Disappointed with Duke's shop

@pure-xreactions They specifically said they wouldn't do this- and here they are doing it.

I don't know why they do it.. but I suspect Rare gets pleasure out of rage baiting it's community.

It's like they are trying to run the game into the ground on purpose.

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Definitely they should have the "mark 2" version of the cosmetics. Like the grogmanay tankard has a variation each year that you earn it - If you have the OG version the mark 2 version will have differences - Or even have a dirty/rusted/scratched look to them. So you can buy the brand new shiny version, but the OGs have a worn down battled look since they've had it for so long. (8 years) in addition to the brand new looking one.

Like I have the mercenary sails from long ago- give me a soiled version that looks like it's seen many days at sea it's starting to fall apart. To preserve some of that story that our pirates are going to be missing out on.

Or your sniper (I missed out on that one.. and I ACCEPTED that fact that I missed out). Make a rusty version to pay respects to the pirate wielding it. Like this guy has been through it all.

Players complain it wasn’t fair. That all it took

@bleu-solo You forget the part where us OG players had them already, so now once again we will end up having lots left over as time goes on as they would need to be affordable for new players to buy so the blue coins will again eventually have no value to OG players

@bleu-solo said in [Disappointed with Duke's shop]

I thought Rare said that time-limited voyage based experience cosmetics were not making a return. Unfortunately Rare decided to make these rare cosmetics available to anyone, so now we'll see them everywhere. Nice way to devalue cosmetics veteran players earned years ago.

2 words: guild ships. Plenty of rare sails were devalued because of guilds specifically made for rare sails, also skin unlockers and pak files ruined that. Once again, they're just cosmetics, they don't prove that you're a veteran, the experiences do.

Ooooo let's put the Hat of Unfeasibly Glorious Fame in the shop!

You already have to pay for that lol

Why are you guys making so many changes that literally no one asked for, and no one would have been upset if you didn't do - but will be upset if you do?

Everybody asked for this? People do not like FOMO in a game heavily cosmetic-based. They also don't do it right, it doesn't make sense why cosmetics unlocked by a simple voyage are limited time. It should be like the Ashen Garrison Sails where you complete an entire act for a sail to show the effort you put forth for them.

@karminiumsot

2 words: guild ships. Plenty of rare sails were devalued because of guilds specifically made for rare sails, also skin unlockers and pak files ruined that. Once again, they're just cosmetics, they don't prove that you're a veteran, the experiences do.

Guild ships show the captains name when the owner of the ship is on board - you can differentiate between a guild boat and a player owned boat.

You mentioning "guild ships" is admitting the solution to the problem of not owning the cosmetics yourself.

Skin unlock players were banned years ago (and patched), and Pak files never gave the player a boat (it was on their client only not displayed for other players).

You already have to pay for that lol

You do not pay for that hat. It's unlocked through social media presence and was a jab at the fact that we're essentially devaluing what is an exclusive or limited thing.

People do not like FOMO in a game heavily cosmetic-based.

How can you FOMO something that happened 8 years ago. Also, this point just doesn't make any sense at all, because this weekender thing is 4 days long and then these cosmetics will be in the shop for a limited time. Essentially manufacturing the FOMO you are referring to because it is now time-limited (again).

To really fix the FOMO, they could instead make it so that from now on there will be no new time limited cosmetics. Unfortunately predatory game company practices make it so that FOMO drives engagement - you get players to play the game more by giving them something they'll miss out on if they don't.

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Alright, next Duke's shop refresh I'm thinking we add the Midnight Blunderbuss, and the Golden Banana Sails, let's throw in the Brave Vanguard sails too!

@bleu-solo said in Disappointed with Duke's shop:

Guild ships show the captains name when the owner of the ship is on board - you can differentiate between a guild boat and a player owned boat.

You saying guild ships is admitting the solution to the problem of not owning the cosmetics yourself.

I mean true but not true at the same time. You still rep the sails, people still see them on the ship.

Skin unlock players were banned years ago, and Pak files never gave the player a boat (it was on their client only not displayed for other players).

Due to Forum Rules, I can't say why you are wrong, but I can assure you skin unlockers still work.

You already have to pay for that lol

You do not pay for that hat. It's unlocked through social media presence and was a jab at the fact that we're essentially devaluing what is an exclusive or limited thing.

Humor is dead within the Sea of Thieves (also the hat really doesn't mean a lot nowadays, and blue hats have a pretty question reputation now)

How can you FOMO something that happened 8 years ago. Also, this point just doesn't make any sense at all, because this weekender thing is 4 days long and then these cosmetics will be in the shop for a limited time. Essentially manufacturing the FOMO you are referring to.

Things return to the black market, cosmetics are in rotation, they will rerelease at some point in time. Just like the majority of other games' shops and EXACTLY like the seapost shops

Alright, next Duke's shop refresh I'm thinking we add the Midnight Blunderbuss, and the Golden Banana Sails, let's throw in the Brave Vanguard sails too.

Commemorative cosmetics are not returning, can't confirm on here but i can say for certain there's no intention right now to release them.

People whining about missed time-limited cosmetics is equally entitled and obnoxious as if I now decided to spam Converse for not making shoes from the period before I was even born, because I found them looking cool.

Cringe as hell 😂

For example, I haven't bought SoT yet when Bonecrusher Figurehead was obtainable, and have 0 problem saying that I wasn't ever supposed to be able to obtain its original version. I simply wasn't even there lol. At best case, maybe only a reskin, but never the original.

Big Rare L.

@karminiumsot We're going to go back and forward in disagreement and neither one of us will take each other's side. You gave your feedback, I gave mine.

It's disappointing. I love these cosmetics - running into people that own them and people that own cosmetics that I don't have.
Now it's cheap garbage.

@bleu-solo said in Disappointed with Duke's shop:

Why are you guys making so many changes that literally no one asked for, and no one would have been upset if you didn't do - but will be upset if you do?

The 90% players who missed out asked for this.
https://www.seaofthieves.com/community/forums/topic/182240/remove-time-limited-events-items-reduce-fomo-practices/4
Pretty sure there are many MANY posts about this. If you had any sense for what people actually asked for, you should've known this. Search it up yourself.

What's the point of making content for only 1% of players?
Sea of exclusivity? So new players feel excluded and feel less invested in a game that they would never catch up on even with much effort, unless they spend real $$ buying old accounts?

And you complain about it being easily accessible now? Are doubloons easy to get?
Outside of the bilge rat weekender challengers and the 6 doubloon-related voyages, it takes 20 FotDs to get 500 doubloons - assuming on average u get 1 reaper chest per FotD. And even then, I'm more likely to get the new curse of ill omen first before getting any of those old cosmetics.

I think it is good that they made it harder/expensive for late players to get what old players previously received easily/freely. And keep adding new stuffs to keep incentivizing people to engage with in-game content.
*But of course I would appreciate a whole lot more VARIETY of things to do to get doubloons. Not just FotD and sailing to the edge of map for Reaper Chests.

They removed my 75k doubloons and added some rare cosmetics I already had

@rambobrad And added limited Fomo timed voyages to earn the new stuff, when some people could buy them straight away because their doubloons didn't get reset when they logged in.

And the only other way to get doubloons is 10 per reaper chest when I've already sold 300 for the commendations.

0 hype for OG players for this update

The update wiped veteran player's doubloon stash saying, "now you'll have stuff to buy", giving those veteran players the same stuff they already have, simultaneously devaluing the items they earned years ago.

Even if people asked for it - let them ask, and no one is mad.
Rerelease them - then you do have upset players.

Like I mentioned higher up in the post - There should have been some sort of mitigation. Such as, a distinction of the old items versus the new items. I'd have even taken a dirty version of the items. Something to preserve the story. It's awesome sharing the cosmetics simply by wielding or displaying on the ship and having players engage with that, or allowing it in a guild for friends.

Now I'm probably not even going to want to use any of those items I once loved. There's no more story. Many people making those posts may want the items because they are exclusive and they want to show them off, but once they have them they instantly lose that value.

Even still - the items are limited time (again) so there will be players that miss out on it. So it doesn't solve the issue of players missing out. It only takes a couple of minutes of thought to see the errors in all of this.

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Are we going to put Legendary Sea Dog and weapons in Duke's shop? Why not? It was limited time...
Are we putting Rare Crew Sails in the shop? Why not? A lot of players really want it.
Black dog pack? Why not? It was limited time just for buying the game..

When people say make Shrouded Ghost easier the argument is. "No that will devalue it. I don't want my title devalued." And that's how we don't get shrouded in the megalodon voyage or spawn rates to increase.

Why are they picking and choosing where the line is? Best to disappoint no one. Say you're going to release new cosmetics that are not time limited going forward and let the past items remain in the past. Then remain true to their word. They said they wouldn't do this, and here they are doing it. Why listen to the developers when they constantly lie and abuse us? Staying playing the game is like stockholm syndrome because they abuse you at every turn yet we stay because we love the game. Nothing ever gets fixed. They never stick to their word. Each update the servers get worse. Then wonder where your players have gone. I wish the servers would just go offline already if they're just going to murder the game like this. Incredibly sad.