3 man boat

The galleon is a 3-4 man boat. You can queue with 2 others, and the last spot won't be open.

@atreusvans ahh i see, although he Galleon, is a hard one to do effectively in gun ship battles with 3 players. As you need two players to adjust the sales if you want to catch anyone, that is.

@the-r***y-duck

The problem isn't so much the lack of a three man boat (which would be nice anyway), but the way you're locked to a group size and can't have friends leave/join during the game with a dynamic group size to match.

If you have 5-6 people wanting to play together, you can't all sail on the one ship, you have to split. I presume that fleets will be a thing that will be introduced in the future, but at the moment, the grouping system is one of the few negatives in the game.

Of course I speak from PC gaming perspective where the XBOX app (or whatever it's called) is an extra layer of pointlessness and limitation compared to what we are used to. I'm sure it works great for XBOX players, but it seems like a really labyrinthine system of getting to join your friends online.

Whilst a three man boat would be great, I'd rather be able to have a flexible group size and then choose a vessel to sail whenever a ship spawns.

Agree...3 or 4 players need the option to take a sloop.

I dont like the galleon compared to the sloop...yes it has advantages...but the handling is work, not fun when compared to the sloop imho.

being forced to chose the galleon with 3 isnt good, since we do not want a 4th random player in our group. No, not because we dont want to meet people, simply because we talk in german and at least one of us doenst speak a single word of english (yes, that still exists). Further, each time a 4th random player joins, our experience is less fun since that player can really mess up everything...specially if he doesnt understand you.

Driving a galleon with 3 people isnt fun...and telling a third player, "sorry, if you join us we will have to take the galleon, so lets make a group of two and you...you have to play solo, sorry friend".

Thats not allright...

@liebeerdbeer I've done it with my third cooking chicken wings whilst dancing afk on the mast

I wouldn't want to see 3 people on a sloop. I think that would be overpowered AF!

But I would like to see another ship between the sloop and galleon too. Not because I think a 3 man galleon is too hard, I just don't like the gameplay. An interim ship would also give a duo crew an option to sail a little bit bigger of a ship without being at too much of a disadvantage. A duo on a sloop is good, but it's ALMOST too overpowered in my opinion. Good duo's are some of the scariest things to come across in SoT imo.

@liebeerdbeer I'm not saying you can’t do it, of cause you can. But a good 4 man crew will have a big, advantage over the 3 man crew in the galleon.

A 3 man crew in a sloop, would be really good. Although I could see it being over powered.

@k7-issues I do see your point, as generally in the two man sloop with my crew, we have no issues sinking galleons.

If they are good, however they can make it impossibility for you to catch them, as they are much faster if the wind is on their side, and they know how to adjust the sales quickly. Most don’t.

Maybe a third ship is the way to go.

@k7-issues Agreed, I've only played on a galleon for two sessions (maybe 5 hours total) and 10/10 prefer duoing with my buddy on a sloop. Perhaps I'm biased on that as I started on a sloop with the same friend and we've spent a good 100 hours or so ruling the seas! Compared the galleon feels slow and clunky and the only reason I play on one is when another friend wants to join us.

A nice mid point would be a cool addition but I'm not going to be upset if that never happens.

@k7-issues said in 3 man boat:

I wouldn't want to see 3 people on a sloop. I think that would be overpowered AF!

Why that?

All I see is a relaxed, fun gameplay...you still have 1 canon and cant do anything against a good galleon crew...exept maybe run for your life, and that not better or faster then a 2 man crew.

I dont see why a 3 man sloop would be overpowered but I'm willing to change my mind if you have good arguments.

@kustho said in 3 man boat:

@k7-issues said in 3 man boat:

I wouldn't want to see 3 people on a sloop. I think that would be overpowered AF!

Why that?

All I see is a relaxed, fun gameplay...you still have 1 canon and cant do anything against a good galleon crew...exept maybe run for your life, and that not better or faster then a 2 man crew.

I dont see why a 3 man sloop would be overpowered but I'm willing to change my mind if you have good arguments.

I agree with seeing some relaxed and fun game-play, but for people focused on ship to ship fights, here's why a 3 man sloop would be insane. This comes from mainly playing solo and duo by the way, I don't much play on the Galleons because I'm not a fan of the clumsiness of them.

You've got 2 cannons on the sloop. First of all, with a duo team, normally you're going to have one person steering the ship and another person firing both cannons, while you both repair the ship. If both people are experienced and work well together, like I said, this can be a terrifying enemy to face.

With 3 people, you could do a number of different strategies that put you at a HUGE advantage. First one that comes to mind is almost exactly the same as a duo strat, except you have your 3rd person focus ONLY on repairs. With a full hull of supplies, cannonballs, wood, and nanners... You'd be neigh unsinkable... Because of the sloops maneuverability, you'd be able to avoid most cannon shots, and even a lot of the pot shots that snipers are going to take at you. Avoiding snipers is another subject entirely, but like I said, I'm talking about experienced players.

The second strategy would involve 2 players on cannons and the pilot. While you'd need to be more cohesive in your teamwork, the firepower to maneuver output would be absolutely ridiculous.

I.E. when I'm playing solo, a strat that works well for me is to sail in a circle angled away from the enemy and switch back and forth between the cannons while firing. By myself I can unload 30+ cannonballs in no time. But this is limited when solo because to focus on the cannons like that, you're sacrificing 90% of the sloops maneuvering capabilities. With duo, you can equal things out and be a total monster to anyone you come across.

Now take those situations and add another person. 100% maneuverability and 90-100% destructive output. Then take into account the fact that all of you or even just two of you can focus on repairs. The stationary pilot of a sloop, who doesn't have to leave the wheel at all during a fight is a total game changer for ship to ship combat.

Having said all that, I do understand if people just want to hang out and have fun with 3 people on a sloop. I get it, but it would be much better, in my opinion, to just have a 3 person ship instead... Because even if the players want to just relax and have fun, they have the capabilities to annihilate anyone they come across, if they so choose.

Now this is all just what I glean from my experiences so far in the game, which compared to MANY others, is pretty limited. I have tons of hours in-game, mostly solo, but there's people around who know better than I. Just saying.

@k7-issues

thanks for the long reply mate!

I see the points you make, but that really doesnt mirror my game experience. But I am not "the" guy that plays for PvP...live and let live is my way to experience games overall.

I dont want to play solo...I do sometimes when friends are busy, but not when I can avoid it. Yet I dont like the galleon and see it more as a punishment compared to the sloop.

Right now we play on a sloop pretty regulary with 3 people...or even more. Cause we meet them ingame and decide they are nice poeple to hang out with. Its really only on the payout side (when handing in chests) that you cant share the gold with the ones that are not in our group...but even for that we have a solution = you take one, I take one...that halves the payout...but payout is a mean to an end and nothing more.

So...it is doable right now. People do it, we did it and there are vids on youtube with way bigger crews then 2 on a sloop or 4 on a galleon.

Every advantage (if it is one) is dependent on the person holding it. Abusing it or not is a simple question of a given players character. Imho...

I mean...right now (and its only Beta) when I ask my buddys over teamspeak "how about a round of Sea'o'thieves? I get the question "are you alone or are you two or three"? If I'm alone, everyone says "yay...hold on, I log in". If we are two allready the answer is "nah, not the galleon...sorry, I stay in PUBG (or insert any other game).

@kustho I agree with the live and let live philosophy when it comes to this game, 100%

The only reason I gained the knowledge about this PvP stuff was because I was forced into it lol. That was partially my own doing because I play solo so often, but I don't know anyone else that plays the game, except now for a few new people I've connected with on here, but have yet to play with.

I also completely agree with

@kustho said in 3 man boat:

Every advantage (if it is one) is dependent on the person holding it. Abusing it or not is a simple question of a given players character. Imho...

However, we can't tell how it would play out. Especially after people learn what they're doing, and what's possible. This game constantly keeps me learning things about the mechanics and strategies, even in the limited versions of the Scale Tests. Time will tell all.

I just think it'd be neat to have a middle ship for 3 or 2 people. Give us something new to learn and have fun with lol

@dreadpirate9200 I think we could do a 1-2 person sloop, a 2-3 person ship, a 3-4 person ship. And the game allowed you to have your friends come and go and when you docked at an outpost you could talk to the shipwright to be able to get a bigger or smaller ship depending on if you wanted to have friends join you without having to leave the game then come back in.

I also prefer to play on the sloop as 1-2 player. If I play a 2 player sloop we do about 50/50 (treasure Hunter/PvP). IMO I think the sloop is more capable against a 3-4 person ship. In fact I prefer to go against them than another 1-2 person sloop. We have sent the bigger ships running scared, or to the bottom of the Sea.

@dreadpirate9200 said in 3 man boat:

@sapperbob97 exactly what I was thinking lad.
Just put more eloquently.
Arr, it be a fine thought indeed. 🐙

Thank you. If any of y'all see me in game say hi and please don't be offended if we attack.

@sapperbob97 said in 3 man boat:

@dreadpirate9200 I think we could do a 1-2 person sloop, a 2-3 person ship, a 3-4 person ship. And the game allowed you to have your friends come and go and when you docked at an outpost you could talk to the shipwright to be able to get a bigger or smaller ship depending on if you wanted to have friends join you without having to leave the game then come back in.

I also prefer to play on the sloop as 1-2 player. If I play a 2 player sloop we do about 50/50 (treasure Hunter/PvP). IMO I think the sloop is more capable against a 3-4 person ship. In fact I prefer to go against them than another 1-2 person sloop. We have sent the bigger ships running scared, or to the bottom of the Sea.

I thought there was a 2-3 ship in beta a few months back. I've seen proposals of 6 ship types, but RARE is keeping the info so tight we can only speculate what will be released!

RARE has hinted at being positive to adjustments and add-on to the released version, which means, good idea but not yet if not ever.

Players will work around the limitations of crew size. You'll see fleets, you'll see OP size crews, despite ships being available. It doesn't look like they are planning to go larger than 4 man crews, but they plan on events where they hope players will work all together, although if you've played games where the opportunity exist where players can double cross the group then you know it is going to happen more often. And I believe it's to be expected.

So you can't ask if you can trust another crew, you ask how long before they turn on you and when do you turn on them.

It's a pirate game, and treaties are expected to only last so long befor their broken.

@slystylzbox I think that it is wonderful that they are still taking suggestions. I'm hoping that if this is not already planned that they will include it.

I was thinking that the 2-3 man ship could be a 2 mast/sail ship. That way it makes it a little more challenging than the one mast but not as challenging as a 3 mast for a 3 man crew.

@liebeerdbeer

@liebeerdbeer said in 3 man boat:

@aenima123 said in 3 man boat:

wut ? got 100+ hr of game, never saw any Galleon shoot with 4 cannons, there always 3 on cannons and 1 to commands (before repair needs) ^^

We capsized a crew in less than 2 minutes using 4 canons

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