They already track this as there is an achievement for stealing and turning in a chest from another crew.

First off, i didnt know about how they track the point you made about #4, as my achievements still are not working. rip.
And while you say for #1 theres no need to, people who want a pve mode have said, and i quote; "maybe they can add ship bumpers", so the people who want pve arent in agreement with you it seems.
For #2, i guess thats more of a opinion thing, but this is a pirate game gosh darnet! What these people are looking for is a merchant / sailing sim. But i digress, that point is more of a opinion thing.
For #3, if they add a 100k grog cup im gonna kms. that being said however this one is more of a opinion than anything.
I may have gone about explaining it wrongly, but at the end of the day this game is exactly what the developers said it was going to be. The people who got the game knew this, played it, didnt like it, and now want the game to be changed to meet their needs.

@dansking said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@luke-pawlowski If there was an option to play PvE only, the game would be dead.
The only people who enabled PvP would be the most bloodthristy of the bunch and PvP servers would be absolutely mad.

Exactly. The only people this game is for is griefers and if they don't have victims they will all quit.

@ogshawnyboy-tt I think i made a post mentioning this. THIS IS NOT A PVP, OR A PVE GAME. It was never advertised as such. Its a multiplayer pirate sandbox. You do what you want, with what you are given.
Thats the game people. Thats what it was supposed to be. You don't buy something thats exactly as advertised then ask for the premise of the game to change. Thats not how it works people.

@flowerofcarnage said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@dansking said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@luke-pawlowski If there was an option to play PvE only, the game would be dead.
The only people who enabled PvP would be the most bloodthristy of the bunch and PvP servers would be absolutely mad.

Exactly. The only people this game is for is griefers and if they don't have victims they will all quit.

@flowerofcarnage said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@dansking said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@luke-pawlowski If there was an option to play PvE only, the game would be dead.
The only people who enabled PvP would be the most bloodthristy of the bunch and PvP servers would be absolutely mad.

Exactly. The only people this game is for is griefers and if they don't have victims they will all quit.

To be fair my PvP encounters hasnt been much of greifing. But it seems to happen when they mix my prefered playstyle (PvE) with PvP, quite a lot.

@tzeraph Yeah, being sunk and looted isnt griefing. its part of the game.

Also, i think i posted a perfect reply adressing the issue of people wanting the game changed for them. ill just paste it here. ;
"i just dont understand it. people seem to forget that games, by definition, are a PRODUCT. Heres a example of what that means.
"Say you buy a movie to watch with your kids. you did 0 research about this. Its advertised as a action war movie. It Turns out to have gore! Oh lordy lordy my kids cant watch this! But due to the fact i didnt do any research, this is not what i was looking for! What do i do now? Do i
A)Get a different movie, understanding that that movie does not fit what you were looking for?
Or
B) go to a forum, complain about the otherwise great movie and ask for all gore and violence to be removed from the war movie?
The average person would choose A. The people who are asking for no PvP are choosing B. Thats why i cannot take them seriously."

@ogshawnyboy-tt said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

No, if this game was all inclusive they could have remedied this easily. Add NPC Ships. Simple and period correct. The East Indian Company as NPC targets would do several things. It would give the so called PvP crowd targets and loot to go after. It would also keep the heat of, at least some, on the PvE crowd. I hear you now. Well that's not PvP! What you have now isn't true PvP either. Its you killing people that have no interest in killing you. Name 1 PvP game that does that? There aren't any because that's not PvP so save it.

I agree wholeheartedly with you - but the Division did it as well.

Most people complained about having to go play in the "Dark Zone" because it was PvP and PvE. But you had the 'git gud' crowd saying "don't play in the DZ if you don't want PvP" ... as if there were options.

I don't like different servers, I don't necessarily like PvP (although I do in this game, I just don't initiate it) ... but I loathe how PvP-fans react to people that don't want to play their game.

If you want a PvE server ... "it'll kill the game".
How? ... "People will only play there".
Doesn't that mean people don't want PvP? ... "No. It just means they aren't good."

It's an absurd argument.

@captainsloopdog said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@ogshawnyboy-tt said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

No, if this game was all inclusive they could have remedied this easily. Add NPC Ships. Simple and period correct. The East Indian Company as NPC targets would do several things. It would give the so called PvP crowd targets and loot to go after. It would also keep the heat of, at least some, on the PvE crowd. I hear you now. Well that's not PvP! What you have now isn't true PvP either. Its you killing people that have no interest in killing you. Name 1 PvP game that does that? There aren't any because that's not PvP so save it.

I agree wholeheartedly with you - but the Division did it as well.

Most people complained about having to go play in the "Dark Zone" because it was PvP and PvE. But you had the 'git gud' crowd saying "don't play in the DZ if you don't want PvP" ... as if there were options.

I don't like different servers, I don't necessarily like PvP (although I do in this game, I just don't initiate it) ... but I loathe how PvP-fans react to people that don't want to play their game.

If you want a PvE server ... "it'll kill the game".
How? ... "People will only play there".
Doesn't that mean people don't want PvP? ... "No. It just means they aren't good."

It's an absurd argument.

I'm pretty much with you. Answer: ALL hardcore PvPers are GRIEFERS. Truth Bomb.

@ogshawnyboy-tt Uhh... excuse you? People who do pvp alot are griefers? In a game where one of the cornerstones of the game is the pvp and interactions with others players? Huuuuuuuuuh?! No. Spawn killing can to a extent can be called be griefing. Sinking peoples ships and killing them is not, in any extent, griefing.

I'm honestly amazed by the frequency i'm seeing these topics/conversations.

I'm also amazed at the disposable income you all have available!

When I spend up to £60 on something, it's fair to say i know what i'm buying. On those rare occasions where I feel cheated, I seek a refund and move on, I don't demand that it's changed because I made a poor decision and purchased something that doesn't suit my taste.

I'm sorry, but the information regarding the nature of this game and it's open-world PvP was there since day 1.
At no point have we been deceived into purchasing a product that offers something we didn't expect.

I'd rather the Devs spent their valuable time improving the game as it is. Instead of pandering to players who want a different experience to one that was advertised.

Please research your purchase in future.

@blam320 said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

On the flip side, some of the hardcore PvP-only crowd wants RARE to add legitimate matchmaking and PvP-dedicated arenas. Because all they care about is killing other players; they aren't true pirates, attacking other ships for their cargo. They want to turn the game into Blackwake 2.0: a generic shooter with pirate simulator-themed elements.

Segregating PvP from PvE would completely destroy the core of the game. Not to mention such an act would drive away the main playerbase, who came for the full pirate experience, PvP and PvE alike.

THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE. This is pretty much exactly why i disagree with anyone wanting to add modes to this game.

@captainsloopdog said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

@ogshawnyboy-tt said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

No, if this game was all inclusive they could have remedied this easily. Add NPC Ships. Simple and period correct. The East Indian Company as NPC targets would do several things. It would give the so called PvP crowd targets and loot to go after. It would also keep the heat of, at least some, on the PvE crowd. I hear you now. Well that's not PvP! What you have now isn't true PvP either. Its you killing people that have no interest in killing you. Name 1 PvP game that does that? There aren't any because that's not PvP so save it.

I agree wholeheartedly with you - but the Division did it as well.

Most people complained about having to go play in the "Dark Zone" because it was PvP and PvE. But you had the 'git gud' crowd saying "don't play in the DZ if you don't want PvP" ... as if there were options.

I don't like different servers, I don't necessarily like PvP (although I do in this game, I just don't initiate it) ... but I loathe how PvP-fans react to people that don't want to play their game.

If you want a PvE server ... "it'll kill the game".
How? ... "People will only play there".
Doesn't that mean people don't want PvP? ... "No. It just means they aren't good."

It's an absurd argument.

I'm pretty much with you. Answer: ALL hardcore PvPers are GRIEFERS. Truth Bomb.