PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!

  • Luke Pawlowski
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    I can honestly say that I have no desire to ever fight another group of pirates. Ever. Hand-to-hand combat is not good, and boat-to-boat combat is just alright. What I really want to do is explore the world and get treasure.

    I understand that there are people that only want to fight other pirates, and that's fine. All I ask is that I'm allowed to play in a world where I'm not forced into doing it ALL THE TIME. Playing solo or duo is a massive disadvantage. When galleons can just wonder apon you and troll hard, it really ruins the fun factor of the game. Two times already I've come across a four person while playing solo or duo and have them steal all of our s**t (erasing ~1.5 hours of time), and then proceed to camp our boat killing us over and over until they get bored. It's the kind of thing that makes me never want to play this game again when it happens.

    The stealing the treasure part isn't the worst. It's that AND then proceeding to just troll us. When they finally sink our boat our new one spawns really close to them, so the entire experience is spent running away from a******s and not enjoying the game.

    I honestly think that if there was a world where you weren't allowed to hurt other people, or sink their boats, but were still allowed to steal their stuff, so sneakily doing it was required, that that would be a lot more fun that what is now.

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  • DansKing
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    @luke-pawlowski If there was an option to play PvE only, the game would be dead.
    The only people who enabled PvP would be the most bloodthristy of the bunch and PvP servers would be absolutely mad.

    I have played solo sloop and even i love playing on a PvP server, it would be pretty boring if i could play with no risks.

  • Gamcheongsaeg

    In all honesty PvP is easily avoidable if your vigilante and keep an eye out on the horizon they made the render distance quite high for a reason and if your a sloop going against the wind against a galleon they'll never catch up

  • XElitzxRunner2X

    @luke-pawlowski then don’t get close to other boats, you have to be aware of that. I understand it’s frustrating but a huge part of this game is that ur loot isn’t safe until it’s sold. They do that through krakens, storms, and pvp. Idk personally I feel like it would make it too easy as u can just not go into storms and krakens are pretty rare.

  • Luke Pawlowski
    Master
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    @dansking options are never bad. I've had multiple play sessions ruined by other people. I don't want to play the game anymore if this is how it's going to be. Other people just griefing other people and being trolls. I love doing the Voyages. It's stupid fun to do with my friends. I'm never going to be the kind of person that wants to attack other pirates. It's just not fun to me. So being forced into situations over and over where I have to do that makes the game not fun.

    I guess that means that the game's just not for me, and maybe it isn't, but I like a lot of what's going on. Operating a boat and fighting hoards of skeletons and finding buried treasure is all fun. Being trolled almost every time I get off is not.

  • Edward Doe
    Marauder

    @luke-pawlowski

    I'm totally with you, I wish they have you an option to opt out of it.

    PvP is not into fun but it makes a game that would have been a perfect relaxing timesink into something stressful and insufferable. I love the lore, the graphics, the mechanics, I find all the quest really fun and I want to be for this game for a long time, but the constant stress of loosing your time to other players really gets tiring, makes me not want to play at all.

    The main complain against it is that if there was a PvE server apart from the PvP, the PvP would just be people wanting to kill other people... Honestly, without the choice to opt out of PvP I doubt people that want to be friendly will stay in the game for a while, so same fate.

  • Trenix90
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    @luke-pawlowski said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

    @dansking options are never bad. I've had multiple play sessions ruined by other people. I don't want to play the game anymore if this is how it's going to be. Other people just griefing other people and being trolls. I love doing the Voyages. It's stupid fun to do with my friends. I'm never going to be the kind of person that wants to attack other pirates. It's just not fun to me. So being forced into situations over and over where I have to do that makes the game not fun.

    I guess that means that the game's just not for me, and maybe it isn't, but I like a lot of what's going on. Operating a boat and fighting hoards of skeletons and finding buried treasure is all fun. Being trolled almost every time I get off is not.

    This isn't adventure/sailing simulator. You bought a pirate game. PvP isn't trolling and griefing. You don't see us PvP players insulting you guys for simply doing PvE.

  • evaunitzero5

    Normally I would agree with options being a good thing, however in this game a pve only server would pretty much defeat the premise of the game.

  • Hobosloth28
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    it's already confirmed this won't happen so stop bringing it up please. think of a different issue to address

  • Luke Pawlowski
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    @trenix90 being spawn killed on a boat after all of my treasure is already stolen is trolling. Plain and simple. And I said there should be an option. PvP people can and should fight other PvP people is they want. And based on replies here there are a lot of people that want to play PvP. That's fine. I don't though, and will stop playing this game if it just turns into a trolling simulator.

  • Trenix90
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    @luke-pawlowski said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

    @trenix90 being spawn killed on a boat after all of my treasure is already stolen is trolling. Plain and simple.

    No that's actually a broken game mechanic that needs to be addressed and fixed. We need boarding axes so we can take your ship down to make you stop respawning. There are only two ways players can sink your ship, cannons or hijacking. That's a problem, don't you agree? During that time, you will be killed continuously if you respawn. We're not going to just leave you and your ship alone, because if we leave you alone, you can try to run to our ship and cause problems.

    @luke-pawlowski said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

    And I said there should be an option. PvP people can and should fight other PvP people is they want. And based on replies here there are a lot of people that want to play PvP. That's fine. I don't though, and will stop playing this game if it just turns into a trolling simulator.

    No, not part of the game. We're not separating players because they didn't know what game they purchased. You think you're going to go to a PvE server and become a pirate legend without risk? Definitely not. No one is trolling, we're playing the game as intended. You however, are not. You're asking to change our game and separate our playerbase which none of us agree with. It perplexes me how people thought this game was something it was not. Did you follow the hype or something? Good idea to figure out what you're buying.

  • Luke Pawlowski
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    @trenix90 flawed or not, the fact that you are supporting spawn killing the way that it's happening, not only to me, but to a lot of other people too, blows mind. I have no idea if you actually partake, but if you so you're going to be the reason people leave this game in droves. I know what I got into, I played in the insider tests, and was always worried that trolling would take over, but I thought it would be later, not 3 days into the games life.

  • evaunitzero5

    @luke-pawlowski
    It really sounds like you're playing the wrong game dude. Do you have any idea how dull this game would be if all you did was go to x island to grab y chest over and over. You're asking to turn sea of thieves into nautical elite dangerous.

  • SamoClarkey
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    PvP is the game. Should not of got a PVP Pirate game if not LOL

  • DahkohtLewin
    Marauder

    But PVP is fun for me.

    And the more people whine about being killed , the more fun it is.

    /raises wine glass

    Carry on.

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  • Goblobsters

    I like the pvp. Im sorry youngot spawn camped and i think that particular issue will be addressed, but pve server is a bad idea. Would rather see that money spent on new development.

  • Trenix90
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    @luke-pawlowski said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

    @trenix90 flawed or not, the fact that you are supporting spawn killing the way that it's happening, not only to me, but to a lot of other people too, blows mind. I have no idea if you actually partake, but if you so you're going to be the reason people leave this game in droves. I know what I got into, I played in the insider tests, and was always worried that trolling would take over, but I thought it would be later, not 3 days into the games life.

    Sorry, but what insiders, founders, or whatever have done for testing, is ridiculous. I'm not the problem, the game mechanics are. You guys didn't provide the right feedback to prevent this from happening, so truthfully you guys are also to blame. Yes I most definitely spawn kill on a boat, but not spawn kill a ship. I told you why, I don't want you to be a threat to me when near my ship. I leave players alone the moment their ship is sunk. It takes some time to do, as I just said because of the lack of content and features. Unfortunately, I will not risk it. I'm not going to trust the person I just stole from and killed, that they will just ignore me after walk away.

  • templar1980
    Marauder

    @luke-pawlowski
    The trolling is bad. I mainly PVE but it’s the constant threat of PVP that keeps the game interesting. When I do purposely engage in PVP I always try to sink/steal loot and move on. Part of the problem is if you have no loot onboard then there is no penalty to losing a PVP engagement the devs need to introduce some form of penalty for if you instigated PVP and loose.

  • JCxStarLord
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    While I don't agree with spawn killing making a PVE only world isn't the way to do it, it would just allow everyone to go into a PVE only world and reach pirate legend without having to worry about a thing beside the storm and the kraken.

    Altogether PVP is part of the game and you knew that going in so why you complain about it I have no idea but regardless im against them setting aside a PVE only aspect of the game so they will have to find out a way to fix this spawn killing problem but how they will do that im not 100% sure but im sure suggestions couldn't hurt?

    EDIT: One possible way to stop people from attacking you when your ship respawns near them is perhaps make the ship spawn MUCH further away from the location of which you sank though still not 100% on when you're ship hasn't sunk and you are spawn killed.

  • CheeseMogul7566
    Ship Mate

    If you want a game with no pvp, this isnt the game for you. Sorry.

  • Trenix90
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    @xjstarx00 said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

    While I don't agree with spawn killing making a PVE only world isn't the way to do it, it would just allow everyone to go into a PVE only world and reach pirate legend without having to worry about a thing beside the storm and the kraken.

    Altogether PVP is part of the game and you knew that going in so why you complain about it I have no idea but regardless im against them setting aside a PVE only aspect of the game so they will have to find out a way to fix this spawn killing problem but how they will do that im not 100% sure but im sure suggestions couldn't hurt?

    I've had plenty of loot once and the Kraken attacked me. I got so mad, clearly he's a troll, bully, and a griefer. I wish the developers do something about it. He also stopped my ship, like really? Leave me alone Kraken, I just want to sail and find loot! What's your problem!?

  • FamTrones
    Marauder

    The solution to this is so easy it is kind of weird they havent properly implemented it already.

    1. Option to block all chat text and voice permanently (seems to be an option but doesnt work very well)
    2. Respawn killed crews far away and also give them a longer time on the death ferry. :)

    If these things had been implemented properly then you would be killed and you would not be able to be abused in voice or chat. Also you would be getting a fresher start. A bad side of it is that you would not have the option to try and get the loot back any time soon. And I am guessing that is the reason for them putting spawnpoints this close in the first place.

    In a PvP game it is a must that you can block all communication. I come from Rainbow Six Siege and the first 6 months or so the chat was permanently turn on. It was not a pretty sight.

  • Argus Leadhead
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    There is a way to counter being spawn camped. Go into my crew in options. There's an option to scuttle your ship. If your treasure is already stolen and/or sold, you've got nothing to lose. Your ship will show up one or two islands away, giving you plenty of time to escape.

    If you've got a half-decent grasp of ship mechanics, any other ship won't be able to catch up. In a sloop being chased by a galleon, sail into the wind and tack left and right to catch what wind you can. The galleon will not be able to keep up. If your in a sloop v sloop chase, you may not be able to escape completely, but they won't be able to get closer.

    TL;DR
    There are options to stop spawn camping and 'griefing', they just take knowing the game mechanics a bit better.

  • FamTrones
    Marauder

    To counter spawn campers you could have the loot already on the outposts worthless to anyone but the orignal owners. Loot should be stolen on the sea. Afterall their own Pirate code says keep the fight at the sea.

  • Cliffyboy1962

    All the PvP lovers seem to have a real problem with the idea of a PvE only option. I think it's because they know that a lot of the players who are not as capable of defending themselves, would prefer it and then who would they be able to kill, or plunder loot from?

    Their game, full of easy pickings would turn into a much harder and lonelier affair.

    If I am wrong, and all the player base would prefer to stay in the PvP option, what are you guys so worried about?

  • OneEyedHeathen
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    @cliffyboy1962 said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

    All the PvP lovers seem to have a real problem with the idea of a PvE only option. I think it's because they know that a lot of the players who are not as capable of defending themselves, would prefer it and then who would they be able to kill, or plunder loot from?

    Their game, full of easy pickings would turn into a much harder and lonelier affair.

    If I am wrong, and all the player base would prefer to stay in the PvP option, what are you guys so worried about?

    In regards to not wanting PVE only servers, Its not about picking on the little guy, for me its about keeping player numbers high, and keeping intact the core vision of the game that I love so much.

    The game is built around a bunch of dynamic, emergent elements and different mechanics/systems coming together to create amazing layered stories and unique encounters. The PVE is intertwined with the PVP. It is why you turn in quests with physical items other crews can steal from you. To create that atmosphere of paranoia and fear of losing your loot before cashing it in. The PVE to feeds into the PVP and vice versa.

    If we segment the playerbase, then well have a distinctly different playing game in my opinion. Encounter become less dynamic, and they become predictable. Stories become less amazing or involved. We also then would have less players on our servers to enjoy the game with. This is not a PVP nor a PVE only game, and I do not think the majority of people want either of those things.

  • Aleidan
    Founder

    @cliffyboy1962 a dit dans PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please! :

    All the PvP lovers seem to have a real problem with the idea of a PvE only option. I think it's because they know that a lot of the players who are not as capable of defending themselves, would prefer it and then who would they be able to kill, or plunder loot from?

    Their game, full of easy pickings would turn into a much harder and lonelier affair.

    If I am wrong, and all the player base would prefer to stay in the PvP option, what are you guys so worried about?

    I like both aspects of the game, and IMO, the PVP can't live without the PVE and vice versa. What makes the nice sailing, the exploration and everything else worth it for me is that i never know when the tranquility of the game will be shaken by an incoming crew.

    I wouln't enjoy the "comfy" side of the game as much if there wasn't any "hostility" to make it shines.

    I think that everything would be boring real quick is the only threats in the world were easily killable skeletons. If you cut the PvE side the game would become boring. And the PvP server would be the worst thing around because everyone would be here just to kill on sight, probably not even a chance to talk at all because it would be implied that you're here to kill people.

    If you divide this game, it will just kill it.

  • SPR1NK
    Captain
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    @mrg0m3r you can just mute all enemy crews in the audio options

  • SPR1NK
    Captain
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    @mrg0m3r that seems oddly worded, but after reading various discussions about it, it seems the general concensus is that they meant to keep the fights in the game and off the forum, not keep them at sea and off islands, if the wanted to make safe zones (which they've already said they don't) they would've actually done it and not just tried to place an arbitrary rule on it the game that isn't enforced in any way

  • dcb 510

    @dansking npcs pirates!!!

  • CapN T Squirrel
    Master

    @dansking said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

    @luke-pawlowski If there was an option to play PvE only, the game would be dead.
    The only people who enabled PvP would be the most bloodthristy of the bunch and PvP servers would be absolutely mad.

    I have played solo sloop and even i love playing on a PvP server, it would be pretty boring if i could play with no risks.

    Actually, I disagree. I have a blast sailing around looking for loot! Actually I like the entire game Rare has created. What I dislike is the attitude of some of my fellow players. Actually, the ONLY negative experiences I have had in SoT is directly because of another player, and not the game.

    Not all players, mind you. Maybe about one quarter of them, but when it's bad... it's bad.

  • boaton

    @luke-pawlowski hire some developers and recreate the game, because the moment we go down your preferred route this game is finished..

  • Cliffyboy1962

    @oneeyedheathen said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

    @cliffyboy1962 said in PvP is not fun... Let me play in a world without it please!:

    All the PvP lovers seem to have a real problem with the idea of a PvE only option. I think it's because they know that a lot of the players who are not as capable of defending themselves, would prefer it and then who would they be able to kill, or plunder loot from?

    Their game, full of easy pickings would turn into a much harder and lonelier affair.

    If I am wrong, and all the player base would prefer to stay in the PvP option, what are you guys so worried about?

    In regards to not wanting PVE only servers, Its not about picking on the little guy, for me its about keeping player numbers high, and keeping intact the core vision of the game that I love so much.

    The game is built around a bunch of dynamic, emergent elements and different mechanics/systems coming together to create amazing layered stories and unique encounters. The PVE is intertwined with the PVP. It is why you turn in quests with physical items other crews can steal from you. To create that atmosphere of paranoia and fear of losing your loot before cashing it in. The PVE to feeds into the PVP and vice versa.

    If we segment the playerbase, then well have a distinctly different playing game in my opinion. Encounter become less dynamic, and they become predictable. Stories become less amazing or involved. We also then would have less players on our servers to enjoy the game with. This is not a PVP nor a PVE only game, and I do not think the majority of people want either of those things.

    Sounds like you just said "We won't have anyone to kill and plunder!" to me.

    But seriously I get what you are saying but I sense a split in the community. Some want what you describe and some want all aaspects of the game EXCEPT dying continuously at the hands of ruthless players that take all the pleasure out of it. Yes, I feel I am a weaker player than the rest of you but that shouldn't mean I have to suffer instead of enjoy the game.

  • wrestlezombie45
    Castaway

    we are pirates we plunder and steal whats the point with out the risk find other people to play with or get better I have vid proof of me sinking a galleon on solo slop its not hard tnt barrels are your best friend they just need to change spawns simple as that

  • OneEyedHeathen
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    @cliffyboy1962

    Honestly, I am not an aggressive player and I am more likely to befriend you then attack. I like the fact that I never truly know how an interaction or encounter will go, and the dynamics of the encounters is what I want to ensure stays. I want to run into people who trade chickens, sing shanties and also crews who want to battle it out on the seas.

    I get why someone might want to remove PVP completely, but to me it removes a lot of the magic from the game and its core game play. I understand your not wanting to be punished for not liking or being weak at the PVP, the opposite of that is punishing the people the game was designed for, which is PVPVE players.

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