Grinded 200 Bottles to Prove a Point

  • Hi.

    There is 1000 posts about Merchant Forager / Shipwright / Cast Iron / Black Powder commendations on this forum, but here is a new one since necro-posting is forbidden.
    I spent 40 hours grinding bottles to prove a point, here are screens and exact data of my findings:

    [mod removed - I don't have epilepsy but good grief, could that trigger it if I did]
    Here are the results out of 200 bottles since the video has been removed by mod:
    Merchant Contract 25/200 (12,5%)
    Breath of the Sea 37/200 (18,5%)
    Smuggler Run 49/200 (24,5%)
    Riddle 9/200 (4,5%)
    Treasure Map 25/200 (12,5%)
    Skeleton Captains 28/200 (14%)
    Skeleton Lord 8/200 (4%)

    Deliver Canonballs 3/200 (1,5%)
    Deliver Fruits 1/200 (0,5%)
    Deliver Keg 3/200 (1,5%)
    Deliver Wood 1/200 (0,5%)

    As everyone know here, the commendation cited earlier are pretty much undoable.
    When grinding 40 hours straight for bottles, and only bottles, I had, in TOTAL, 1 to 3 of each type of delivery voyage.

    Notes and Details

    • Farmed those bottles mostly in floating debris while doing miles for a stupid commendation (excuse the word, I cannot find any other noun for it).
    • Idk why, when you sail for a certain time on a given server (about 30 min), floating debris become a LOT more common (one pool every one or two minutes).
    • I farmed those bottles during four ~10h sessions (mostly mindlessly sailing around the map to get the 1000 miles commendation, which netted me around 300 miles). These screenshots are from these ~40 hours of miles/bottles grind.
    • Smugglers' Wrecks always have a Smugglers' Run voyage inside. Regular wrecks do not (they only have a random voyage maybe 50% of the time).
    • As many know, you can tell a bottle is a Heart of the Sea because of its blue shine color. There is no way to differentiate Smuggler Voyages from regular voyages from a distance.

    I think these merchant voyages have as much chances to spawn than the Skeleton Lord and Riddle voyages (already the rarest ones), but it is then sub-divided by 4 (canonballs / wood / fruits / keg).

    This issue has been preventing people from doing this commendation for 2 to 4 years, I don't remember exactly. The easy fix would be to multiply by 3 or 4 the chances to get voyages from standard green bottles (at least).

    Conclusion and Result Analysis
    I expect a normal player to get bottles at least 2 time slower than I did (since I actively farmed them), so around 80h of gameplay to get 200 bottles, for about 2 voyages on average.
    The commendation asks for 50 (for each of those voyages), so this is approximatively a 2000h (50/2 * 80) of in game time normal gameplay to finish those "simple" commendations in the current state of the game, assuming a player does every single of those voyage he comes across. However, I have 2500 hours and I have less than 20 of each, so I guess my calculations are very generous (truth is, most player get 2 or 3 bottles per session at most).

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  • So what you’re saying.
    Just play the game normally and don’t focus on certain commendations.
    Game got long life w d you as a player have a lot of time.
    Just enjoy it and all will come to you.

  • @burnbacon said in Grinded 200 Bottles to Prove a Point:

    So what you’re saying.
    Just play the game normally and don’t focus on certain commendations.
    Game got long life w d you as a player have a lot of time.
    Just enjoy it and all will come to you.

    You just heard from a player with 2,500 hours who had to hard grind a commendation to complete it.
    If passively completing it was a reasonable task (and also consider how much time you think a player should reasonable invest into a game for progress) shouldn't he perhaps have completed, or at least close to completed it?
    It doesn't seem like that's feasible with the stats provided.

  • I think Drew has already mentioned they are aware of this.
    Hopefully will be added to Captain's Table or maybe the merchants themselves.

  • We are waiting since season 10....

  • @tabaai said in Grinded 200 Bottles to Prove a Point:

    We are waiting since season 10....

    Merchant has been a problem since season 11, that's when they changed all the voyages.

  • @cpt-pxz I did not complete it, I have less than 25 of each with 2500h of gametime.

    My 40h 200 bottles grind netted me 1 to 3 of each kind. (out of 50 required), I would need to grind around 400 to 800h more doing only this to complete them.

  • @burnbacon At the rythme I progress those commendations (prioritizing those voyages above all, and not grinding bottles like I did there, just enjoying the game and taking what comes accross), I would need about 12500h of gametime.

    If you think this is reasonable and that it will "come to players" naturally, I think you're dellisional, more than 99% of players will never pass the 3000h of gameplay time in their life, wich is not even 1/4th of what this commendation requires.

    Well, there is the 5 shrouded ghost also, but this one is just there for the fluff and the legend.
    I don't think "delivering 50 crates of fruits" should be a legendary lifetime quest only a few lucky players should be able to complete in their lifetime.

  • I got all the Merchant bottle quests done last year. It is still possible, but it was brutal. The most optimal way I found of doing it was using a map containing mysterious journals of Snake Island and Crook's Hollow. I eventually learned all the locations and the quickest route to check all the possible spawn points. Gold Hoarder dive to one of the islands, check it for journals then sail to the other. The dive timer should be almost complete by the time you check both. Absolutely thrilling gameplay, I'm sure you'd agree.... I think my hit rate was about 1 in 10 or so.

    Even though I have spent the time to complete this, I'd be more than happy for it to be reworked. It currently just isn't that fun.

  • Did what I said, wasn't looking at back-to-back bottles; they were all merchant missions. Heck found a glitched journal with 3 on top of each other; they were all the same thing, go to same outpost.

    I swear, once they "fix" this once great grind because it taking to long and everyone finishes it...then the next complaint will be, you have nothing left to do because "completed everything"

  • @burnbacon I think you are confusing general Merchant Missions (12,5% chance) with Merchant Delivery missions (1% chance).

    As crazy as it sounds, I finished all gold hoarder, oder of souls, and (other) merchant commendations long ago (and hunter/reaper commendations a bit more recently with new seasonal contents).

    I only need those delivery mission now. It's been like this for several years even, these commendations are not progressing at all, and they are my absolute priority when I come across them, above Chest of Fortune, or any other loot stash.

    I would trade a 10m gold loot pile for one Fruit Crate Delivery voyage at this point, and this is not an overstatement.

  • @arias1101

    I feel so bad for people in your situation. I find myself wishing there was a separate section on the voyage board I could post merchant bottle missions I find. Years ago it was a parchment in the barrels and I just kept logging in and searching to do all mine. Why they removed these is beyond me. If I'm on and find any, I'll DM you.

  • @burnbacon said in Grinded 200 Bottles to Prove a Point:

    I swear, once they "fix" this once great grind because it taking to long and everyone finishes it...then the next complaint will be, you have nothing left to do because "completed everything"

    I know you've been around the Seas for a significant period of time, and respectfully, I think you're out of touch with just how large that grind is to somebody who hasn't been playing since the beginning.
    I share a similar amount of hours to Arias1101, I've really hard grinded almost everything in the game, and there are some comms I'm absolutely dreading/considering not attempting at all due to how laborious or unreasonable they are in a vacuum; And they certainly aren't ones you can do passively.
    I can understand how, to someone who has been here since the very early days of Sea of Thieves (and been consistently active) that commendations might seem to easy - if you're keeping up with content they may seem quite minimal, but I can assure you, the grind is no less great, and a lot of content has been added as time has gone on that the pile has just been getting higher and higher.
    It really comes down to that question of "How much time do you think is feasible per commendation/for a player to dedicate to a game before they should be able to reasonably make the most out of it?"
    Additionally, one thing I've certainly realized over the course of the seasons I've played which you might not have thought about it, is that there are several commendations, like these bottle quests, that have actually become much harder since their initial introduction, and don't get the proper attention from the development team due to being old content.

  • This why I enjoy this game so much. The randomness of it all. Some players spend days or months looking for something and never find them. While other people are lucky and find the very times even when the aren’t looking

    Truely amazing and players get upset over it.

  • @burnbacon I was there when those Delivery missions were available for all to purchase or find in barrels, I didn't do them back then (I was a new player and wasn't focusing commendations).

    Now they're just undoable, I already showed why with real tested data.

    To be clear, this is not about the grind, it is about not being able to even do it. It is litteraly faster and easier to grind 300 chest of fortune than 50 crates of fruits in the current state of the game, you will not gaslight me into thinking this is totally fair and made by design.

    It's forgotten. That's what it is.
    I currently know no way to even reliably find one crate delivery mission in less than 10 hour gameplay.

  • @burnbacon said in Grinded 200 Bottles to Prove a Point:

    This why I enjoy this game so much. The randomness of it all. Some players spend days or months looking for something and never find them. While other people are lucky and find the very times even when the aren’t looking

    Truely amazing and players get upset over it.

    I totally understand that some people - such as yourself, view this game entirely as a do-as-you-go sandbox experience, but you have to understand that there are plenty of people who are very task-oriented, and play because they have things to tick off in a checklist, and not an insignificant amount, either.
    The game has been going for 8 years now, and on some level the tasks need to be somewhat attainable to new players putting in the effort to grind; And as such I would again remind you that you are likely far above not only the average player in hours, but also likely the average experienced/dedicated player, and as such, your own experience is not relative to the current required grind.
    I've spent a lot of time with other completionists, and in my experience many would agree there's plenty of issues with the current state of a lot of old commendations.
    If those actively attempting to complete the game through hard grinding are struggling to do so, who exactly is expected to do it?

    If your answer is 'no one' then I don't know if we're going to reach any kind of agreement.

  • Why don't they solve this problem? So much time has passed, what are they waiting for?

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