Forced PVP = losing customers

Hah I'm far from being a fan boy, I have doubts about the longevity of this title with the lack of vertical progression, but its fairly obvious Rare designed the game around PvPvE and I can see already without the PvP interactions the game will flop hard theres no real long term progression outside of cosmetics and "Legendary" Pirate status the Skeletons and bounty hunting is already far too easy or maybe the PvE is aimed more at casual carebears than legitimate gamers either way without the risk of hostile player interaction this game would get more boring alot faster than it already is.

Yet the amount of crying threads about the pvp interactons is rediculous considering its so easy to avoid other ships.

@ii-jumper-i
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I've loved RARE since Banjo Kazooie. Their Mods seem extremely well chosen and this game has so many amazing things I've wanted from a treasure hunting/sailing/relaxing point of view. I think it's worth trying to give this sort of feedback so that they know we exist, and if the snarky dismissive crowd wants to scream that I'm enjoying the wrong parts of this game until this thread has 150 replies and over 1000 views that just sort of helps our visibility.

@sneakler

A) Fortnite is free. There's a big 'correlation implies causation' assumption with what you're saying in terms of the large playerbase and why that is.

B) Type top-selling video games into google and come tell me what you got. Because here's what I got

Destiny 2^
Madden NFL 18.
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
Grand Theft Auto V.
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands.
Star Wars: Battlefront II 2017^
Super Mario Odyssey
Mario Kart 8

If the list is zoomed down to December, PUBG is in there, but in position 7 behind some PvE (or, you-can-PvE-if-you-want-or-PvP-if-you-want) games.

If you find something more concrete than the "market trends" you have a vague feeling about based on a need to back your argument up, please. Give me a link. Till then please stop debunking my (yes, thin) 'look at the forums' evidence with these wide unverifiable feelings you have.

Another thing that may help alleviate some of the contention towards the PvP, is if the voyages themselves had some kind of rewards built in.

Based on what we've seen from the gold hoarders, the only way to earn gold/ faction is to turn in the items you were sent on the voyage to find (chests, animals, skulls, etc). But if you get killed before making it back, you get absolutely nothing.

That's a bitter pill for many people to swallow.

But if you got a small portion of gold/ faction immediately after the voyage completes (or maybe next time you spoke with the faction vendor), you would at least get something for your time spent. And people won't be as upset about getting killed/ robbed.

Sure, it's a band-aid on a much larger issue. But it's a start.

@knuxor said in Forced PVP = losing customers:

It's just a fact.

Soft-target lovers can croon 'git gud' all they like, but enough people have raised similar concerns for it to be obvious. Here's my experience;

Three of my friends and I were having an absolute BLAST playing this game, enjoying the instruments and the sailing mechanics, marvelling over the water and trying to get our sailing chops. We found a few chests and turned them in, then on our second voyage, our stationary ship was fired on while we were on an island. It didn't take any serious damage, so we decided to head for a port. We were being chased. We got around some rocks, outmanoeuvred them with the wind, and made it back around to a dock. We drop anchor, walk our chests in, and out from the bushes springs a member of the ship, (which, still chasing us was busy sinking our docked, crewless ship) who'd been fired by cannon to camp the turn-in as we arrived. Thanks to some god-awful lag we disposed of him with no incident and turned our chests in.

Then we stopped.

We all decided that if our whole-hearted enjoyment of the game was going to be turned into an ordeal by harassing players, we didn't want to play any more.

We went from a definite day-1 purchase to a "maybe if they give us PVE servers" in 30 minutes.

Thank you for the beta, we saved ~$400 AUD

While I sympathize and can understand your decision, PvP is NOT forced. Players seem to CHOOSE to attack other players, based on how they see the game as being "correctly played" I suppose. Though in my eyes, there's no PROPER way to play a game like Sea of Thieves, but harassing other players, attacking them without warning and ignoring them when they tell you they aren't looking for a fight, and camping outposts specifically to steal chests, is just downright toxic. That sort of behavior might convince RARE to implement some sort of server system to pander to both types, if we're lucky. If not...Your best option would probably be to just do what you think is right.

@kermar-tutu said in Forced PVP = losing customers:

@knuxor SoT it been introduce as a pvp game!!! you asking the same as if i ask to turn zelda in a pvp game!!!
The way of asking a pve server by blackmail rare saying you cancel preorder. Its not nice...!! that kind a pvp attitude you got there!!! ;D
force pvp = losing custumer... if this isn't intented to provoc a war. for a pve payer, it's kind twisted attitude for a request!!!! don't you think so?

To be fair, They didn't INTRODUCE the game strictly as PvP. They said PvP was a part of the game if you wished to indulge, and people latched onto that because all they hear is "PvP" and assume they have to fight for everything. Technically, the reasoning behind that type of gameplay is your shallow understanding of what can be done.

@kermar-tutu Clearly, you didn't understand or didn't CARE to understand what they were introducing. And if you think you can goad me into a cheap discussion about how pirate games are ONLY about killing other players, then you've been playing too much Black Flag. So i'm going to put it this way, and I want you to REALLY think about this.

There's more than one way to play a game like Sea of Thieves. There's the way that you clearly enjoy, which is hunting other players and forcing them into fights they may not want, simply because you think that's how the game is meant to be played. And then there's my way, which still has plenty of combat, but focuses on maximizing reputation and monetary gains over conflict. And at the end of the day...who ends up progressing further, faster? You, the PvPer? Or me, the Trader, Explorer, and Merchant?

@kermar-tutu said in Forced PVP = losing customers:

@rubinelle waw!!! what a pvp attitude you got there ? i had a simple question? do you like sea battles?

Since you're so enthusiastic, i'll answer you this way.
While I like to throw punches with everyone when it comes up, I prefer to not hunt down, bully, or harass other players, who are clearly just out to have a good time, if it will ruin THEIR experience. If they shoot first, I fire back. If they pass me by with a wave, I do the same. Simple as that.

So do I enjoy sea battles, yes. BUT, if that's all you see this game as, you might wanna look into Skull and Bones instead of Sea of Thieves. Probably a better fit for your mindset.

@kermar-tutu said in Forced PVP = losing customers:

@rubinelle said in Forced PVP = losing customers:

@kermar-tutu said in Forced PVP = losing customers:

@rubinelle waw!!! what a pvp attitude you got there ? i had a simple question? do you like sea battles?

Since you're so enthusiastic, i'll answer you this way.
While I like to throw punches with everyone when it comes up, I prefer to not hunt down, bully, or harass other players, who are clearly just out to have a good time, if it will ruin THEIR experience. If they shoot first, I fire back. If they pass me by with a wave, I do the same. Simple as that.

So do I enjoy sea battles, yes. BUT, if that's all you see this game as, you might wanna look into Skull and Bones instead of Sea of Thieves. Probably a better fit for your mindset.

• First... if im pioneer in that game.... that mean i past a lot of time playing it! and i love it ! its clearly not your point of view of the game... so saying i should be the one changing game?... maybe you better thinks again!
• Second... you say a lot of negative things about sea battle and you end up saying , yes!!???? you like sea battle? i actualy think its an aspect of the pirate life you dont like... sea battles... hunting... was actualy the main activity for a pirateS...

I love pirates since im a kid... and i love chest digging ... pirate atmosphere , pirate looks , karma, legends, treasure maps,... but sea battles was all time 50 percents of the most interesting part of the pirate history!!! the fear played by blackbeard... the sail full of blood done by calico jack, bony and read to make a ship surrender so much it look a devil ship... the marchant ship cargo stolen by black bart just in front of his wars vessels escorts without they realise it!! so bold!!!...
I mean that was , what it maked them famous!! their attitudes... their styles, ... and there is pirate like ed low... very cruel... to pirate like black sam. ( a prince )... sea of thieves is that !!! there is very agressive players... players like me... who go loot in island... look at ship around and if i fell he as lot of chest ... i got for it!!! stole his good even sometime without sinking them.... and go back to my trade compagny road!!... and there is player like lizaro up there who don t like pvp... but enjoy escaping and play nice to others... (once she seduce all my crew!!) they stop fighting.. and she win buy been nice attitude on the mike... even she was fighting back and not badly at all!!! that SoT!!! That experience and laugh we add would never occure in a pve server... if you just ungry on your mike... i assure you i will not work on others... role play a bit and it become very funny... screw the chest progression here, sometime play with other got more value in a pirate story and not just with your crew but specialy with other crews... it's delightfull , build stories, things to tell, your story, not just heavy farming!!! farming is good but get of the road ... , what if the story finish with good memory? ... ungry as you are you have to change your attitude even if you not the one who attack... you might be surprise how it work!! ;D

1. Your english needs work. I can barely understand what you say without a translator.

2. Don't generalize my opinions as wrong simply because I take a different view of the same thing YOU clearly enjoy.

3. Just because you've played a game a long time, doesn't mean you suddenly know everything. You being a pioneer means nothing to me, and makes you look like an a*s for trying to hold it over me.

4. PvP isn't for everyone, and isn't ENJOYED by everyone. Since you seem to think Sea of Thieves is STRICTLY a PvP game, then you might wanna convince those of us that think otherwise, which isn't going to happen.

5. Fighting in open world games like this often gets me nowhere. One person kills another, or misses killing another person, and all that time and effort could be spent doing something more beneficial. If you can't understand that, then you and I live in different worlds, and it should stay that way. Where you see fun, I see needless conflict getting in the way of MY gains. Deal with it...My method, in my opinion, is a more beneficial way to play the game between people. Doesn't make it wrong. If you SAY its wrong, then prove it some day. Spend your time doing exactly what you do, and tell me at the end of the day, who seems to have progressed further and is having an easier time getting anything done. You, or me? Think about it.

@kermar-tutu said in Forced PVP = losing customers:

@rubinelle said in Forced PVP = losing customers:

@kermar-tutu said in Forced PVP = losing customers:

@rubinelle waw!!! what a pvp attitude you got there ? i had a simple question? do you like sea battles?

Since you're so enthusiastic, i'll answer you this way.
While I like to throw punches with everyone when it comes up, I prefer to not hunt down, bully, or harass other players, who are clearly just out to have a good time, if it will ruin THEIR experience. If they shoot first, I fire back. If they pass me by with a wave, I do the same. Simple as that.

So do I enjoy sea battles, yes. BUT, if that's all you see this game as, you might wanna look into Skull and Bones instead of Sea of Thieves. Probably a better fit for your mindset.

• First... if im pioneer in that game.... that mean i past a lot of time playing it! and i love it ! its clearly not your point of view of the game... so saying i should be the one changing game?... maybe you better thinks again!
• Second... you say a lot of negative things about sea battle and you end up saying , yes!!???? you like sea battle? i actualy think its an aspect of the pirate life you dont like... sea battles... hunting... was actualy the main activity for a pirateS...

I love pirates since im a kid... and i love chest digging ... pirate atmosphere , pirate looks , karma, legends, treasure maps,... but sea battles was all time 50 percents of the most interesting part of the pirate history!!! the fear played by blackbeard... the sail full of blood done by calico jack, bony and read to make a ship surrender so much it look a devil ship... the marchant ship cargo stolen by black bart just in front of his wars vessels escorts without they realise it!! so bold!!!...
I mean that was , what it maked them famous!! their attitudes... their styles, ... and there is pirate like ed low... very cruel... to pirate like black sam. ( a prince )... sea of thieves is that !!! there is very agressive players... players like me... who go loot in island... look at ship around and if i fell he as lot of chest ... i got for it!!! stole his good even sometime without sinking them.... and go back to my trade compagny road!!... and there is player like lizaro up there who don t like pvp... but enjoy escaping and play nice to others... (once she seduce all my crew!!) they stop fighting.. and she win by been nice attitude on the mike... even she was fighting back and not badly at all!!! that SoT!!! That experience and laugh we add would never occure in a pve server... if you just ungry on your mike... i assure you i will not work on others... role play a bit and it become very funny... screw the chest progression here, sometime play with other got more value in a pirate story and not just with your crew but specialy with other crews... it's delightfull , build stories, things to tell, your story, not just heavy farming!!! farming is good but get of the road ... , what if the story finish with good memory? ... ungry as you are you have to change your attitude even if you not the one who attack... you might be surprise how it work!! ;D

I still love that some people confuse the pirate style of seas of thieves with real pirates. There is a whole word of difference between fantasy pirates and real pirates! They are nothing at all alike, this game is based on fantasy pirates. Just saying.

@jack0n333 said in Forced PVP = losing customers:

Yo its not sea of enjoyment its sea of thieves boy, and the way u discribe ur crew u guys were totally disorganise if ur not organise and serious u will sunk thats this game is serious

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wut...?

@cnt-thelrox

Is it unfair as well though to say that your experience as a founder is coloured by the relative calmness of a community that loves the game so much that you've gotten in early, and the general experience once the Beta was opened to the public is different?

@"huur sea of thieves not sea of_____"
Is such a stupid argument. You could use the same logic to say It's SEA of thieves not ISLANDS of thieves and demand they make the islands safe zones. I bet you'd be the first to shoot that down because it's a TITLE. Or are you upset that no man's sky had bits with no sky and star citizen has nothing to do with civics?

Also, and I know this will steam some people up

... has anyone SEEN the art style of this game? Or noticed how utterly... basic the PVP mechanics are? We could barely tell we were hitting the other players until they died when we fought them. It's such a weird mix of elements to be so 'hardcore' about PvP interactions being unavoidable (without crazy amounts of cat-and-mouse).

@firetadpole7469 Nice try , all the betas I went through offered more then basic content when doing a "stress test".How the hell can you "test" anything if all you do is give a tenth of the data that will be required to play the game w actually more ppl on it?
Even in the video they sent to have us bk at it , they clearly say that all they care bout is to see if the servers arent gonna crash when there is high activity!
So basically , Rare knows tons of things r not going the way its suppose to be , yet they barely have enough time to patch anything up less they push back the actual Launch.Such thinking boggles your mind?
A stress test puts server under maximum strain w as much parameters used to ascertain the game will be up and running when the time comes.
You dont obtain any viable data if all you test is the amount of logins w ten percent of your game active , while the real test is when all of its content is being run on a big scale!

So, this test wont change a thing for Day One and certainly wont chg the fact that this game, design to be fun is all but what it promises, regardless of expectations!

Oh, perhaps watching the devs interviews and promos will calm down a notch ppl claiming this is suppose to be like PUBG!Perhaps you will also see that this aint and wouldnt be the first game to crash on launch due to poor database management, server strain management and lack of PR!
Beta tests are also a free ride at PR , so ppl talk bout it and sell the game itself,
this aint happening w SOT , so regardless of changes, this game is already sunk! lol