PvE players trying to ruin the game

@chosen-predator said in PvE players trying to ruin the game:

I don't think there has to be a split server

Split server wouldn't be needed if the devs code the outposts to be enforced safe/cease fire zones and having one or two outposts marked as neutral/unguarded that way the skill-less campers can sit on a outpost all they want then it gives Rp'ers and PvE's as well as pvp'ers who need to go afk for a brief time a zone where they're not going to be harmed.

hell in other pvp mmo's quest hubs are guarded for a reason.

@lordblackwolf13 aye I agree with you I never have understood the mentality of what skill is there for 4 to gank 1 person. I play Wow and Archeage and run into that derp mentality alot in open world pvp ( I love PvP when its a fair fight) which is why my crew resorted to pvp in WoW's Arena and Rated Battlegrounds and well PvP on Archeage requires faction co ordination when going against pirates but will still run into griefers the plus side to Archage though was their law system.

Minute a griefer or pirate was killed and someone clicked their pool of blood and reported the murder and why the person was murdered that player was put into a server 'brig' and put on trial against a jury of players and the person would have to explain why they were in court. The whole server during jury duties would chip in to the jury on what the person had done if the pirate/griefer was notorious enough and the jury wasnt feeling lenient some of these people would suffer temporary bans of not being able to play that character for 2 or 3 days lol so the community had ways of punishing those who were a pain too much.

@Psych0-KnIghTrO The biggest problem right now is the devs and rare haven't given us any insight into if SoT is being aimed as being a mmo or a pvp battle royal like PUBG if its going to be the latter then it means many folks who dont care for being forced into pvp just wont play game, if on the other hand its being aimed as a full fledged mmo then they need to get pvp balance right for pve as well and easiest solution would be to set outposts as cease fire zones that'd keep the pve'ers and Rp'ers happy then sure minute your out in open waters your fair game again but im sure it wouldn't be hard to have npc canoneers set up on outpost islands that'd sink ships attacking ships coming or leaving their ports. There needs to be consequences for certain actions introduced and so far there is none which is welcoming a toxic part of the community many don't like .

PvP is fine as long as it is done well. The current state of PVP will result in poor gaming experience. When you team is killed off your enemy is then allowed to stay on your ship and spawn camp you. Spawn camping is a way to cause rage quitting, but on top of spawn camping your a target even before you can fully load in and start at half life. This is something that absolutely needs to be addressed. Maybe re spawn in the base of the ship where only team members are allowed to be. PVP is fine as long as it is fare.

@kendoroland The pvp portion of the game is poorly done and unbalanced. Cannons are not effective enough, team killed off in their boats can be spawn camped and damaged before they can re spawn. If changes are not made to the pvp side of the game the only targets for pvp will be other trolls.

We need both though. Some people want a PvE game. Why can't they have a PvE game without ruining yours? Just have PvE-only instances, problem solved.

@axsinisterxomen said in PvE players trying to ruin the game:

@roughmonkey0 Show me where it says it was always going to be open world sandbox PvP. I think you are pushing what you want it to be...go play Call of Duty, Rainbow Six, Battlefield, Overwatch, PUBG etc if you want strictly PvP...those games are and always been about the PvP. Sea of Thieves has PvP i do not think Rare intended that to be the only and primary mechanic in the game. If so....the servers of this game will be vacant and you'll see no one whilst playing with your friends, the seas will be empty. You push out all the PvE players half the population is gone.

I like PvE....i also enjoy PvP time to time...i should have the choice to do either or...You want PvP all the time go play a game that only allows PvP....Sea of Thieves allows solo play...and those players need more protection from griefers and full crews...if Rare fails to do so this game will slowly fade after launch i promise you. So many people want to enjoy the world Rare has created here without being chased and bombarded by others constantly after 10 mins in game. Even GTA V has a pacifist option.

The design of the game says that. I play solo and I outsail and outwit my attackers. You can play solo, but it is only recommended for experienced players...

@roughmonkey0 said in PvE players trying to ruin the game:

@linzadreamz said in PvE players trying to ruin the game:

@roughmonkey0 I don't know why you think it should ONLY be PvP.

I never said it should be only PvP. I to enjoy PvE content, but I want to enjoy that content in an open PvP world where I fear not only the skeletons/sharks but also fear getting ganked by real players.

I think without that fear this game would be boring. The quest system is basic at best, but with the added excitement of the chance of losing said loot to real players it makes it heart pounding fun.

No one is demanding you engage in a playstyle that you find boring. Most proponents of PvE just want their own sandbox to play in, yet many proponents of PvP (when they're not demanding we leave entirely) demand we remain in their world like we're hostages to their preference only. And let's be clear, any game where PvP isn't opt-in is PvP only. You're still subjected to PvP while enjoying that PvE content. That's still a PvP server you're on even though it may not be called that when it's the only server option.

On a humorous note, I think it's fascinating that I can just accept you're opinion that PvE is boring without telling you to get better at it. Different folks, different strokes.

@mrloadedpotato said in PvE players trying to ruin the game:

@roughmonkey0 said in PvE players trying to ruin the game:

@linzadreamz said in PvE players trying to ruin the game:

@roughmonkey0 I don't know why you think it should ONLY be PvP.

I never said it should be only PvP. I to enjoy PvE content, but I want to enjoy that content in an open PvP world where I fear not only the skeletons/sharks but also fear getting ganked by real players.

I think without that fear this game would be boring. The quest system is basic at best, but with the added excitement of the chance of losing said loot to real players it makes it heart pounding fun.

No one is demanding you engage in a playstyle that you find boring. Most proponents of PvE just want their own sandbox to play in, yet many proponents of PvP (when they're not demanding we leave entirely) demand we remain in their world like we're hostages to their preference only. And let's be clear, any game where PvP isn't opt-in is PvP only. You're still subjected to PvP while enjoying that PvE content. That's still a PvP server you're on even though it may not be called that when it's the only server option.

On a humorous note, I think it's fascinating that I can just accept you're opinion that PvE is boring without telling you to get better at it. Different folks, different strokes.

I'm all for a PVE server. Whatever shuts up the PVE crowd and preserves the game.
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I like what people are trying to say but many apparently aren't actually reading any threads because they don't get what people are asking for.

First, the compliment starts with the Dev blog and interviews from last years E3. This game was promoted as 'a world of adventure where you might run into other players.'

So even if this turns out to be a misrepresented game that's all PvP oriented, its a bad game. Unbalanced, no rewards, no challenge balancing, easy griefing mechanics, etc etc.

And it does come off as a little childish to just say We're Being Pirates, duh! Real pirates did have a code. Most would attack merchants and not each other. So why not a 'faction versus faction' or something similar? That's what people are asking.

At current the way the PvP works now, this is a bad Pirate themed PubG but with less rewards and incentives to play.

The PvE players you are talking about aren't trying to end PvP. They are trying to improve the over all game.

@mattydove74 Right! Imagine if this game was PvE only. It happens to many games that have only one or the other. Unfortunately it plays out the same every time. One group tells the other to pound sand as we're all very passionate about our games and how we want to experience them.

Plus, I think it's been said they'll be adding sea monsters to the game, along with the other content that isn't being showcased in the beta like the quest and faction variety. Add random encounters with ships of the dead and I believe a PvE server would be a blast all on its own. In my opinion, an unwelcomed PvP encounter during any of the above would ruin the solo or co-op experience for me while others may feel otherwise.

It's like, do people not understand that if they like something everyone else should like it too?

How about, if Rare added PvE servers. That way the PvP crowd can play their way and the PvE crowd can play their way.

No, no one thinks like that. Instead it's always 'git gud and play the game my way noob'

If I wanted an open world PvP Pirate game I would black BlackHawke, which makes an attempt to be balanced and fair. Op acts as if everygame is single player PvE carebears. Pretty much all games now are MP only, PvP only (because the Dev's dont have to make content or pay voice actors or a writer).

Almost every game has turned into PvP only, surival, open world and always online and GAMES AS A SERVICE.

This game has no chance, none, not when the community is this disgustingly, grotesquely entitled and toxic.

I almost forgot, internet + audience + anonymity + competition = Toxic

@thejakal222 said in PvE players trying to ruin the game:

@roughmonkey0 Question if not for the PvE players then who would gather chests? There would be literally no reason to sink other peoples ships if the PvE players left the game outside of dicking around with no purpose?

The PvP players PvE as well... The guys who are "PvP" players are playing the game as it was intended to be played; Its the "PvE" lot that are crying about Safety. I kill most ships on sight then continue gathering chests. Just because someone sees you and kills you doesn't mean the only thing their doing is hunting players.

And w*f do people keep comparing this Game to real pirate life... "Pirates wouldn't attack all the time cuz they would die" Durr. Really? I thought Jack Sparrow was a real guy and was immortal like when the moonlight hits him hes a skeleton. The "Be a pirate" explanation works perfectly for this game. Here's the reason "IF" pirates were immortal they "WOULD" attack everyone at will. But wait! Are pirates in this game immortal? By God I think they are! No wonder people are saying be a pirate.

@pocket-fox-au said in PvE players trying to ruin the game:

It's like, do people not understand that if they like something everyone else should like it too?

How about, if Rare added PvE servers. That way the PvP crowd can play their way and the PvE crowd can play their way.

No, no one thinks like that. Instead it's always 'git gud and play the game my way noob'

If I wanted an open world PvP Pirate game I would black BlackHawke, which makes an attempt to be balanced and fair. Op acts as if everygame is single player PvE carebears. Pretty much all games now are MP only, PvP only (because the Dev's dont have to make content or pay voice actors or a writer).

Almost every game has turned into PvP only, surival, open world and always online and GAMES AS A SERVICE.

This game has no chance, none, not when the community is this disgustingly, grotesquely entitled and toxic.

I almost forgot, internet + audience + anonymity + competition = Toxic

Its not git gud and play the game our way. Its git gud and play the game the way it was made. Not change it to fit how you wanna play. Funny thing is your calling OP and PvP players entitled but the only ones acting entitled are the people complaining about the PvP. Sounds like your arguing that you should be entitled to a few more PvE focused games my friend.

@moraden63 said in PvE players trying to ruin the game:

@kendoroland The pvp portion of the game is poorly done and unbalanced. Cannons are not effective enough, team killed off in their boats can be spawn camped and damaged before they can re spawn. If changes are not made to the pvp side of the game the only targets for pvp will be other trolls.

I have no problem with this comment in fact I support this exactly; Make a thread saying as much and ill up-vote it. This is an actual criticism of the game. Not change it to be safer. We can discuss this and ways to make the game better not just say REFUND WHERES MY REFUND!

@roughmonkey0

I've never understood this mentality. Unless the game is a complete flop, the community would be large enough to have both PvE and PvP servers. A player who prefers PvE in no way impacts your ability to play PvP. In fact, Rare could even encourage players to play PvP by offering higher chest pay outs due to the higher risk. The game's progression system is purely cosmetic so it's not like a player who prefers to play on PvE servers is gaining a significant advantage over you.

@thejakal222 Well there are several reasons for this.

1. The ship is unsinkable if 1 person is bailing. I've never been sunk if I'm alive on the ship.
   -simply stand right where the water line meets the way to throw water and boom you can never sink.
2. People still aren't that good at aiming the cannons yet.
   -some people can hit every shot others cant hit 1. If people don't know about #1 then the only way to sink the ship really is to hit them off the repair which requires really good aim. Or board them.
3. Its still the beta. Obviously Rare is looking at our comments and testing out what works. So if we talk about actual complaints like this one we may get a better more fun game.

Saying all this though I have killed plenty of ships without them being anchored but its not easy. You need to board them after you fire cannons. Or board them while your team is hitting cannon shots. You have to do this simultaneously. Killing 1 or 2 people will most of the time sink the ship. Forcing players to worry about you on the ship gives you enough time to distract from the bail.

@roughmonkey0 said

I never said it should be only PvP. I to enjoy PvE content, but I want to enjoy that content in an open PvP world where I fear not only the skeletons/sharks but also fear getting ganked by real players.

Then you don't truly enjoy PvE content... What you want is PvPvE.

I think without that fear this game would be boring. The quest system is basic at best, but with the added excitement of the chance of losing said loot to real players it makes it heart pounding fun.

First off, you are only looking at it from one side - the "rush" that comes from a potential threat at any given moment. However, you negate the opposite end - that you could be that potential threat to someone else. With this in mind, wouldn't it be an overall better system if it applied to those that actually wanted to participate in it? I mean, except hardcore cases, even PvP players might want to just enjoy the exploratory and social aspects of this game, without the fear of needing to always be on your toes.

From my view, this is what I see:

PvE players not asking to outright get rid of PvP, but just asking for some type of compromise or middle-ground, and PvP players responding with, f*** you, don't touch our PvP! With this mentality, the PvP community might ultimately wind up being the cause of their own demise, with their combative, dismissive attitudes and actions leading Rare to step in and say, "enough is enough," resulting in that middle-ground coming to fruition.

@h0rse PvE players are asking to get rid of PvP. For themselves. How does this effect PvP well.. PvP players don't always want to kill other PvP players. Its fun to chase a PvE player as they scramble to get the loot back to the outpost. Maybe sometimes you get a game where you wanna only hunt people as a PvP player and steal loot. Well thats out the window if a large portion of the PvE players are gone to other servers. Make PvE servers is not a good solution all it does is separate the player base. How about thinking up some solutions that give the PvE players a little more freedom without adding safe spaces and penalties to the PvP players cuz thats all im seeing.
Here ill start.
Make chests picked up by other players "claimed by them" which makes it so an enemy team that steals the chest gets half the gold value.
Make stolen chests appear on the map with an "x" where it was picked up. This will bring other PvP players to the area and again give PvE players more time to just PvE.

Personally I wouldn't want any of these but at least they would be a suggestion that doesn't alter the game by cutting its player base or ruin PvP.

@kendoroland said in PvE players trying to ruin the game:

@h0rse PvE players are asking to get rid of PvP. For themselves.

Then they aren't asking to outright remove are they? They are just asking to be able to opt out in participating. This can be done in a number of different ways. For those that want it, you can have all the PVP you want.

How does this effect PvP well.. PvP players don't always want to kill other PvP players. Its fun to chase a PvE player as they scramble to get the loot back to the outpost.

And when someone's "fun" comes at the expense of someone else's, then the mechanic is questionable at best...

Maybe sometimes you get a game where you wanna only hunt people as a PvP player and steal loot. Well thats out the window if a large portion of the PvE players are gone to other servers.

Uh, no, it's not "out the window," it's just that now all the people you are hunting are on board with PvP, yet even among them, you're not going to have everyone just wanting to hunt everyone else.

People can be in favor of PvP for different reasons, so even on a pure PvP server, there would still be trolls and griefers.

Make PvE servers is not a good solution all it does is separate the player base. How about thinking up some solutions that give the PvE players a little more freedom without adding safe spaces and penalties to the PvP players cuz thats all im seeing.

I offered a suggestion to this - a whole thread worth...
https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/24961/is-pvp-avoidable

I'm not asking for separate servers, but if the PvP community continues with this stubborn, aggressive attitude towards the PvE crowd or any criticism towards their precious PvP, desperate times might call for desperate measures. But in all honesty, shouldn't there be a penalty to PvP players vs PvE players, since they are the ones wanting to go hostile with other players?

Penalties to PvE players should be things like not having access to the higher rewards or perhaps certain areas altogether. Penalties to PvP players should be more "direct" or "personal" like you are banned from this outpost or lose this much gold/reputation.

Make chests picked up by other players "claimed by them" which makes it so an enemy team that steals the chest gets half the gold value.

lol, it's" claimed" by a player, yet can still be stolen and redeemed for a monetary reward...

how about you get no gold, but it still counts as progression towards the faction, or vice versa?

How about a player/crew needs to have possession of a chest for X amount of time before
it can be stolen? This would deter trolls from having players do all the work, and then stealing their just earned rewards. How about having outposts have guards, where PvP is still enabled, but will be met with consequence from NPC's?

I also think it's just the slightest bit reasonable to have outposts be safe zones, not just to deter from campers, but also to have some sort of worry-free social area.

Personally I wouldn't want any of these but at least they would be a suggestion that doesn't alter the game by cutting its player base or ruin PvP.

The only way you "ruin" PvP is by removing it... saying that you can "ruin" PvP by removing the players that don't even want to participate in it to begin with, is such a sadistic, selfish mindset.