The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60)

  • JamieThe1egend
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    I see many people still complaining about there not being enough content.

    Let me tell you reasons why patience and support of this game, will increase content and features you and others want in the game.

    • Sea Of Thieves is a game that will update consistently and constantly.
      You are complaining about features in the Beta Versions, let me tell you that Sea Of Thieves is a new game, it is going to start off a little bit choppy, that is unavoidable, there will be problems! It is an online game and most if not all online games have problems that are chopped away after release! All online games chop away, the first Sea Of Thieves experience will be us playing the 1st Version of the Full Game open to public.

    • Paying and Playing will develop this game into the one you enjoy.
      When the game is first released, EVERYONE will slowly and surely figure out what Sea Of Thieves is, this will be learned through players, the developers have an idea in their head but the game and community will mold and shape the game. I expect that when the game is released, there will be things that players and the developers dislike about the game that will be subject to change. Complaining without evidence, suggestion and fair response will make this harder for the developers.
      I could complain about features about almost any game and just say I don't like it, but why do I dislike it? What do you think it needs to make it better, share your opinion but remember that your opinion may not be the popular opinion.

    • Microtransactions and Purchases
      Microtransactions of Pets has been confirmed to be one of the first things coming to the first update. But why should I someone who paid £50 for this game pay for microtransactions, well to be very clear, you do not. You don't have to pay for any microtransactions as the Game will only be adding cosmetic microtransactions and there will be no buffs, advantages or anything to gain from microtransactions.

    Buying the Game and MT will help the game update more frequently and increase the quality and size of the updates. MT will pay salaries of workers who work on the game and increasing the number of workers who work on the game. It will also make the game better and more popular which leads to more advertisement and sales which will also mean more money and workers which means bigger and better updates.

    It will also help the Servers be paid for, as with many online games, servers are not cheap. And MT are necessary for the developers to run good quality services such as servers.

    • Why rewarding rare with purchases and popularity is a big step for all future game companies.
      Rare have been very very fair and active in forums, and to the community, they are constantly talking to us about issues, future ideas and the community itself to us. By this game getting purchases and popularity, we send a message to other developers that listening to a player base is the future of gaming and lead to better games.
      I have seen many ridiculous and uneducated opinions about why this game is not worth £50 and many of those players will have COD Avatars and have games such as COD or Battlefield in their Achievements. How can you justify buying a game such as COD or Battlefield which will have a brand new game for $60 in under a year with the same mechanics as the previous game. And blast all over SOT because the Developers haven't shown every mechanic.
      IF I WERE ALLOWED I would tag a bunch of you guys who have made posts stating this who own these games and make this question personally out towards you. But you will buy games that have buyable dlc, come out every year with small changes and complain that SOT is not worth the money.

    I would like to thank the Developers for working on a great game, that will continue being great and updating in the future. -Don't be dumb, this game is good and will continue to update. Buy the game if you like the mechanics and be frequent on the forums with constructive feedback.

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  • RayFromJersey
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    You must not have been there for the No Man's Sky release.

  • TedimShy
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    @jamiethe1egend GREAT, finally someone!
    I just love how the developers are listening to the comunity. Its Rare (pun intended) to see this type of comunication between developers and players, and that's only gonna make the game greater to all of us.
    The game is not out yet, we haven't seen half of it, and still worth the investement.
    Not everyone will like the game, just like we don't like a lot of other games. But if you we do like, we should support it.

  • Frostycrypton
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    To support your post, the build number for the final beta was 0.5.0. Assumedly, the game will release at 1.0.0, so we’re (probably) seeing half of the launch content.

  • Ironuzuka
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    @jamiethe1egend AHOY!
    Great lines, although I think the debate is not much about it being worth 60$, I think the disparities in terms of pricing depending on region is a more legit issue, arguably...

    @ironuzuka said in The price of the game is ridiculous in Russia:

    LoL:

    Prices on the MStores!

    $59.99 USA

    69,99 € TVA incluse EUROZONE  86$

    70.00 CHF TVA incluse Switzerland  73,6 $

    £49.99 incl. VAT UK well not so united, so GB  69,25 $

    3 999,00 ₽ Russia  70,6 $

    249,99 zł zaw. VAT Poland 73,35 $

    R$ 199,95 Brazil  61,40 $

    ₹ 3,999.00 India  61,55 $

    79,99 $ CAD Canada  62,45 $

    ¥7,450 (税込) Japan  69,75 $

    MXN$1,299.00 Mexico  69,80 $

    AU$99.95 incl. GST Australia  78,50 $

    kr. 549,00 inkl. moms Denmark  90,70 $

    Converted with XE exchange same date and hours as message

    Let hope this will steer away some of yer anger me lad, for AYE hear ye! But I try channeling me dark feelings toward leveling up the conversation, or completely destroy it by merely being misunderstood YOHOHOHOHO

    Once again me lad, I fully agree and respectfully voice out me take on what I believe to be the real issue. It might be fulling part of the "overpriced" argument.

  • RAYNBR0
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    Preach OP!

  • JamieThe1egend
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    @rayfromjersey
    Hi Ray, thank you for your impressive comparison to No Man's Sky.
    Unoriginal but to be expected. Yes I was and I was one of the players who didn't buy the game.
    No Man's Sky lied about their features.
    No Man's Sky was a Indie Developer
    No Man's Sky didn't have other titles backing it from the years that have changed game genres such as Golden Eye for FPS or Banjo and Kazooie for Platformers.
    No Man's Sky didn't show any features, they only talked about features, we have seen features.
    No Man's Sky didn't listen to their player base. Rare does.

    Thank you for your comment but do your research.

  • JamieThe1egend
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    @ironuzuka
    Hi there, yes if you work out the currency they work out to be the same.
    You also have to think about how much money a country earns from normal jobs and have to spend out.

    Let me explain it a little more easier; I am from the UK and earn 20k a year but have to spend £60 on shopping.

    Someone from Norway will earn 265,601.00 Norwegian Kroner in a year but will have to spend 862.56, its relative to income and what is the normal pricing for that country.

    Edit: They rough out as the same in each country, even though there may be a little bit of a difference, they are worth the same price. So you aren't being cheated out of any money my friend!

  • ZetsubouKibo
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    Oh, And I would also note that the pets you get with in-game currency (Not gold) You can get by playing the game so you can buy those pets that require the in-game currency, You don't need to buy in-game currency to get those pets.
    I'm not 100% sure and I could be wrong.
    (I lost the link on where i got this info from)

  • RayFromJersey
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    @jamiethe1egend said in The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    @rayfromjersey
    Hi Ray, thank you for your impressive comparison to No Man's Sky.
    Unoriginal but to be expected. Yes I was and I was one of the players who didn't buy the game.
    No Man's Sky lied about their features.
    No Man's Sky was a Indie Developer
    No Man's Sky didn't have other titles backing it from the years that have changed game genres such as Golden Eye for FPS or Banjo and Kazooie for Platformers.
    No Man's Sky didn't show any features, they only talked about features, we have seen features.
    No Man's Sky didn't listen to their player base. Rare does.

    Thank you for your comment but do your research.

    Nice try at being snarky, but you left the most important part out: the company went completely dark/quiet a day after release. Can you guarantee that Rare is not going to do the same? Can you guarantee that there's a lot more to be in the full release than what's been shown in the beta? Can you guarantee that a game is going to be worth its cost when it isn't even released yet?

    No, you can't. Stop trying to sell the unknown, because you're bad at it.

  • Avirex Idyll
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    @jamiethe1egend Good write up.

    This is why Breath of the Wild is successful. That game, and hopefully SoT, provides players with everything they need to succeeded from the very start. It allows players the true freedom to explore and much, or as little as they want. This is what it means to be an open world. Players are given tools, nothing more, nothing less. The only true progression is skill. If Rare keeps true to their word then SoT will easily be worth the price tag.

    Again, nice OP.

  • JamieThe1egend
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    @rayfromjersey
    Hi again and yes you are correct I can't just say they won't go dark but again I can give reasons why this is argument is dumb.

    #1 Rare is making a game that is sponsored by Microsoft
    #2 Rare has made many other games and many of the people who work on the previous games work on SOT. If they went dark, they would damage their reputation and put themselves out of Jobs.
    #3 Leaks have shown features that I will not spoil.
    #4 They have stated they are already working on some future features.
    #5 Many of their players will be part of a Subscription Service known as Xbox Gamepass. If players buy that to play this game and are unsatisfied they will cancel their Netflix like service. So they depend on updating the game and working on the game.

    So again your argument is silly.

  • Deadlock Ganj

    At the end of the day the game is "Sail here, Sail there, Find this, Try not to die." -no matter how much more they add, thats going to be the game. if you didnt like the beta, not much is going to change going forward. those are the mechanics of the game.

  • TedimShy
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    @theunknownd Yeah, pets can be bought by microtransations or in game currency.
    But even if you can have them with in game currency there will always be people who will spend real money on it, to have it faster (dont have to grind on in game currency) or just to support the game.

  • ZetsubouKibo
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    @tedimshy said in The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    @theunknownd Yeah, pets can be bought by microtransations or in game currency.
    But even if you can have them with in game currency there will always be people who will spend real money on it, to have it faster (dont have to grind on in game currency) or just to support the game.

    Yep! Exactly! People will support this wonderful game so they can make bigger and better updates. :)

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    @rayfromjersey said in The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    You must not have been there for the No Man's Sky release.

    that's was something completely different ... jeez

    if you don't like the game and believe it will fail, what are still you doing here ?

  • Ironuzuka
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    @jamiethe1egend The seas be open, I'll go to the port that sells for less. I be a great fan too but me pockets be dry.
    Furthermore it opens up a sub market of third parties reselling the keys. This is arguably a good or a bad thing. On the plus side me lad, it allows third parties to get in on the money, so it's like sharing treasure AYE!

    It is well complicated as to why the prices be different. It be a more profound and detailed explanation I be sure!
    In the eurozone, 70€ in Germany does not buy you the same things that it buys Spain. The disparities are great, and the parameters complex. We would need an economist to explain te us mere pirates why this might appear wrong to some of us. And what it opens the gates to. But yeh ... In the end I do agree that we haven't experienced the full content yet and therefore cannot judge whether they are underselling (for some) or overpricing (for others) or simply the right price for the right game and service!

  • Saltyzar

    @rayfromjersey that's was more a case of 1 man unexperienced indie game developer being pushed into aaa title category by big company. Not sure how that applies to rare.

  • Capt Baguette

    @deadlock-ganj a dit dans The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60) :

    At the end of the day the game is "Sail here, Sail there, Find this, Try not to die." -no matter how much more they add, thats going to be the game. if you didnt like the beta, not much is going to change going forward. those are the mechanics of the game.

    Yes it can be that, it can also often be a random chain of events that make you do all sorts of things, usually a lot of fighting, and in many people's cases, a lot of laughing as well!

    Most people who complain about content haven't played this game with good friends and/or fun people I suppose.

  • D3ADST1CK
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    @frostycrypton said in The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    To support your post, the build number for the final beta was 0.5.0. Assumedly, the game will release at 1.0.0, so we’re (probably) seeing half of the launch content.

    That's not how build numbers work.

  • Ironuzuka
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    @d3adst1ck said in The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    @frostycrypton said in The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    To support your post, the build number for the final beta was 0.5.0. Assumedly, the game will release at 1.0.0, so we’re (probably) seeing half of the launch content.

    That's not how build numbers work.

    How do they work ?

  • JamieThe1egend
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    @ironuzuka For each update they make, they add a new version. So for example;

    They might have a build that is 1.0.0 when it releases or whatever and then add a update called the Microtransaction Update or which would make the version 1.1.0
    but each step in that update will add up to the build so lets say they add
    pig pets which would be 1.0.1
    dog pets which would be 1.0.2
    parrots = 1.0.3 etc

  • Ironuzuka
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    @jamiethe1egend said in The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    @ironuzuka For each update they make, they add a new version. So for example;

    They might have a build that is 1.0.0 when it releases or whatever and then add a update called the Microtransaction Update or which would make the version 1.1.0
    but each step in that update will add up to the build so lets say they add
    pig pets which would be 1.0.1
    dog pets which would be 1.0.2
    parrots = 1.0.3 etc

    So once again we'd need a closer informant or me ol' crystal ball to know for sure! Settled it is for me! Thank ye!

  • JamieThe1egend
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    @ironuzuka
    Yeah because depending on what or who they might add the whole lot at once as one update or each individually its hard to tell what the version is unless you have the update notes.

  • Arch Fable

    My opinion is that I will buy the game when it is actually finished the way I form in my mind what a finished game should be like; simple criteria. No company to my knowledge has ever succeeded selling a game in the Game-As-Service format, ever. It's a nice idea from a developer and an honourable act to further support their games, but this opens up a debate about their content and how much of it actually is divided into these so called "expansion extractions" we would later get instead. The thing comes into this little, but important idea:

    How do the devs imagine to prove us that their game is actually extended and not stretched.

    I will buy this game eventually, but the question above has to be answered first in case they want me to pay anywhere near the 70 euros they ask from me.

  • JamieThe1egend
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    @mythicalfable
    Hello there! Yes I can see that you would rather everything at once like the most of us.
    The truth is, we do not know everything that is in the game. We do know that you may miss events that they release if you buy the game eventually later, lets say they have a limited event for the release date, you may miss an item or voyage that could give you a special item. The game also comes with pre-order items that you will miss. The truth is, we are gambling with this game, and the game will really only shape and show what it is a few months after launch! The game will be subject to change and updates throughout the development like games such as Overwatch or Minecraft.

  • Arch Fable

    @jamiethe1egend said in The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    @mythicalfable
    Hello there! Yes I can see that you would rather everything at once like the most of us.

    Not everything. Only the polished game to begin with. From there the devs could develop it more.

    The truth is, we do not know everything that is in the game.

    This the reason why I don't pay until I know what exactly I am going to purchase.

    We do know that you may miss events that they release if you buy the game eventually later, lets say they have a limited event for the release date, you may miss an item or voyage that could give you a special item.

    Some devs already do this and for no avail. Any limited time events are not part of the polished game. This is one of my criterions. What I buy is what I receive and I don't buy any limited time events or one-time tickets to one-time circuses. A limited time event is part of the service, not the polished game and therefore unnecessary. A game is about an experience portrayed thorough an illusion. If that experience is fleeting enough, the whole point of the game vanishes. If it is anything similar to Dawning or Crimson Days in Destiny 2, devs are wasting their time.

    The game also comes with pre-order items that you will miss.

    Not part of the polished game, but the service behind it. Am I annoyed that they do this type of shady psychological practise? Yes. I am actually very annoyed because this game is about cosmetics and giving a cosmetic set with a pre-order is like forgeting what your game is all about. It's essentially like giving a great weapon for some individuals to start the game with. It's not pay-to-win because there's no number game involved, but this makes it a pay-to-awe item instead similar to what EA tried to do with Star Wars Battlefront II characters. Am I annoyed about the actual items? Gratefully no. Not my taste to drool at, but some do.

    The truth is, we are gambling with this game, and the game will really only shape and show what it is a few months after launch!

    We always do. Gambling is a core variable in life and all existence. What I ask is simply to prove they won't cheat customers. Showing that they won't stretch the game would be a good move to make.

    The game will be subject to change and updates throughout the development like games such as Overwatch or Minecraft.

    Except Mojang and Notch did things differently. Microsoft should know this well. Overwatch is an online beat 'em up game similar to Street Fighters and Tekken series, but with multiple contestants in each map. Introducing new characters is literally the lifeline of the whole franchise. They have to expand the game even though they might have stretched it first. Mojang and Notch made their game in a way that proved their dedication to the game. They let the community step in and design the game with them. The sooner you bought the game, the less you paid. They even streamed their development in real-time and took feedback at the same time. There's a reason why Notch is a millionaire today and bloating his game wasn't one of them.

    When the time comes, I will buy the game. The polished one. In case the devs really need their coffee funds for 10 years into the future, yeah I may help them with that. However, I am not convinced that the money would go exactly to that purpose. Same issue with the product itself. I need evidence before I invest.

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    @jamiethe1egend dijo en The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    @rayfromjersey
    Hi Ray, thank you for your impressive comparison to No Man's Sky.
    Unoriginal but to be expected. Yes I was and I was one of the players who didn't buy the game.
    No Man's Sky lied about their features.
    No Man's Sky was a Indie Developer
    No Man's Sky didn't have other titles backing it from the years that have changed game genres such as Golden Eye for FPS or Banjo and Kazooie for Platformers.
    No Man's Sky didn't show any features, they only talked about features, we have seen features.
    No Man's Sky didn't listen to their player base. Rare does.

    Thank you for your comment but do your research.

    You obviously have not clue about No Man's Sky.

    I have enjoyed No Man's Sky since Day One, but now the game should be good even for the herd of the hate bandwagon, as they added a crapload of features and improved the game in every aspect.

    You justify a 70 euros game on PC + microtransactions, no, sorry, thisd is not the way. I wonder why the community whines against loot boxes but it's ok with this.

  • JamieThe1egend
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    @lobofh They promised multiplayer. Do you have it yet?

  • LoboFH
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    @jamiethe1egend dijo en The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    @lobofh They promised multiplayer. Do you have it yet?

    I didn't want multiplayer in No Man's SKy, never undestood why folks demanded it, the game's goal was a totally different one, if you want good space multiplayer play Elite Dangerous, NMS was about exploration, surprises and discovery.

    If we make a list of promised features that are ditched during development of videogames...including SoT...we stay up all night. It's the reality of development, a promised feature is not a sealed deal, features change, features don't work, features go over the budget, etc, etc, etc. NMS removed the multiplayer tag on Steam store months before the release, fact.

  • JamieThe1egend
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    @lobofh said in The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    @jamiethe1egend dijo en The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    @lobofh They promised multiplayer. Do you have it yet?

    I didn't want multiplayer in No Man's SKy, never undestood why folks demanded it, the game's goal was a totally different one, if you want good space multiplayer play Elite Dangerous, NMS was about exploration, surprises and discovery.

    If we make a list of promised features that are ditched during development of videogames...including SoT...we stay up all night. It's the reality of development, a promised feature is not a sealed deal, features change, features don't work, features go over the budget, etc, etc, etc. NMS removed the multiplayer tag on Steam store months before the release, fact.

    Doesn't change the fact that some players did and they promised it.

  • RoughLeech03117
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    @jamiethe1egend I completely agree with all what you said and people should read this cause people say its not gonna be fun cause of microtransactions i disagree

  • JamieThe1egend
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    @roughleech03117 Microtransactions are such a tricky topic. But for online multiplayer, server based games, they are needed really. Rare will and probably have earned a lot of money from this game, but then you realise they need to pay workers wages, pay licensing companies, Microsoft gets a cut for sponsoring them, pay servers to be run. They pay out a lot too, so MT will be there to help the game continue development.

  • Arch Fable

    @roughleech03117 said in The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    @jamiethe1egend I completely agree with all what you said and people should read this cause people say its not gonna be fun cause of microtransactions i disagree

    It all comes to how they design their shop. Currently it is dubious at best. Presence of a microtransaction model might not be reasonable to warrant the scepticism, but the way each game that have tried them and failed tells a very worrying side of things.

    I am not keeping my hopes up when it comes to microtransactions, but I am not those who sit idly by either. I actually gave some important tips how to make an actually working premium shop. Hopefully the team catches it fast.

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    @jamiethe1egend said in The Golden Age of Sea Of Thieves is yet to come! (Why SOT is worth £50/$60):

    • Sea Of Thieves is a game that will update consistently and constantly.
      You are complaining about features in the Beta Versions, let me tell you that Sea Of Thieves is a new game, it is going to start off a little bit choppy, that is unavoidable, there will be problems! It is an online game and most if not all online games have problems that are chopped away after release! All online games chop away, the first Sea Of Thieves experience will be us playing the 1st Version of the Full Game open to public.

    • Paying and Playing will develop this game into the one you enjoy.
      When the game is first released, EVERYONE will slowly and surely figure out what Sea Of Thieves is, this will be learned through players, the developers have an idea in their head but the game and community will mold and shape the game. I expect that when the game is released, there will be things that players and the developers dislike about the game that will be subject to change. Complaining without evidence, suggestion and fair response will make this harder for the developers.

    • Microtransactions and Purchases
      Microtransactions of Pets has been confirmed to be one of the first things coming to the first update. But why should I someone who paid £50 for this game pay for microtransactions, well to be very clear, you do not. You don't have to pay for any microtransactions as the Game will only be adding cosmetic microtransactions and there will be no buffs, advantages or anything to gain from microtransactions.

    Glad you posted something like this to inform nay-sayers about price justification. I'd just like to add an extra, and very important point.
    According to Dev's, there will be no DLC released that will require a purchase. All updates will be free. They are doing this to avoid splitting the player base, and I love it. So, as you said, please support dev's that do this. It's nice to know that I won't have to buy any other content to continue playing the game.

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